OC and DC replacement discussion

[KrAzY3]

Right now, for all we can tell, the issue has nothing to do with the NCAA or even the University, proper. The HC decides if we're in the market for a new DC and Saban has said nothing that leads me to believe we're going to see any change on that side of the ball.

Well...

The local I talked to said she saw Golding wasted a couple Fridays ago. She didn't even remember his name, but brought him up when I mentioned coordinators. This is after the previous "rumored" incident and now apparently there are people that have to go out with him to try to keep him in line.

If he's the future of the defense then we probably saw the last championship for a while.

 

[81usaf92]

Auburn also hired Bruce Pearl... and they paid Cam Newton... and as far as I'm aware there has been no repercussions for any of that.

I understand your point, but we're well past a point in time in which the NCAA or fear of them should really dictate anything. Texas A&M bought their class. Auburn has Bruce Pearl and Hugh Freeze, and we're worried about what the NCAA might think of Alabama if they hire Pruitt?

Also I will point out that there was documented proof that Fluker had improper benefits in the range of tens of thousands of dollars. Nothing happened presumably because if you go after the guy that used to be homeless for buying furniture for his family it looks bad.

This is not the same old NCAA and they shouldn't hold power over the program. The NCAA is nearly meaningless at this point.

Besides... post Saban years will probably suck anyway. Go for the championship, do what Auburn did, which is basically call the NCAA's bluff. They got a trophy for it, and no punishment. They got a successful basketball program. But you should go for the trophy and sort the rest out later. The lack of a dominating defense has cost of one or two of those already in my opinion.

Okay, but what Texas A&M did was above board because it was through a collective of boosters, but what Jeremy Pruitt did wasn’t because he did it directly himself. I don’t think you are grasping the difference. Coaches and universities can’t directly buy players. And the NCAA is itching for a reason to hit a huge program with a massive penalty to show that they have power still.

Freeze’s case was the ncaa just getting revenge for being unable to prove he paid Treadwell, Tunsil, and Nkemdiche after him and Ole Miss dared them to find the evidence. They know darn well had Houston Nutt’s lawyer not come up with the escort hotline in the leo case then they wouldn’t have got Ole Miss with anything. So really Freeze is not someone that the NCAA has dead to rights like you think. They really got lucky other stuff popped out during a lawsuit with a former coach.

Pearl… fine, but let’s pretend Auburn truly cares about basketball like they do football. Auburn would go on probation for 10 years to beat Alabama in 3 of those 10 years in football. So it’s really not the same when comparing Alabama and Auburn.


Hiring Pruitt is an extreme gamble at this point. Yes it could instantly improve our defense but it could also doom our athletic department because it would undoubtedly lead to compliance coming in. So if we do it we better not miss and then get caught. Despite what many want to believe… not everything Alabama does is above board… which no team in the country who wishes to be competitive does everything above board. But that doesn’t mean you invite the hound dogs to campus to sniff around…

 

[selmaborntidefan]

. He probably should have taken a bad compromise to leave with some money and been done

That's what my lawyer advised me in my divorce hearing........

 

[KrAzY3]

Okay, but what Texas A&M did was above board because it was through a collective of boosters, but what Jeremy Pruitt did wasn’t because he did it directly himself. I don’t think you are grasping the difference. Coaches and universities can’t directly buy players. And the NCAA is itching for a reason to hit a huge program with a massive penalty to show that they have power still.

Freeze’s case was the ncaa just getting revenge for being unable to prove he paid Treadwell, Tunsil, and Nkemdiche after him and Ole Miss dared them to find the evidence. They know darn well had Houston Nutt’s lawyer not come up with the escort hotline in the leo case then they wouldn’t have got Ole Miss with anything. So really Freeze is not someone that the NCAA has dead to rights like you think. They really got lucky other stuff popped out during a lawsuit with a former coach.

Pearl… fine, but let’s pretend Auburn truly cares about basketball like they do football. Auburn would go on probation for 10 years to beat Alabama in 3 of those 10 years in football. So it’s really not the same when comparing Alabama and Auburn.


Hiring Pruitt is an extreme gamble at this point. Yes it could instantly improve our defense but it could also doom our athletic department because it would undoubtedly lead to compliance coming in. So if we do it we better not miss and then get caught. Despite what many want to believe… not everything Alabama does is above board… which no team in the country who wishes to be competitive does everything above board. But that doesn’t mean you invite the hound dogs to campus to sniff around…

Of course I'm grasping the difference, I'm the one that said this would happen if we allowed NIL. What I'm saying though is that the NCAA is basically worthless now and letting them influence things going forward makes little sense.

Are we worried for instance that Alabama gets caught paying players with the NCAA snooping around? When we can now funnel every penny through boosters legitimately? What's the downside here? What precisely could the NCAA uncover? You don't even need to do what Pruitt did anymore so what are we worried about exactly?

Let me put it this way. If Alabama gets caught paying players going forward it would only be due to an insane amount of stupidity. Boosters can pay players right in front of the NCAA's face and they can't do anything about it.

 

[81usaf92]

Of course I'm grasping the difference, I'm the one that said this would happen if we allowed NIL. What I'm saying though is that the NCAA is basically worthless now and letting them influence things going forward makes little sense.

Are we worried for instance that Alabama gets caught paying players with the NCAA snooping around? When we can now funnel every penny through boosters legitimately? What's the downside here? What precisely could the NCAA uncover? You don't even need to do what Pruitt did anymore so what are we worried about exactly?

Let me put it this way. If Alabama gets caught paying players going forward it would only be due to an insane amount of stupidity. Boosters can pay players right in front of the NCAA's face and they can't do anything about it.

Well Pruitt has done some insanely stupid things, and we knew that when he took the job at Tennessee as their 23rd choice…. Also his first real mentor in coaching was Rush Propst… you know someone who has every advantage in coaching but still finds the need to break the rules in an epically stupid way.

My point is the judgement of Pruitt from late 2017-present really makes you wonder if he is really worth the risk of the program. Yes the man knows defense (it’s indisputable) but he also knows stupid off the field decision making as well. I think we can do better than Pruitt and not have the NCAA breathing down our neck waiting for a chance to make an example of us.

Either way there needs to some change somewhere. I just don’t buy the “well auburn did that so we should do this” stance. If Pruitt comes back there are probably conditions, and I suspect it’s not going to be as cozy as it once was for him. Just my 2 cents.

 

[KrAzY3]

If Pruitt comes back there are probably conditions, and I suspect it’s not going to be as cozy as it once was for him. Just my 2 cents.

For the record I'm fine with that idea. In fact I stated elsewhere my ideal scenario would be another proven DC with Pruitt as an analyst.

But... from what I've heard, and seen. I just do not see the path forward as being with Golding calling plays (unless he has a lot of help), not a path to future championships at least.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Let me put it this way. If Alabama gets caught paying players going forward it would only be due to an insane amount of stupidity. Boosters can pay players right in front of the NCAA's face and they can't do anything about it.

Never underestimate stupid.

 

[CrimSonami]

Hiring Pruitt? As in you just don't like the guy or have a problem with a successful defense? I 'm just trying to figure out precisely what you're going for here.

I'm just saying that Alabama should tell the NCAA to take a hike and hire who is best for success, not who the NCAA wants.

"What I'm going for here" primarily is NOT being like that cesspool in East Alabama!

I'm a Pruitt defense fan, like most here, but hiring him with a "Show Cause" hanging over his head and "flipin' da bird" to the NZAA is invitation for those that really do want to be the cause for Bama's demise to start rapid firing with any and everything they have. It's an absolute stupid maneuver IMO.

 

[The Ols]

Right now, for all we can tell, the issue has nothing to do with the NCAA or even the University, proper. The HC decides if we're in the market for a new DC and Saban has said nothing that leads me to believe we're going to see any change on that side of the ball.

If that's the case...and it does appear that our Broyles Award Finalist DC is staying around, I love the idea of Pruitt as an analyst.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

The next census would show a doubling in the number of prostitutes in Lee County.

Did Freeze bring his posse with him...?

 

[The Ols]

Did Freeze bring his posse with him...?

…read it slowly friends!!!

 

[BamaMoon]

Auburn also hired Bruce Pearl... and they paid Cam Newton... and as far as I'm aware there has been no repercussions for any of that.

I understand your point, but we're well past a point in time in which the NCAA or fear of them should really dictate anything. Texas A&M bought their class. Auburn has Bruce Pearl and Hugh Freeze, and we're worried about what the NCAA might think of Alabama if they hire Pruitt?

Also I will point out that there was documented proof that Fluker had improper benefits in the range of tens of thousands of dollars. Nothing happened presumably because if you go after the guy that used to be homeless for buying furniture for his family it looks bad.

This is not the same old NCAA and they shouldn't hold power over the program. The NCAA is nearly meaningless at this point.

Besides... post Saban years will probably suck anyway. Go for the championship, do what Auburn did, which is basically call the NCAA's bluff. They got a trophy for it, and no punishment. They got a successful basketball program. But you should go for the trophy and sort the rest out later. The lack of a dominating defense has cost of one or two of those already in my opinion.

This reeks of desperation!

Just because others go low doesn't mean we should (and I say that knowing no program, including Bama, is pure as the driven snow).

 

[BearFoot]

Did Freeze bring his posse with him...?

Freeze has a direct line to the posse

 

[Stephen77]

Pull some idiot out of the stands who scored four TDs in one game for Polk High.
He couldn't do any worse than Clueless Bill.

 

[BamaHoops]

Question: We've seen CNS light up Gol*ing a few times on the sidelines the past couple of years.

Has he lit into BOB like that? Could it be a factor that BOB is closer to his age?

I'd kinda like to see OLD CNS has a younger OC that he could light up a few times a game when they do something stupid. But BOB is in the box drinking diet coke with his hat turned backward like he's out on a Sunday drive. Don't get it.

Hard to scream at BOB when he's in the press box and Saban is on the field. But BOB is gone within a few days after the bowl game. Saban doesn't want him anymore, and BOB hates coaching college, wants to return to pros.

 

[The Ols]

Hard to scream at BOB when he's in the press box and Saban is on the field. But BOB is gone within a few days after the bowl game. Saban doesn't want him anymore, and BOB hates coaching college, wants to return to pros.

I’m OK with that…

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

If that's the case...and it does appear that our Broyles Award Finalist DC is staying around, I love the idea of Pruitt as an analyst.

I can't understand why he'd be retained when his defenses were substandard, but Bama wont win an NC unless the offense blows everyone off the field.............I don't know what Saban sees in him, but the juice aint worth the squeeze

 

[The Ols]

I can't understand why he'd be retained when his defenses were substandard, but Bama wont win an NC unless the offense blows everyone off the field.............I don't know what Saban sees in him, but the juice aint worth the squeeze

Statistically his numbers were pretty dang good…he held all but one SEC opponent below there scoring average…had the 4th hardest schedule yet maintained top 10, and in a lot of cases top 5 defensive statistics nationally. The quote I read had something to do with him being much more revered in the coaching culture than in that of Bama fans.
CNS and the rest of the coaching world vs what I think? Hmmmm…
Edit: He is a Broyles Award Finalist. That’s amongst all coordinators on both sides of the ball in all of the FBS.I know that was mentioned earlier, but it’s pretty relevant here…

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Right now, for all we can tell, the issue has nothing to do with the NCAA or even the University, proper. The HC decides if we're in the market for a new DC and Saban has said nothing that leads me to believe we're going to see any change on that side of the ball.

We shall see.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

You know what needs to be banned? Bringing back former bama players to coach team....