OC and DC replacement discussion

[4Q Basket Case]

gotcha, and agree that it's likely Saban will look for someone who is still pretty much "pro-style" in their approach. My real intention was to say that 'pro-style' can really look very different, from guys like Kiffin and Sark, to Daboll and now BOB. All pro-style, but still all very, very different.

I'm somewhat torn on the assessment of the OL. While we certainly had some holes and the overall talent was not what it was in 2020 for sure, I truly believe several things directly attributable to the OC made the situation way worse than it should have been.

1. We consistently ran the play clock down to under 5 seconds before getting the snap off due to slow communications down to the field. that means there is almost no advantage to the OL of the DL not knowing the snap count, AND gives the DL more time to recover between plays.
2. The overall breadth of the playbook made the schematics of defending us easy. i.e. the other team knew what we are going to do, so could align in the best possible way to try to stop it.
3. Our passing game didn't leverage the short and intermediate routes that would get the ball out of the pocket quickly. We had a lot of long developing routes that required the OL to hold their blocks for a long, long time, and then often, the WRs (except for JAMO and Waddle) couldn't get open since the D knew exactly what the route tree was and sat and waited for where guys were supposed to try to break open), so the OL had to hold even longer as Bryce did Bryce things to make magic happen

Great explanation.

It would also augur for Kingsbury or someone like him, provided he can also develop the physicality we currently lack.

 

[CB4]

It seems he won... too much?

At the wrong time?

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

Sand Aggies' offensive stats from Kingsbury's HC tenure don't do much for me. 2015 and 2016 were the Mahomes years, after which Tech regressed to the mean...

Year	Team	"Scoring Offense" FBS Ranking
2013	Texas Tech	23rd
2014	Texas Tech	55th
2015	Texas Tech	2nd
2016	Texas Tech	5th
2017	Texas Tech	23rd
2018	Texas Tech	16th

 

[BamaMoon]

It's posted on the coaching carousel thread but Patricia is out as Pat's OC.

The first piece to fall!

 

[JustNeedMe81]

KK isn't a good fit for Alabama. He would want to run his own offense. I dont' think he can come in and coach within Bama system He'll be little restricted, but if He does come to alabama, Milroe would be the one benefit from him the most. TY Simpson, not so much. It has to be OC that both can benefit from.

 

[BamaInBham]

KK isn't a good fit for Alabama. He would want to run his own offense. I dont' think he can come in and coach within Bama system He'll be little restricted, but if He does come to alabama, Milroe would be the one benefit from him the most. TY Simpson, not so much. It has to be OC that both can benefit from.

I agree completely with the first part of your post, OTOH, I think Simpson would benefit as much or more than Milroe. In reality, I think it's irrelevant because IMO, it would be more than a shock if Kingsbury showed up at Alabama. Offensive and football philosophy, his personality and life-style all seem to be a bad fit.

 

[JDCrimson]

I would not be surprised to hear that Schumann is calling the defense in the boundaries set by Kirby. Given how much jumping around walking on the field between plays and talking on the headset Kirby does, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the primary playcaller on defense. You have Muschamp as co-DC. I would tell you they have DC by cmte even more than we do.

I think we should be a little prudent before start jumping on Schumann as the next defensive savant...

 

[JDCrimson]

The psychology of your team begins and ends with running the football and stopping the run. We got away from that core philosophy a few years ago.

 

[BJ4TIDE]

I would not be surprised to hear that Schumann is calling the defense in the boundaries set by Kirby. Given how much jumping around walking on the field between plays and talking on the headset Kirby does, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the primary playcaller on defense. You have Muschamp as co-DC. I would tell you they have DC by cmte even more than we do.

I think we should be a little prudent before start jumping on Schumann as the next defensive savant...

I would be surprised if it is not Will Muschamp (Co-defensive coordinator with Schumann) who is calling plays, but I think it would be worth it to give Schumann a shot, after seeing that Georgia D the last two seasons.

 

[Lucky Jack]

I think we should be a little prudent before start jumping on Schumann as the next defensive savant...

In that sentence, does savant mean the same thing as coordinator?

 

[JDCrimson]

The next prodigy, solution to our problems, whatever you want to call it. CGS is not orchestrating the defense by himself. And if he came here he likely wouldnt be doing thst here either. They learned that from Saban. Those apples have not fallen far from the tree.

In that sentence, does savant mean the same thing as coordinator?

 

[RammerJammer14]

Well, since our season has been over for a week and a half, the NC game is over, all of college football is over, and there’s still hasn’t been a single peep about possible Alabama coaching changes, I feel like this just isn’t happening. Just lots of disgruntled fan wish casting.

I need some sunshine pumpers. If we are going to shuffle coaches, when should we expect to hear about it? After O’Brien’s contract end date? After Feb signing day? After spring practice? What gives?

 

[81usaf92]

Well, since our season has been over for a week and a half, the NC game is over, all of college football is over, and there’s still hasn’t been a single peep about possible Alabama coaching changes, I feel like this just isn’t happening. Just lots of disgruntled fan wish casting.

I need some sunshine pumpers. If we are going to shuffle coaches, when should we expect to hear about it? After O’Brien’s contract end date? After Feb signing day? After spring practice? What gives?

I will say Bill Obrien is gone. However its unclear if he is just waiting for the Bucs to end their season or he is interviewing for a HC position (these take time) and seeing what he can potentially get before accepting an OC position.

Pete Golding.... I really dont know. I think its hard to separate rumor from credible information. I think many Alabama fans have convinced themselves that sense Auburn got Freeze that it opens up the door for Pruitt. And rumor after rumor about Pruitt has made their ways to many Bama boards. One thing I do know is that Pruitt has a big mouth and is very egotistical. So I can buy him talking to former players, but actually having a job at Alabama in the works I really dont know. But much of the 'Golding is gone" came from a few posters on other sites spreading that rumor.

As for Golding to Ole Miss.... Who really knows. Kiffin hired Durkin so there really isnt anyone who he wouldnt hire at this point. But again many of these rumors spread like wildfire from a few people online and many Bama fans want it so bad to be true that they accept it as gospel and start spreading it themselves without really understanding where it is coming from.

If I was to guess I would say BoB is 100% gone from WHO has said it. Just gotta wait. Golding i would put at 51% with the extra 1% because Im a little more optimistic early in the year.

 

[bamaga]

Dean Pees just retired in Atlanta, Pete Golding to Atlanta? Lets make that happen.

 

[Tideflyer]

Well, since our season has been over for a week and a half, the NC game is over, all of college football is over, and there’s still hasn’t been a single peep about possible Alabama coaching changes, I feel like this just isn’t happening. Just lots of disgruntled fan wish casting.

I need some sunshine pumpers. If we are going to shuffle coaches, when should we expect to hear about it? After O’Brien’s contract end date? After Feb signing day? After spring practice? What gives?

I would think that coaching/coordinator changes would need to be made before spring ball. But what do I know?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I will say Bill Obrien is gone. However its unclear if he is just waiting for the Bucs to end their season or he is interviewing for a HC position (these take time) and seeing what he can potentially get before accepting an OC position.

Pete Golding.... I really dont know. I think its hard to separate rumor from credible information. I think many Alabama fans have convinced themselves that sense Auburn got Freeze that it opens up the door for Pruitt. And rumor after rumor about Pruitt has made their ways to many Bama boards. One thing I do know is that Pruitt has a big mouth and is very egotistical. So I can buy him talking to former players, but actually having a job at Alabama in the works I really dont know. But much of the 'Golding is gone" came from a few posters on other sites spreading that rumor.

I think your reasons for O'Brien not being gone yet are exactly right. O'Brien talks in the NFL went from going back to the Patriots to Tampa Bay being interested as their OC, to now possibly getting a HC gig. So yeah, that all makes sense. But one thing that isn't rumor, is the NFL (in some capacity) has real interest in O'Brien. These reports are coming from the NFL Network and the reporters who frequent that show and most of them do not report things like that where the only place they read it was on an internet message board.

Regarding Petey G, I still believe he isn't going anywhere and will remain the DC.

 

[RWTT11]

I will say Bill Obrien is gone. However its unclear if he is just waiting for the Bucs to end their season or he is interviewing for a HC position (these take time) and seeing what he can potentially get before accepting an OC position.

Pete Golding.... I really dont know. I think its hard to separate rumor from credible information. I think many Alabama fans have convinced themselves that sense Auburn got Freeze that it opens up the door for Pruitt. And rumor after rumor about Pruitt has made their ways to many Bama boards. One thing I do know is that Pruitt has a big mouth and is very egotistical. So I can buy him talking to former players, but actually having a job at Alabama in the works I really dont know. But much of the 'Golding is gone" came from a few posters on other sites spreading that rumor.

As for Golding to Ole Miss.... Who really knows. Kiffin hired Durkin so there really isnt anyone who he wouldnt hire at this point. But again many of these rumors spread like wildfire from a few people online and many Bama fans want it so bad to be true that they accept it as gospel and start spreading it themselves without really understanding where it is coming from.

If I was to guess I would say BoB is 100% gone from WHO has said it. Just gotta wait. Golding i would put at 51% with the extra 1% because Im a little more optimistic early in the year.

Boy if that third paragraph doesn't fit the times we're living in, nothing does!

 

[81usaf92]

I think your reasons for O'Brien not being gone yet are exactly right. O'Brien talks in the NFL went from going back to the Patriots to Tampa Bay being interested as their OC, to now possibly getting a HC gig. So yeah, that all makes sense. But one thing that isn't rumor, is the NFL (in some capacity) has real interest in O'Brien. These reports are coming from the NFL Network and the reporters who frequent that show and most of them do not report things like that where the only place they read it was on an internet message board.

Regarding Petey G, I still believe he isn't going anywhere and will remain the DC.

My issues with BoB are more that he isn’t a good college offensive coordinator. I think he gets slightly more credit than he deserves for his time with Brady and probably far more criticism than he deserves for Houston. But overall he is a well thought of NFL guy.

 

[BamaHoops]

Just my opinion - BoB will be in NFL within the next few weeks. Golding is not going anywhere. Saban would never have praised him last month if he Golding was about to be dumped.

And folks - this isn't my opinion - it is a fact - *IF* - Golding leaves this year the replacement will NOT be Pruitt or Demeco. Those options are pure nonsense. WILL NOT HAPPEN.

 

[Tide&True]

So many parallels