Who’s leading QB1 race in FALL practice?

[BamaInCummingGA]

This is where I disagree a bit. I have no idea where our QBs stand in the other areas you mentioned, and I agree that there is a minimal threshold to meet in each category in order to be a starting QB for Alabama. However, and perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, I think there is a very large gap between Milroe and the rest of the group in terms of running ability. While I think they might all have ability in this area, I don't think it can be dismissed how much more Milroe's ability is greater than the rest and the added dimension that provides. Milroe can legitimately run away from DBs. Buchner is probably the 2nd best runner, but I don't think he's close to the homerun ability that Milroe provides.

You are correct that Milroe's running can't negate a deficiency in passing, decision making, ball security, but I have no clue where each of the QBs stack up against one another in those other areas. I'm just saying this is a strength Milroe has that I don't think should just be treated as equal to the others.

All the running ability in the world ain't gonna mean squat against a 9 man defensive front.

I don't care which one can run like a gazelle. Gazelles are frequently taken by prides of lions even though they can run faster.

I don't need a superstar at qb. I need someone who can process info on the field, pass accurately and be a leader. I don't need a happy steps under center.

 

[Bubbaloo]

Not at all.

1. The gap between Milroe and Simpson as runners is not a chasm.
2. The threat of the pass is necessary to sustaining drives against teams with similar talent. NFL stats indicate the most successful 3-play combinations to getting a first down all involve passing on one the first two downs.

Agreed sir...a passing game IS necessary in today's game.
I do believe there is a chasm in the running ability of the two as well as physical maturity for a slogfest with the upcoming schedule.
My only point was that we would know the starter should our game go back to the 3 yards and a cloud of dust days.

 

[CoolBreeze]

Milroe starts vs MTSU
Ty plays a lot
Bama rolls

Milroe starts vs UT
Milroe has 2 TOs
Ty replaces
Bama rolls

Ty starts game 3 and struggles
Milroe comes in
Bama rolls

Tend to agree that Milroe will start unless Simpson just kills it tomorrow. Even then, I believe the coaches will go with the more veteran guy until he starts making mistakes.

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

All the running ability in the world ain't gonna mean squat against a 9 man defensive front.

I don't care which one can run like a gazelle. Gazelles are frequently taken by prides of lions even though they can run faster.

I don't need a superstar at qb. I need someone who can process info on the field, pass accurately and be a leader. I don't need a happy steps under center.

I get what your saying but A defense would be stupid to have a 9-man front. You're basically asking for a tight end to get left wide open for an easy pass that a kindergartener could make.

I also think pre snap motion on running attacks tend to combat defenses loading the box. In the 2022 notre dame vs Clemson game. Clemson was so out of place due to how effectively Notre dame was doing pre snap motion stuff that it didn't matter how many people they loaded the box with. A hole would always open up.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

I get what your saying but A defense would be stupid to have a 9-man front. You're basically asking for a tight end to get left wide open for an easy pass that a kindergartener could make.

I also think pre snap motion on running attacks tend to combat defenses loading the box. In the 2022 notre dame vs Clemson game. Clemson was so out of place due to how effectively Notre dame was doing pre snap motion stuff that it didn't matter how many people they loaded the box with. A hole would always open up.

9 man front was being a little fecetious (sp?) to make a point.

however, a 7 man front would not be out of the question when you have a qb who can't consistently pass accurately.

 

[BamaMoon]

Milroe starts vs MTSU
Ty plays a lot
Bama rolls

Milroe starts vs UT
Milroe has 2 TOs
Ty replaces
Bama rolls

Ty starts game 3 and struggles
Milroe comes in
Bama rolls

You had me right up until the smiley face.

Actually, although it might not be ideal something along those lines could happen.

If neither separates against MTSU, I think the starter of the UT is at a disadvantage to a degree, because if we struggle for long with him at QB, CNS can't wait too long to yank him.

 

[CajunCrimson]

You had me right up until the smiley face.

Actually, although it might not be ideal something along those lines could happen.

If neither separates against MTSU, I think the starter of the UT is at a disadvantage to a degree, because if we struggle for long with him at QB, CNS can't wait too long to yank him.

I totally believe it could happen. The smiley face was more about how funny it will be to read these message boards if that happens

 

[Power Eye]

All the running ability in the world ain't gonna mean squat against a 9 man defensive front.

I don't care which one can run like a gazelle. Gazelles are frequently taken by prides of lions even though they can run faster.

I don't need a superstar at qb. I need someone who can process info on the field, pass accurately and be a leader. I don't need a happy steps under center.

My point is that all else being equal, Milroe’s running ability can’t be ignored. I have no clue where he compares to the other QBs in all other aspects of the position.

 

[Probius]

All the running ability in the world ain't gonna mean squat against a 9 man defensive front.

I don't care which one can run like a gazelle. Gazelles are frequently taken by prides of lions even though they can run faster.

I don't need a superstar at qb. I need someone who can process info on the field, pass accurately and be a leader. I don't need a happy steps under center.

Agreed 100%. The most important aspects for a QB take place between the ears.

 

[JDCrimson]

I always thought that Mac looked and played like an Alabama QB, a gifted game manager, like a surgeon, with an excellent supporting cast around him. More so than Hurts, Tua, or Bryce.

That is some awesome film right there. He went on to have the greatest season in Tide History. I am old and grateful to have witnessed. But it is ok to admit that passes thrown behind running backs in the red zone that end up being TD’s for the other teams are bad passes. He had very good moments against Auburn as well. Would you consider Mac Jones one of the greatest tide qb’s or an over achiever, or a kid who lived up to expectations?

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Here is a take from a famous insider


Thinking back over all the QB battles through the years, I don't recall one with so many differing opinions. Just over the last week I've spoken with former Alabama players and with former coaches (not including internet QB gurus), some with NFL backgrounds, and I've received varying responses on the current QB race.

Last week one told me that Tyler Buchner protected the ball and managed the offense best. Another said that Ty Simpson was having the best practices. Others said that Jalen Milroe clearly had the best scrimmage and was the one taking on the leadership role best.

This morning I got a message from a former longtime NFL player that said that Milroe has looked good, but that that was mostly due to "being put in advantageous situations set up for him to have success." The source went on to say that Ty has had very good practices but for whatever reason didn't carry it to the scrimmage.

Bottom line: It sounds like Milroe has a slight edge headed down the stretch of camp, and I do think that Milroe is most likely to start to the Middle Tennessee game. But a big scrimmage is coming up.

With that said, I spoke to another very respected source this morning who said that the one thing that has jumped out to him about the team in camp is that the practices are much more physical than they've been the last few years. The source said that this has the look of a very physical team.

I hope we are physical on both sides of the ball.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

I think this season will be similar to 2016 when Jalen Hurts was a true freshman and had a lot of growing ahead of him. I don't know who will be the starting QB, but whoever it is will not be what we have come to expect over the last few years. The team is going to lean hard on the running game and the defense and there won't be as much pressure on the QB, whoever that is.

I don't see it that way. I see a team that's not a passing threat, facing a 8 or 9 man front. I don't like that...
Since lots of TideFans like Milroe for the job, I hope for all of our sakes that offseason practice with our often fumble fingered Receivers pays off. If Simpson becomes the guy I hope he has less turnovers... Milroe and Simpson were not really ready when we called on them last year.
Whoever our QB is, I hope we work our #2 QB real hard and have them ready to come in and play hard.
I still vividly remember Milroe's play last year. Not good.
I hope it's better this year.

 

[Tidelines]

If they put 8 or 9 in the box…what are the best counter measures? Not much of an offensive mind. I would think the TEs would be the biggest weapon.

 

[B1GTide]

If they put 8 or 9 in the box…what are the best counter measures? Not much of an offensive mind. I would think the TEs would be the biggest weapon.

A QB who can pass under pressure. Pretty much the entire field will be open. But it comes down to the QB.

 

[81usaf92]

A QB who can pass under pressure. Pretty much the entire field will be open. But it comes down to the QB.

Yeah and it’s why I don’t put a lot on what people say on Ty Simpson in practices. Yeah he looks the part but he totally goes deer in the headlights when faced against a full defense during scrimmages. Milroe is probably the guy right now just by default. However from the most reputable sources that is not something that is for sure to stay.

Anyways I’m getting ready to go to Tuscaloosa. I’ll check back in after 3.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

Yeah and it’s why I don’t put a lot on what people say on Ty Simpson in practices. Yeah he looks the part but he totally goes deer in the headlights when faced against a full defense during scrimmages. Milroe is probably the guy right now just by default. However from the most reputable sources that is not something that is for sure to stay.

Anyways I’m getting ready to go to Tuscaloosa. I’ll check back in after 3.

During the A-Day game I did not notice Ty having the deer in the headlights look. Especially, when Ty supposedly played most of the game with a bad finger. I know the A-Day game was really vanilla, but you would have thought some of that deer in the headlights look would have shown then. I wonder what has changed for him since then?

 

[81usaf92]

During the A-Day game I did not notice Ty having the deer in the headlights look. Especially, when Ty supposedly played most of the game with a bad finger. I know the A-Day game was really vanilla, but you would have thought some of that deer in the headlights look would have shown then. I wonder what has changed for him since then?

It’s like I keep saying… ever since 2015 Saban has pretty much made A day a “feel good” day for quarterbacks. Because the whole fan base went into a frenzy in 2014 after seeing Kirby call 10 billion blitzes and made Sims look like a Mickey Mouser. However in 4 of the scrimmages Sims absolutely dominated Kirby’s defenses and was by far the most capable quarterback by a mile.

Basically Saban hates when the fan base is in full panic mode over quarterback controversy after A day because it’s constantly brought up for 5 months. So the gameplan is doctored in a way to make sure there are “great” moments for everyone.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

It’s like I keep saying… ever since 2015 Saban has pretty much made A day a “feel good” day for quarterbacks. Because the whole fan base went into a frenzy in 2014 after seeing Kirby call 10 billion blitzes and made Sims look like a Mickey Mouser. However in 4 of the scrimmages Sims absolutely dominated Kirby’s defenses and was by far the most capable quarterback by a mile.

Basically Saban hates when the fan base is in full panic mode over quarterback controversy after A day because it’s constantly brought up for 5 months. So the gameplan is doctored in a way to make sure there are “great” moments for everyone.

I think everyone will be looking for reports on how today's scrimmage went with the QB's. Hopefully, you can provide some good details from today's scrimmage later.

 

[TiderJack]

If they put 8 or 9 in the box…what are the best counter measures? Not much of an offensive mind. I would think the TEs would be the biggest weapon.

Think AJ to Amari on the play fake go route. Whether we have a QB that can make that throw remains unknown.

 

[BamaMoon]

Hey y'all, it's settled. It's Milroe to start in game one.







Credit: posted by an Alabama friend on Facebook this morning.