i have no doubt dabo sweeny & brent venables were stealing signals from at least 2018-2022. I'd bet they were they were probably doing it before that too. coaches talk & they were talking about clemson 
Michigan Under Investigation For Sign Stealing
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Its really simple actually to find out if someone has your signals. Just go into huddle mode and run the play in. You have 40s to ge the play off. If you start having success in huddle mode then you likely gave your answer.
i suspect that Sark had our signals in the UT game. Clemson had them in the 2016 and 2018 games. Other teams probably had them in other games too but it didnt matter they couldnt best us anyway.
i suspect that Sark had our signals in the UT game. Clemson had them in the 2016 and 2018 games. Other teams probably had them in other games too but it didnt matter they couldnt best us anyway.
Michigan: Where Tom Brady learned to cheat.
And again we have the asymmetry of what is rapidly becoming Alabama "fan logic:"
a) other teams had our signals, that's cheating
b) even if we had theirs, we would have beaten them anyway
Ranks right alongisde:
a) I don't want to hear Colt/Ewers/Whomever got hurt
b) but our receivers were hurt
Which sounds amazingly like:
a) Auburn cheats
b) Alabama got put on probation for stuff everybody does even if it is cheating
And let's not forget:
a) that team didn't play as tough a schedule as an SEC team EXCEPT when
b) an SEC wins the championship, they don't play in the West
This sport resembles professional wrestling more and more every day.
I would guess that this has to be on the level of using home field facilities to utilize technology to steal signs, such that the visiting team wouldn't have the same opportunity.
Otherwise...whatever.
Otherwise...whatever.
Who wouldn't do this when so many teams broadcast their signs on huge posterboards.
There is a simple solution, and the NFL has been doing it for many, many years. Allow sideline coaches to communicate with QBs via audio system built into the helmet.
There is a simple solution, and the NFL has been doing it for many, many years. Allow sideline coaches to communicate with QBs via audio system built into the helmet.
Yup...or use a huddle. Or as I heard it referred to by someone who doesn't follow football..."when the players get in a circle and tell secrets."
From ESPN:
"The NCAA notified Michigan officials and the Big Ten Conference on Wednesday that it is investigating allegations that the Wolverines were stealing signs. According to a report from Yahoo, Michigan allegedly had people attending future opponents' games -- as well as those of potential College Football Playoff opponents -- to gather information about the teams' signals for offensive and defensive plays that are sent from the sideline. The NCAA's investigation also includes games prior to the 2022 season, sources told ESPN.
If the Wolverines sent people to games to steal signs, it would violate NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." There aren't a lot of details available, including how much, if any, head coach Jim Harbaugh knew about the sign stealing; how many games someone associated with Michigan attended; how long the alleged sign-stealing system has been used; what staff members, if any, attended future opponents' games; and if electronic devices were used to record the signals."
If you can do this kind of "scouting" in person, couldn't you pretty much do it by watching the games on TV in real time or do it watching film?
Seems like a really stupid issue.
"The NCAA notified Michigan officials and the Big Ten Conference on Wednesday that it is investigating allegations that the Wolverines were stealing signs. According to a report from Yahoo, Michigan allegedly had people attending future opponents' games -- as well as those of potential College Football Playoff opponents -- to gather information about the teams' signals for offensive and defensive plays that are sent from the sideline. The NCAA's investigation also includes games prior to the 2022 season, sources told ESPN.
If the Wolverines sent people to games to steal signs, it would violate NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." There aren't a lot of details available, including how much, if any, head coach Jim Harbaugh knew about the sign stealing; how many games someone associated with Michigan attended; how long the alleged sign-stealing system has been used; what staff members, if any, attended future opponents' games; and if electronic devices were used to record the signals."
If you can do this kind of "scouting" in person, couldn't you pretty much do it by watching the games on TV in real time or do it watching film?
Seems like a really stupid issue.
Came here to say this. It's so stupid, all the resources wasted signaling in and stealing plays. Sheets attached to 2x4's, coaches with assistants hiding their signals, people following coaches on the sideline with boards, 7 different shirt colors... For crying out loud put an NFL helmet in there. So dumb.
To me this is really one of the few lines in the sand that makes sense from the NCAA. To explain, I'll extrapolate a bit.
1. A team could be willing to pay another team's players to give them signs.
2. Another team would be willing to send personnel to another team's practices to steal signs/information.
3. A well funded team could have multiple people sitting in the stands of every other opponent and scouting every potential and future team.
4. It's possible use phones to record info in every other opponents stadium/practice facility.
Etc.
All of these are possible, so where do you draw the line as to where gamesmanship becomes over the top thievery instead of sport. If I'm the NCAA, I draw the line way back at sign stealing so you draw the line way in front of the nastier methods of creating a non-competitive process.
Maybe I’m naive but doesn’t it seem kind of ridiculous to pay for a staffer to do this? Travel lodging etc. All the time it would take to decode. Like this would be several peoples only job in the program. And how would anyone know if you did? He wouldn’t be wearing Michigan gear and giant fbi binoculars. It would have to be an inside snitch right? And if it was sanctioned how could you (the HC) not know? This is either REALLY true or REALLY made up.
It's a part of the game that used to be called gamesmanship, but now with the fragile, excuse-making society we live in, it's called cheating. I coach youth baseball from age 10U through 16U and I'll steal your signs as fast as you can take your next breath and will lay my head down very comfortably on my pillow at night.
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