I meant to say I'd be shocked if they don't TRY TO hire a big name. The guy from UTSA doesn't fit.I won't.
Who is the big name they're going to hire - and oh yeah, who could they have hired other than Saban or Meyer in 2017 who had the cache and reputation of Fisher?
Fisher won a national championship with presumably less advantages, went to Aggie-ville, and he didn't do as well as Sumlin despite the #1 recruiting class in the country.
The following coaches are the ones still living who have already won an FBS national championship:
John Robinson - he's 88
Danny Ford - he's 75 and hasn't coached in over 25 years
Barry Switzer - 86 and hasn't coached college in 35 years
Jimmy Johnson - he's 80 and hasn't coached college since Reagan was in office
Lou Holth - 86 and long out of the game
Dennis Erickson - he's 76 and flopped everywhere but Miami
Bill McCartney - he's 83, hasn't coached in 30 years, and he's suffering from Alzheimer's
Bobby Ross - 86, a fluke title, and 2 games over .500 in his career
Gene Stallings - 87 and they already fired him once
Tom Osborne - 86 and hasn't coached in over 25 years
Steve Spurrier - 78 and quit in the middle of the season last time he saw an SEC schedule
Lloyd Carr - 78 and lost to App State his last season, out of the game since before the market crash
Phil Fulmer - 73, and he ain't doing it
Bob Stoops - yes, he left Oklahoma after years of not winning a title and has just been waiting to get into the SEC and face angry old folks at his old program.
Larry Coker - he's 75 and inherited his monster, couldn't do jack at Miami later
Jim Tressel - he's 70, an Ohio native, he ain't moving down there
ACTIVE COACHES
Nick Saban - uh, yeah.....amazing he's only a year younger than Fulmer.....
Pete Carroll - he's about six weeks older than Saban and ain't going back to college
Mack Brown - damn, I could see this happening....., but he's older than Saban by about 2 months
Urban Meyer - trust me, he's got better offers than College Station if he wants them
Les Miles - this guy is radioactive and just turned 70; I can see him taking it but why would they want him?
Gene Chizik - uh yeah
Dabo Swinney - Dabo isn't going to a league where he's going to face Saban or Smart yearly and sometimes both.
Ed Orgeron - see Gene Chizik comment
Kirby Smart - you don't leave your home school with a dynasty in vogue and go to the unknown
Jimbo Fisher - the most aTm move in history would be to hire Fisher to replace Fisher and give him even more money.
We have established that about the only coach IN THEORY aTm could hire who has won a title is Dabo, which I don't see happening.
They're gonna hire a no name for this job.
Who Replaces Jimbo?
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UGA is the only job Kirby would even entertain leaving Bama for. And don't think he didn't get offers. It's the dream job he waited patiently for. UGA is his Alma Mater. He ain't going anywhere for a bump in pay.
Aggie Twitter is saying they’ve interviewed Schumann. I would be absolutely shocked if he got it but it would certainly help the rest of the sec out
Didn't say bump in pay. You appeal to his ego, he will go. It is his Alma Mater, but Kirby is about Kirby. I don't look for him to retire there.
I think Jimbo had a bitter divorce before he went to A&M that likely cost him a lot of money. I don't think Jimbo actually intended to earn or fulfill his contract. I think he has been working to get fired for the last year or so.
This is your reminder that over the last (nearly) four decades, Texas hasn't even been as good as Auburn has on the football field.
That's what gets me about the whole thing. Texas and pundits LIKE TO THINK they're in the Alabama-USC-Oklahoma category, but they're not even in the Nebraska-LSU category beyond "Nebraska hasn't done anything for years." Texas is Penn State without the shower scandal, Clemson without Coach Karen, that's all they are.
TEXAS VS AUBURN COMPARED SINCE 1987 (AS OF END OF 2022 SEASON)
Texas 280-144-2 (.657, one national championship)
Auburn 292-147-5 (.658, one national championship)
OVERALL LAST 50 YEARS (EXCLUDING 2023 SEASON):
Auburn: 387-200-7 (.657)
Texas: 376-186-5 (.668)
Notice first of all that Auburn is damned consistent with their winning percentage even when we add an additional 13 seasons. Okay, so Texas raises theirs a few points when we add in some more successful seasons that include some during the unlimited scholarship era. My point still stands: Texas is Auburn historically, it is NOT Alabama. When you again take into account that massive advantages Texas has or should have over Auburn - and has pretty much the same record with the exact same number of national championships (one) over the last half century (in a much larger state and remember, Auburn has spent that time in the same small state with Alabama, putting them at a tremendous disadvantage)....Auburn has actually done as much with FAR LESS resources.
I am again compelled to summarize:
Over and over, for all my life, I've heard this load of crap about how great the Texas job is - and the aTm job, too. I'm told over and over again how "the right coach" can win there because they have "money and resources."
Then why doesn't anyone win there?????
Darrell Royal's national championships came in a compressed era at the end of segregation (Texas 1969 was the last all-white team to win a national title). Are you telling me that since Darrell retired, Texas has gone to bat seven times and has six strikeouts and a home run that barely cleared the wall thanks to the wind blowing out (as far as hiring head coaches)?
I've also heard over and over - to the point that if I heard someone say it on GameDay or whatever in my presence you'd likely have to peel me off the stage - "College football is better when Texas is good."
WHEN DID THIS EVER HAPPEN?????
The 1960s, where I have to be in my own 60s to remember it (and that assumes dementia hasn't set in).
Now...remember then that aTm isn't the flagship school of the state. If Texas can't win a bunch, it becomes easier to see why aTm can't, either.
Gotcha.
I took you too literally, my bad.
They're not gonna get anybody big name, though. Not unless there's a guy out there who wants a guaranteed retirement plan who isn't competitive enough to win it all.
480-137-3 (.777) since 1974 (9 national championships)
389-122-2 (.760) since 1987 (7 national championships)
Because winning is hard even with the right resources. And you have more established powers like Texas in your own state and LSU and Alabama in your own conference.
I'm not saying they should expect a title. But I think it's one of a few jobs where you could win one outside of the obvious places like Bama, Ohio State, LSU, etc.
You also have to hit on a great coach. Which isn't easy.
Note: that's ON THE FIELD, no penalty for the NZAA deciding "those wins don't count."
In the same time frame, Nebraska is 434-166-2 (.723) with 3 national championships, so Texas isn't even Nebraska.
Yeah, but most schools live in that wilderness full time.
But see - to me here's where the entire "Texas and aTm are good jobs" falls apart.
Look at who both schools hired.
Look at the results.
Even if we don't take the Alabama standard (and it's completely fair to hold Texas to that expectation), they fall WAY short of being anything close to a Blue Blood program.
I keep hearing how good these jobs are and how folks can win.
But Dennis Franchione did better with little ole Alabama ( in those years on probation) than he did at aTm, with all that money.
So did Gene Stallings.
So did Coach Bryant.
Does anyone here think Bill Curry could win ten games at Texas in an 11-game season?
I sure don't.
Every program has up and down years and yeah, we're affected by that. But the Bryant and Saban years are such an extreme outlier in the opposite direction that we are who they think we are.
The financiers of those programs are a combination of the worst aspects of H. Ross Perot and J.R. Ewing.
Always have been.
Always will be.
If you gave them the choice between:
a) singing "Eyes of Texas" and going 6-7
b) doing away with it and winning back-to-back national titles
Those idiots will always opt for A.
Amen to that, brother.
Hiring a coach always has a big element of crapshoot involved.
During our walk in the wilderness between Bryant and Saban (Stallings oasis of 1991-94 acknowledged), we had bad fortune with experienced HCs (Perkins, Franchione and Price), bad fortune with inexperienced HCs (Dubose and Shula), and a bad cultural fit with Curry.
Hard to believe now, but even Saban wasn't a sure thing in January of 2007. He had a reputation of alienating assistants and leaving jobs after short stints.
This is another reason why I think you need to be really sure you can hire an upgrade if you fire a coach. The simple emotion of, "Fahr heeuz sorry carcass!" isn't productive. The list of programs who have done that to their own detriment, often not long after signing the recently-fired coach to a highly lucrative long-term contract, is long.
aTm is just the most recent example. There but for personal misconduct goes Michigan State for a similar buyout number. Auburn is the poster child with Bowden, Tuberville, Chizik, Malzahn and Harsin all collecting huge buyouts (Malzahn's was a record until aTm and Jimbo).
At 7-4 and headed into a much tougher league, how does USCw feel about hiring the play-pretty of the day in Lincoln Riley?
The list goes on.
When that sad day comes and we have to replace Saban, assuming I could hand-pick literally anybody, I'd want Kirby or Ryan Day. I might even make them tell me no before going on to others. But there's no realistic expectation that either of them will leave where they are.
So my personal short list among those who might actually come (in no particular order) is Dan Lanning, DeMeco Ryans and Mike Norvell. And yes I know that each of them has his own set of, "yeah, but....." questions.
Agree or disagree with those names. But if you disagree, name someone else who would realistically come and would be better.
Bill Curry won an SEC championship and had us at #2 in the polls.
DuBose won an SEC championship.
Franchione had the best record in the SEC West but was ineligible.
Yeah, Perkins choked in the 1986 LSU game, but our misfires with less money in a smaller state are more successful than their misfires in a large state with more money and resources.
I know you're aware of the points above, so I'm not being trite.
But even when we miss the target, we have sustainability they don't have.
And that's playing in a much tougher conference year-in, year-out.
Texas fails at even our minimal level of success when more should be expected.
As always, your points are 100% accurate.
In this instance, though, I think we're talking about two different things.
You're referring to the sustainability of a program over decades and the relative levels of performance that constitute down times. And you're absolutely right that Alabama has sustained over decades better than any of the Texas schools.
I'm talking about the difficulty in predicting how any specific HC will work out, almost no matter his history.
The exception there was Bryant. He had built the Kentucky program from nothing to a national championship contender, and rebuilt the aTm program to that level. While nothing in life is ever 100% certain, given our downtrodden circumstances in 1957, the Bryant hire was as close to a sure thing as you'll ever see.
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