Bama Game Thread: We're in! - College Football Playoff (CFP) Selection Show (12/3/23 | ESPN | Noon ET)

[selmaborntidefan]

I think the BCS’s real headache was 2004 was when Auburn was left out. Yeah there will be no sympathy from Bama fans but the truth of the matter is that had the roles been reversed then it’s far more likely a Playoff happens far sooner.

2003 and 2004 proved college football couldn’t just rely on a #1 vs #2 system to settle a national championship. Sure most years it works but what do you do when there are 3-4 legitimate contenders.

There was whining almost from Day One, and it came from Miami. In 2000, they beat Florida State head-to-head on (again!) a missed FG at the end by the Noles. And when FSU got selected by the BCS, they cried and cried, "But we beat them head to head!" Yet Miami had some selective amnesia because they always failed to mention that one-loss WASHINGTON had beaten Miami far worse than they'd beaten FSU. But they'd dismiss that with the old "but you can't use the transitive property/they lost to a 2-loss team/whatever" nonsense.

The BCS flirted with disaster in 1998, 2000, and 2001 - to the point that they had lubricated the argument once the 2003 train wreck happened. And then 2004 was almost like another train crashing into a train wreck just to make sure you knew how bad it was.

I don't think Auburn could have beaten USC that year, but it would have been a damned sight more interesting than whatever that was Oklahoma did in that game.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I have to work in Tallahassee and suffer some Noles fans and listen at how they got robbed. That is the only reason i will pull for georgia...

They got robbed like they robbed West Virginia.

If they don't like it now, well, now they know how it feels.

 

[81usaf92]

There was whining almost from Day One, and it came from Miami. In 2000, they beat Florida State head-to-head on (again!) a missed FG at the end by the Noles. And when FSU got selected by the BCS, they cried and cried, "But we beat them head to head!" Yet Miami had some selective amnesia because they always failed to mention that one-loss WASHINGTON had beaten Miami far worse than they'd beaten FSU. But they'd dismiss that with the old "but you can't use the transitive property/they lost to a 2-loss team/whatever" nonsense.

The BCS flirted with disaster in 1998, 2000, and 2001 - to the point that they had lubricated the argument once the 2003 train wreck happened. And then 2004 was almost like another train crashing into a train wreck just to make sure you knew how bad it was.

I don't think Auburn could have beaten USC that year, but it would have been a damned sight more interesting than whatever that was Oklahoma did in that game.

Just think… what if Bama went undefeated in 2005.

 

[CajunCrimson]

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[selmaborntidefan]

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And Kanell is making a damned fool of himself trying to say it's not the same. He even had a show with Brady Quinn from Notre Dame yesterday, and he wanted to tell the differences, but he's a moron.

Every FSU fan is conditioned to say, "But Notre Dame lost the next week to a team outside the Top 10."
Using that logic, Alabama should be in the playoff ahead of Texas this year - but you won't get Kanell to say that.

He's also going with, "WVA lost to Florida, 41-7," ignoring two facts:
a) that means WVA should have been playing Nebraska in his worldview
b) if Georgia beats FSU in the bowl game then it proves FSU didn't belong

And for those who weren't there, none of us had a problem with 1-loss FSU being ahead of either Nebraska or WVA based on the record; it was based on the fact they went on TV and cried and begged for "a second chance," something I've never seen any other time. And they said - correctly - WVA had a weaker schedule.

"There wasn't a national championship game back then."
Actually, there was, it was called the Bowl Coalition and excluded the Rose Bowl conferences, but it was, in fact, set up to match 1 vs 2 for the championship.


I don't know why he can't just say, "You've got a good point" and be done with it.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I've been beating this drum for six years on Twitter with him and FINALLY some sports guys got the picture.

 

[Padreruf]

And Kanell is making a damned fool of himself trying to say it's not the same. He even had a show with Brady Quinn from Notre Dame yesterday, and he wanted to tell the differences, but he's a moron.

Every FSU fan is conditioned to say, "But Notre Dame lost the next week to a team outside the Top 10."
Using that logic, Alabama should be in the playoff ahead of Texas this year - but you won't get Kanell to say that.

He's also going with, "WVA lost to Florida, 41-7," ignoring two facts:
a) that means WVA should have been playing Nebraska in his worldview
b) if Georgia beats FSU in the bowl game then it proves FSU didn't belong

And for those who weren't there, none of us had a problem with 1-loss FSU being ahead of either Nebraska or WVA based on the record; it was based on the fact they went on TV and cried and begged for "a second chance," something I've never seen any other time. And they said - correctly - WVA had a weaker schedule.

"There wasn't a national championship game back then."
Actually, there was, it was called the Bowl Coalition and excluded the Rose Bowl conferences, but it was, in fact, set up to match 1 vs 2 for the championship.


I don't know why he can't just say, "You've got a good point" and be done with it.

I pay ZERO attention to DK...he's a wanna-be like Jim Rome & Mike Greenberg ...self-absorbed idiots who live off controversy -- there are far too many of those in what passes for sports journalism.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I pay ZERO attention to DK...he's a wanna-be like Jim Rome & Mike Greenberg ...self-absorbed idiots who live off controversy -- there are far too many of those in what passes for sports journalism.

I agree with that, and I even see him as the villainous heel wrestler playing a troll. By all accounts, Danny is PROBABLY a good guy to sit down and share a beer or even a Bible study with (he is a professing Christian). He's probably a good guy to talk about college football in his era. He's probably a decent enough guy, seems brighter than he acts, and like some internet flacks who'd get along great if they met.

The problem is, he wants to make these dogmatic, fundamentalistic arguments ("you just can't overlook the head to head") but ignore the fact those are contextual arguments that - in the way he says them - prove his own ring is undeserved and a "sham." If he could just say, "Look, most of the time we go with head to head, but it has a context. A 3-point loss on the road isn't the same as a 10-point loss at home. And not all 10-point losses are created equally since it might be a cosmetically close game with a final play TD or a misleading final play Pick Six," and admit there are times when it isn't as simple as "but X beat Y head to head," it would be fine.

But he wants to make head-to-head a magic pill that solves every argument. It isn't, and it never has been.

He has added - because it's his alma mater - "unbeaten teams should automatically get in ahead of one-loss teams," AGAIN in direct contradiction to his own experience.

He could say he disagrees with the decision, he could empathize with the players, so many things.



But the moment he goes with all this over-the-top stuff, it's time to turn in the ring he got under the circumstances he claims are a sham.

 

[Power Eye]

I don't know if anyone listened to Rece Davis and Pete Thamel's podcast on Monday, but Rece laid out what the playoff would look like under this year's final rankings if the 12 team playoff was in effect and the conference realignment had occurred. The first round byes would be Michigan, Texas, FSU, and....Arizona. The rest of automatic qualifiers would be Oregon St and Liberty. The at-large teams would be Washington, Alabama, UGA, Ohio St, Oregon, Missouri.

A couple of things, obviously the records would be different given the Big 10 and SEC added strength. Also, the CFP is likely to go to 5 rather than 6 automatic conference champions. The point being though, there will be two automatic qualifiers not from the Big 10 or SEC and at least one of them is very likely to be much lower ranked than other teams that aren't conference champs and won't get a bye.

 

[davefrat]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732046562661216620

So, essentially he's saying that every NC from the last 10 years is illegitimate.

What a cry baby, sore loser.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

So, essentially he's saying that every NC from the last 10 years is illegitimate.

What a cry baby, sore loser.

Most pre-BCS national championships were a sham.

Rarely ever did you have a team that:
a) ran the table
b) looked good doing it
c) looked indisputably like the best team
d) actually validated it with a game against the other perceived best team

It was a popularity contest between "teams with similar records."

Had Cincinnati won in 21 or TCU last year, it would have been more valid than 1978 Alabama's was.

This year was the closest to an ACTUAL snubbing we've had in the CFP era, since FSU was unbeaten.

Two games to go.......

 

[teamplayer]

I think the BCS’s real headache was 2004 was when Auburn was left out. Yeah there will be no sympathy from Bama fans but the truth of the matter is that had the roles been reversed then it’s far more likely a Playoff happens far sooner.

2003 and 2004 proved college football couldn’t just rely on a #1 vs #2 system to settle a national championship. Sure most years it works but what do you do when there are 3-4 legitimate contenders.

I've been preaching on Tidefans for an eight team playoff for many years. I always wanted the first round to be the four major bowls- Sugar, Rose, Orange, Fiesta/Cotton. Take the five conference winners and the three best non-conference winners (I think I used to argue for the top six conference winners that included the Big East when I first started this argument). They play the four bowls just like they used to do, and then we have a College Football Final Four! I've always wanted that. All of this crazy committee stuff is just a huge waste of time and money, in my opinion.

 

[teamplayer]

I don't know if anyone listened to Rece Davis and Pete Thamel's podcast on Monday, but Rece laid out what the playoff would look like under this year's final rankings if the 12 team playoff was in effect and the conference realignment had occurred. The first round byes would be Michigan, Texas, FSU, and....Arizona. The rest of automatic qualifiers would be Oregon St and Liberty. The at-large teams would be Washington, Alabama, UGA, Ohio St, Oregon, Missouri.

A couple of things, obviously the records would be different given the Big 10 and SEC added strength. Also, the CFP is likely to go to 5 rather than 6 automatic conference champions. The point being though, there will be two automatic qualifiers not from the Big 10 or SEC and at least one of them is very likely to be much lower ranked than other teams that aren't conference champs and won't get a bye.

I don't think that is accurate. You say that they said Arizona would get a bye. Arizona is ranked 14 and did not even play for their conference championship. If it is based on the highest ranked conference champions, then I would think that the four byes would be Michigan, Washington, Texas, and Alabama. Of course, I don't even think they have fully decided how they will organize and place the twelve teams.

 

[bamaga]

I’ve walked away from most of this discussion. Maybe this is discussed in previous posts, but I just heard a new angle, Florida St was left out because of money? Anyone heard of this? Alabama is worth upwards of $150mm to ESPN being in the playoffs over FSU. I don’t understand where this money may come from, or how these people came up with their numbers. I don’t have the report, it was talked about on the Slimebaum show.

 

[The Ols]

I’ve walked away from most of this discussion. Maybe this is discussed in previous posts, but I just heard a new angle, Florida St was left out because of money? Anyone heard of this? Alabama is worth upwards of $150mm to ESPN being in the playoffs over FSU. I don’t understand where this money may come from, or how these people came up with their numbers. I don’t have the report, it was talked about on the Slimebaum show.

Guessing eyeballs on TVs?

 

[Power Eye]

I don't think that is accurate. You say that they said Arizona would get a bye. Arizona is ranked 14 and did not even play for their conference championship. If it is based on the highest ranked conference champions, then I would think that the four byes would be Michigan, Washington, Texas, and Alabama. Of course, I don't even think they have fully decided how they will organize and place the twelve teams.

It's a flawed analysis since Arizona isn't in the Big 12 yet, but they are the highest ranked team in next year's Big 12, so for this purpose the assumed Big 12 champ. Again, the point is really to emphasize how someone next year will get a bye from the ACC or Big 12 that will be most likely inferior to the SEC and Big 10 teams that won't get byes.

 

[bamaga]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1732510285468991984

 

[bamaga]

Guessing eyeballs on TVs?

Yes, unless there is an escalator clause in the ad contract, those ads are pre sold prior to broadcast at a set cost.

 

[Saban4Ever]

I just read that the Orange Bowl has cancelled their press conference with Kirby Smart and Norvell for tomorrow. Anyone else read this? Not sure if it was a joke or not.

I also read the Florida State fans want to boycott the game. I also watched some of the WarChant video someone posted on another site. It was 2 guys just before the CFP announcement talking about how the SEC was going to be left out.. and then their reaction to Bama and Texas (especially Bama) making it in. It was a long video but I only watched about 10 minutes of it.

 

[TexasBama]