Alabama QBs in 2024

[AlexanderFan]

Would you please or any other of the multitude that have posted explain: “Read the defense?” Play is signaled from the sideline, defense gives a look, read comes from the sideline. Jesus, do you people watch the game? This is getting hilarious.

You do understand that the defense can look like zone/man pre snap, and do something totally different post snap, right? There are two reads for the quarterback: what he sees before the snap, and what the defense begins to do after the snap. That’s reading the defense. It takes into account tendencies from past games studied on film, and tendencies gathered from years of game logs.

Bryce Young changed plays for two years, protections, etc. the moment he stepped on the field.

 

[bamamc1]

You do understand that the defense can look like zone/man pre snap, and do something totally different post snap, right? There are two reads for the quarterback: what he sees before the snap, and what the defense begins to do after the snap. That’s reading the defense. It takes into account tendencies from past games studied on film, and tendencies gathered from years of game logs.

Bryce Young changed plays for two years, protections, etc. the moment he stepped on the field.

I can assure you I know football I’m just amused by the people on here who “act” like they do.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I can assure you I know football I’m just amused by the people on here who “act” like they do.

Then why the post? If you know football the mere fact that the play that was called was the play that was ran every time should be a giant red flag that something is amuck at the most important position on the field.

 

[Tidelines]

I once got a little extra jingle in my pocket when I was a young man. So I decided I would buy myself one of those fancy Smokey and the Bandit Trans-am. The salesman and I test drove it around town. I eased around on it a few blocks. After a little bit the salesman said " you've never drove a sports car have you? " I could drive a car fine, but he was right I wasn't a sports car driver. All I could see was being the center of attention. Just because you line up QB, doesn't make you a QB. There is so much more to the position than most ever realize. Alot of guys want to be the center of attention, a superstar. They want to win the Heisman. But the best QBs make everyone around them better players. That's when you're really driving a sports car.

 

[gtgilbert]

I can assure you I know football I’m just amused by the people on here who “act” like they do.

Well, your earlier post about 'read comes from sideline', and didn't mention a single thing about what the QB has to do doesnt exactly convey a lot of knowledge about the game. If there's more, please share. If you meant that sarcasticly, theres blue font...

 

[Cruloc]

You’re misquoting me. I said JM gave his teams a better chance to win than BY. While premature and perhaps an overstatement, my intention was to elicit some positive dialogue comparing JM to other great Bama QBs. This was mildly successful. Probably wouldn’t have said that given a second chance.

I also said I didn’t respect anyone who claimed JM didn’t “deserve” to be the starter next year unless he won a national championship. There’s a competition for every position every year. Lot different than saying someone’s got to win a national championship to keep their job.

I was wrong about him winning B2B national championships. We lost in OT. I’m an enthusiastic fan, not Nostradamus.

Given a choice, I’d rather be an enthusiastic supporter of our players than to be pessimistic, negative, and entitled, constantly claiming that they aren’t good enough, can’t improve or accomplish their goals, and laminate over every setback. Not directing that at you or anyone else in particular, just a general observation that some of the criticism is derogatory and questions JM’s integrity.

We made the playoffs and won the SEC because of our defense. It wasn't Milroe that got us there. He simply was athletic enough to make defenses pay if they gave him something he could handle.

If he can't read coverages and blitzes next season....we absolutely lose to UGA. And probably several others. The D won't be as good, the O has to be better. A QB that can read the field is what we will have to have. Milroe is too easy to shutdown for a good defense.

 

[AlexanderFan]

We made the playoffs and won the SEC because of our defense. It wasn't Milroe that got us there. He simply was athletic enough to make defenses pay if they gave him something he could handle.

If he can't read coverages and blitzes next season....we absolutely lose to UGA. And probably several others. The D won't be as good, the O has to be better. A QB that can read the field is what we will have to have. Milroe is too easy to shutdown for a good defense.

It’s going to be much easier now that the blueprint is out.

He doesn’t pull the trigger quickly, so immediate pressure is easy for most defenses. The defense can get to him before he decides to throw, so covering elite receivers isn’t going to be so tough.

 

[81usaf92]

Well, your earlier post about 'read comes from sideline', and didn't mention a single thing about what the QB has to do doesnt exactly convey a lot of knowledge about the game. If there's more, please share. If you meant that sarcasticly, theres blue font...

It is kinda like the Tywin Lannister line, “ Any man that has to say ‘I am the king’ is no true king”. I think anyone on a football message board that has to say “I know football and you don’t” as an attempt to win an argument makes you seriously question their motives and knowledge of the game.

TBH we are all just fans and none of us will ever understand as much about the game as CNS will ever forget. I think it’s a safe assumption to say some on here have a more technical understanding of the game than others but I think the problem is less about that because those conversations usually end amicably on here. It’s more about the “I told you so” and “how dare you”crowd getting their feelings hurt over someone saying something less rosy about the team or a specific player.

But it’s whatever. Im happy with the TSIO, IB, and SECCG going our way with how this team started out.

 

[81usaf92]

We made the playoffs and won the SEC because of our defense. It wasn't Milroe that got us there. He simply was athletic enough to make defenses pay if they gave him something he could handle.

If he can't read coverages and blitzes next season....we absolutely lose to UGA. And probably several others. The D won't be as good, the O has to be better. A QB that can read the field is what we will have to have. Milroe is too easy to shutdown for a good defense.

Well he will see another B1G defense with huge linemen and well coached players vs Wisconsin as well. I don’t think Wisconsin is talented enough on offense to beat us but it’s not going to be a walk in the park in Camp Randall if Milroe hasn’t improved in his reads. It could be a very tense game.

 

[Grogan11]

Good thread, looks like we have guys on both sides of the discussion. Just want to remind everyone of one man’s opinion who was very close to this situation a year ago. His initials alone are considered a cuss word by many around here so this should be interesting.
BOB has bounced between college and the pros for 25 years. He’s coached a prototypical drop back passer, the greatest of all time, Brady. He’s coached the ultimate dual threat QB, Watson. He’s coached under arguably the greatest college to ever live and also under arguably the greatest pro coach to ever live. This man knows what it takes to be a successful quarterback in a pro system. For two years, he watched every snap taken and throw made by JM. He felt strongly enough about his limitations in the passing game that he recommended he look to switch positions to better his chances of making a career in football. I know that bothers some people because it does sound harsh but it was never meant to be public knowledge. It was meant to help JM’s career. You know who else feels the same way? CNS and CTR, they will never say it publicly but does anybody really think we would go away from our typical Alabama offense to run what amounts to a High School offense if we didn’t have to??
I’m not saying JM is not a good football player or can’t have success as a QB. He can and has. But he needs a system built around his skill set. We did that this year. I don’t think the coaches plan on doing that again. This is an open competition, TS wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t. May the best man win!

 

[landonew]

Image of Landonew's post saying JM is on a different level.

Good catch. I didn’t recall saying that. It was premature and an overstatement. I suspect some of you guys have some equally bad takes about JM pre-USF.

What I should have said is that truly dynamic dual threat QBs, like JM, don’t need to be prolific passers (like BY) to have the same or greater impact on their teams ability to win college football games. Vince Young, Cam Newton, Jameous Winston - these guys were no where near BY as a passer, yet won championships with less talent and poorer coaching. That's not to say JM doesn't need to improve as a passer. I just don't think he's as far off as you are suggesting.

 

[landonew]

A lot of the plays ya'll label as “misreads” are not actually misreads. That’s not to say he doesn’t misread defenses, I just think this is being blown out of proportion.

Not every underneath receiver that “appears” wide open on broadcast TV is truly wide open, particularly with safeties playing zone coverage over the top (the safety breaks away from the underneath receive and towards the ball as the ball is thrown to another player ... giving the perception that the underneath receiver was wide open, when in fact they were not). I also think CNS and CTR have coached JM to be very conservative with the ball. If JM was truly as bad at reading defenses as you all suggest, why has he thrown so few interceptions since the Texas game? Bad reads plus inaccurate throws equal interceptions. That analysis just doesn't add up.

 

[landonew]

Quote from CNS at halftime of the Rose Bowl:

“The biggest thing is we have to protect the passer. We’ve been sacked five or six times. Those are all drive stoppers. ... We have to do something to get them blocked up front because we got some plays down the field. We just have to protect.”

 

[81usaf92]

Good catch. I didn’t recall saying that. It was premature and an overstatement. I suspect some of you guys have some equally bad takes about JM pre-USF.

The problem is that you joined here on 11-21-23… probably the highest point of time to be on the Milroe fan club. You started with numerous over the top posts that were taken as trying to dunk on posters that you despised while you were a lurker or that you had some personal connection to Milroe and wanted to get back at people. Because very few times did you really continue the conversation more than “Milroe is the greatest” or “He is going to show you all”.
Keep in mind this is in the middle of a bunch of threads popping up trying to chastise others at how to be a proper fan and force people to say they are idiots.

My point is that you can’t get mad at people coming back at you once you have been doing for the last two months. In fact I would probably argue that the reaction to the “I told you so” crowd is actually far tamer after the Michigan loss than what they probably deserve. It seems most of the discussion has been centered around if there can be a true quarterback battle in the spring and where we can get better before we head up to Wisconsin in September. Far less of this has been directed at getting even with other posters like it has been the last two to three months.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

The problem is that you joined here on 11-21-23… probably the highest point of time to be on the Milroe fan club. You started with numerous over the top posts that were taken as trying to dunk on posters that you despised while you were a lurker or that you had some personal connection to Milroe and wanted to get back at people. Because very few times did you really continue the conversation more than “Milroe is the greatest” or “He is going to show you all”.
Keep in mind this is in the middle of a bunch of threads popping up trying to chastise others at how to be a proper fan and force people to say they are idiots.

My point is that you can’t get mad at people coming back at you once you have been doing for the last two months. In fact I would probably argue that the reaction to the “I told you so” crowd is actually far tamer after the Michigan loss than what they probably deserve. It seems most of the discussion has been centered around if there can be a true quarterback battle in the spring and where we can get better before we head up to Wisconsin in September. Far less of this has been directed at getting even with other posters like it has been the last two to three months.

I'm not sure which poster it was, but I seem to remember one of the posters coming on here telling us to just watch that Jalen was going to lead us to back-to-back national championships. That prediction didn't come true. To even make a bold statement like that was ridiculous, no matter who the QB was.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Good thread, looks like we have guys on both sides of the discussion. Just want to remind everyone of one man’s opinion who was very close to this situation a year ago. His initials alone are considered a cuss word by many around here so this should be interesting.
BOB has bounced between college and the pros for 25 years. He’s coached a prototypical drop back passer, the greatest of all time, Brady. He’s coached the ultimate dual threat QB, Watson. He’s coached under arguably the greatest college to ever live and also under arguably the greatest pro coach to ever live. This man knows what it takes to be a successful quarterback in a pro system. For two years, he watched every snap taken and throw made by JM. He felt strongly enough about his limitations in the passing game that he recommended he look to switch positions to better his chances of making a career in football. I know that bothers some people because it does sound harsh but it was never meant to be public knowledge. It was meant to help JM’s career. You know who else feels the same way? CNS and CTR, they will never say it publicly but does anybody really think we would go away from our typical Alabama offense to run what amounts to a High School offense if we didn’t have to??
I’m not saying JM is not a good football player or can’t have success as a QB. He can and has. But he needs a system built around his skill set. We did that this year. I don’t think the coaches plan on doing that again. This is an open competition, TS wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t. May the best man win!

And seemingly Lonergan too. Today's the deadline, yeah? The QB battle could be very interesting. I thought for sure we'd lose one of the two

 

[81usaf92]

I'm not sure which poster it was, but I seem to remember one of the posters coming on here telling us to just watch that Jalen was going to lead us to back-to-back national championships. That prediction didn't come true. To even make a bold statement like that was ridiculous, no matter who the QB was.

Yeah I remember that one too. At the time I pretty much took it in the same light as the thread that came out after 2nd and 26 which asked “can we three peat?” in which you could just take it as a fan being a fan, but after numerous posts in the same tone from that poster I started taking as someone with an ax to grind against posters who were critical of their favorite player.

I think there are many types of way to fan, but there are some types of fans that just cannot accept that others exist that have different opinions than them. And there lies the problem. I enjoy different perspectives even if I don’t disagree with them. But I only ask for people to stop telling me how to be a fan if it’s not illegal or disruptive to the overall team goal.

 

[irvingtontide]

The problem is that you joined here on 11-21-23… probably the highest point of time to be on the Milroe fan club. You started with numerous over the top posts that were taken as trying to dunk on posters that you despised while you were a lurker or that you had some personal connection to Milroe and wanted to get back at people. Because very few times did you really continue the conversation more than “Milroe is the greatest” or “He is going to show you all”.
Keep in mind this is in the middle of a bunch of threads popping up trying to chastise others at how to be a proper fan and force people to say they are idiots.

My point is that you can’t get mad at people coming back at you once you have been doing for the last two months. In fact I would probably argue that the reaction to the “I told you so” crowd is actually far tamer after the Michigan loss than what they probably deserve. It seems most of the discussion has been centered around if there can be a true quarterback battle in the spring and where we can get better before we head up to Wisconsin in September. Far less of this has been directed at getting even with other posters like it has been the last two to three months.

I think that’s the gist of it. For all the flak us naysayers got between usf and Michigan we haven’t been arrogant about it like the mid season demands for apologies were. I think we have primarily looked towards next year hoping for better qb play. Granted we have talked JM weaknesses into the ground.

 

[81usaf92]

I think that’s the gist of it. For all the flak us naysayers got between usf and Michigan we haven’t been arrogant about it like the mid season demands for apologies were. I think we have primarily looked towards next years hoping for better qb play. Granted we have talked JM weaknesses into the ground.

Probably so. I just think people automatically assume anything slightly critical towards Milroe’s play or choices equals to being a naysayer or hater. I couldn’t care less at what quarterback leads us to #19 as long as they do. I will offer my opinion based on what I see. If it’s wrong it’s wrong, but atleast I have the guts to admit it and put my opinion out there. . I’m going to say my opinion all through the season, and even change it as more data comes. Im not just show up when I feel I’m right.

I think Milroe is fully capable of leading us to a title, but he is far from a finished product. I think the off-season will make or break us for 2024 because you know that defenses are going to have 6-7 months to prepare for him now. It’s like what happened to Jalen Hurts going into 2017.

 

[CB4]

Yeah I remember that one too. At the time I pretty much took it in the same light as the thread that came out after 2nd and 26 which asked “can we three peat?” in which you could just take it as a fan being a fan, but after numerous posts in the same tone from that poster I started taking as someone with an ax to grind against posters who were critical of their favorite player.

I think there are many types of way to fan, but there are some types of fans that just cannot accept that others exist that have different opinions than them. And there lies the problem. I enjoy different perspectives even if I don’t disagree with them. But I only ask for people to stop telling me how to be a fan if it’s not illegal or disruptive to the overall team goal.

I come here for discussion and exchange of ideas and opinions, not to necessarily have everything I post “sealed with a stamp of approval” by the majority. And it is okay if my opinion doesn’t jive with others. And vice versa.

And all of that is fine. It is a good thing to express/consider alternative points of view, as long as you do so in a respectful manner. Things get off the rail when “tone” comes across as condescending or overly critical. It is the reason I left Twitter. Respectful discussion became the exception rather than the rule.

Kudos to the mods here for all they do to keep things in check here.