Alabama QBs in 2024

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Wow! This is still going on! This has the makings of a "Fire Shula/Fire Gottfried" thread.

Basketball season has now hit conference play, so I'll check back around "A Day" to see what's happening! RTR! Keep up the passion!

 

[landonew]

2nd one top of the field is open on the cutback had to be thrown before the cut but it’s short of sticks and would have to win the one on one but better than a sack.

We’re debating about whether the two sacks during the first three-and-out possession happened because JM held the ball too long. There may have been a theoretical quick pass option to avoid the sack, that’s probably true on most sacks in college football.

You really need to stop. Milroe was a bad QB in 2023. If not for your great defense, Alabama would have 4+ losses with his play this year.

I agree the defense kept us in a lot of games. With all do respect B1GTide, nobody outside of the Tidefans' echochamber, thinks JM was a bad QB in 2023. He accounted for 36 TDs and 3800 yds of offense (discounting yds loss due to sacks) with only 6 INTs. He finished 6th in the Heisman voting. With JM as presumed QB1, Vegas opened with Alabama as co-favorite (with UGA) to win the 2025 CFP.

 

[landonew]

So Milroe threw for what? 250 yards? 275 yards? No he threw for what? 116 yards which is 5 yards per attempt .

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742974274892177434

 

[CB4]

In my humble opinion, this is nothing more than another symptom of the cyber-world in which we live…and I see the same thing happening in politically-oriented discussions…as well as most other topical discussions.

I’m 58 years old (which is totally unimportant other than to offer a point of reference) and I can remember when people used to be able to have civil and respectful conversations about most things. We earnestly listened to (and valued) the opinions of others, as well as asserting our own thoughts on a subject………….. and we did it with respect. (If you’re rolling your eyes at this statement, you would probably benefit from some introspection)

It saddens me to witness the decline (and eminent death) of respectful inter-human-communication. I truly miss the days where people could “respectfully disagree” on a topic…

I am a dinosaur on the verge of extinction, carrying a heavy heart. But I will exit this realm with a heart that loves humanity…and that’s the best I have to give this world.

In today’s world, people tend to be polarized in their views…while preaching down from their soapbox with index fingers firmly planted into their ears.

I was probably one of the earlier adopters on Twitter. I thought “This could be good. Varying viewpoints, idea exchange, respectful discussions and the like”. Then it turned into a “troll fest”. Anyone with a differing opinion didn’t want respectful discussion or debate. They found it easier to resort to personal attacks instead of engaging the brain. I realized I didn’t need the aggravation.
This debate concerning the QB position, for the most part, isn’t about people “hating” Milroe. It is about an honest recognition that JM clearly has miles and miles to go to be polished player needed to get to the job done. Personally, I love the young man and have been pulling for him. But that doesn’t override my common sense is stating what is clearly obvious. Most here simply want an open competition and not a “coronation” in the spring and fall.
And that competition will do nothing but make all the QB’s better. Iron sharpening iron.

 

[81usaf92]

So we are seriously basing the decision to keep Milroe off of preseason odds in January and odds to win the Heisman trophy???

Y’all do realize Alabama the last 7-8 years has at worst had the 3rd best odds to win a national championship every one of those years with the best odds most of those years. As far as Heisman odds…. How often does the Heisman trophy winner come out of nowhere to win it all. I’m really wondering what Bo Nix’s January 2023 odds to even make it to New York were.

 

[irvingtontide]

We’re debating about whether the two sacks during the first three-and-out possession happened because JM held the ball too long. There may have been a theoretical quick pass option to avoid the sack, that’s probably true on most sacks in college football.



I agree the defense kept us in a lot of games. With all do respect B1GTide, nobody outside of the Tidefans' echochamber, thinks JM was a bad QB in 2023. He accounted for 36 TDs and 3800 yds of offense (discounting yds loss due to sacks) with only 6 INTs. He finished 6th in the Heisman voting. With JM as presumed QB1, Vegas opened with Alabama as co-favorite (with UGA) to win the 2025 CFP.


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I know what it was about and I stand by my post. If you have someone open 15-20 yards down field and you still take a sack you in fact held the ball to long

 

[landonew]

They played over the top KNOWING his weakness is the short/intermediate throws. And from a pressure standpoint they KNEW when players are “under pressure” they revert to the thing that is most comfortable. And for Milroe that is waiting for that deep route to come open, giving them a chance to affect him in the pocket.

In addition, they showed a number of exotic looks on defense that confused the o-line calls. An experienced, polished QB is able to check out of a play, or “shift” a back or TE into position to pick up blitzing DB’s or LB’s. . Milroe isn’t even allowed to make “give or keep” decisions on zone reads. How many audible/check decisions do you think he gets? How about zero.

The quarterback position is more than just about getting into the RIGHT play. It also about getting you out of the WRONG play based on what you see.

You're essentially saying that JM's limitations as a QB makes the entire offense vulnerable. Why didn't Kirby Smart do the exact same thing? Michigan may have had a better gameplan, but the bottom line is that our O-Line executed far better against Georgia than they did against Michigan. They were a young, albeit very talented, group and that inexperience led to inconsistencies all year.

Tyler Booker's perspective: "Offensive lineman Tyler Booker said ... that the line didn't do a good job of handling Michigan's stunts up front -- bringing rushers from different directions -- which allowed the Wolverines to affect Milroe and disrupt the passing game." Link

 

[landonew]

I know what it was about and I stand by my post. If you have someone open 15-20 yards down field and you still take a sack you in fact held the ball to long

“The biggest thing is we have to protect the passer,” Alabama coach Nick Saban said at halftime. “We’ve been sacked five or six times. Those are all drive stoppers ... We have to do something to get them blocked up front because we got some plays down the field. We just have to protect.” Link

 

[CB4]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742974274892177434

What do you expect CNS to say? Something like
“Michigan was giving us a lot of different pressure looks that Jalen nor the team had seen on tape or from other teams. It gave us protection issues and Jalen has struggled in the short and intermediate passing game this year some. So we lost some confidence in the passing game somewhat…” ?

Talking about problems for a unit (o-line, secondary., RB’s) and laying out collective criticism instead of individual players or giving the opponent credit for superior execution is classic “coach speak”. As an example, the final play - when asked about it CNS could have easily said “Yeah the play was counter left, and Latham got blown up on the right. The snap was a little low, Jalen was suppose to follow the pulling guard to the left. But instead took it directly up the middle…” But instead he said “We didn’t get it blocked…”

 

[irvingtontide]

“The biggest thing is we have to protect the passer,” Alabama coach Nick Saban said at halftime. “We’ve been sacked five or six times. Those are all drive stoppers ... We have to do something to get them blocked up front because we got some plays down the field. We just have to protect.” Link

You can keep posting this all you want I think it’s the 5-6th time you have. Could the protection have been better yes but do you expect him to just come out and say well we had an open guys but milroe doesn’t see them? Not many coaches are going to take that approach.

 

[CB4]

You're essentially saying that JM's limitations as a QB makes the entire offense vulnerable. Why didn't Kirby Smart do the exact same thing? Michigan may have had a better gameplan, but the bottom line is that our O-Line executed far better against Georgia than they did against Michigan. They were a young, albeit very talented, group and that inexperience led to inconsistencies all year.

Tyler Booker's perspective: "Offensive lineman Tyler Booker said ... that the line didn't do a good job of handling Michigan's stunts up front -- bringing rushers from different directions -- which allowed the Wolverines to affect Milroe and disrupt the passing game." Link

It is really pretty simple. Kirby Smart amd Georgia gave Alabama the very “looks” (both offensively and defensively) they were expecting. Period. Cole Cubelic, former Auburn lineman broke it down the Wednesday after the game. Against UGA you could clearly see, based defensive formations and look, the oline communication was clean. He even said that “defensively against the UGA offense, #32 (Deontae Lawson) was pointing to the player that was going in motion BEFORE he even started in motion. That is how well both sides of the ball had been “schooled” on the formations, looks and tendencies of Georgia.

Michigan defensively gave us very little of what we expected. That is exactly what Booker is saying.

McElroy and Cubelic also interviewed a former Michigan lineman with insight into their preparation for Monday’s game. The entire goal from a defense perspective in terms of pressure was to give our o-line “looks” they (Michigan) had not shown all season and blitz/stunts other teams Bama had played had not shown. As he put it, much of it was “ghost” blitzing where they would show pressure, get the line to make a call, then drop or stunt and bring the blitz from elsewhere.

 

[landonew]

You can keep posting this all you want I think it’s the 5-6th time you have. Could the protection have been better yes but do you expect him to just come out and say well we had an open guys but milroe doesn’t see them? Not many coaches are going to take that approach.

I know, right! I would have thought you guys would've stopped blaming JM for the lack of protection in the Rose Bowl after the first or second time. Nope, still doing that on page 24. I'd assumed maybe you'd missed the first four times I posted it, because you continue to say things that are in direct contradiction to CNS's halftime interview, his post-game press conference, and his subsequent interview on the MaCafee show.

This debate concerning the QB position, for the most part, isn’t about people “hating” Milroe. It is about an honest recognition that JM clearly has miles and miles to go to be polished player needed to get to the job done. Personally, I love the young man and have been pulling for him. But that doesn’t override my common sense is stating what is clearly obvious. Most here simply want an open competition and not a “coronation” in the spring and fall.

Everybody agrees that there should be an open competition. There is an open competition for every position every season. That's not what you folks are saying. What you are saying is that JM is inherently limited as a QB, and that those limitations are not capable of being addressed through offseason development. You're also saying that those limitations are to blame for anything and everything that went wrong offensively during the Rose Bowl, from erratic snaps to protection breakdowns, to our receivers not getting open.

 

[smith5753]

I admittedly didn’t read back through this whole thread so my bad if you guys already discussed this.

I think that we may have dropped another game early on had we went with Ty Simpson, but I think by the end of the year he would have developed into a better passer which would have opened up our offense. I also think having a 3 way race was a distraction and took away reps from both Jalen and Ty.

 

[CB4]

I know, right! I would have thought you guys would've stopped blaming JM for the lack of protection in the Rose Bowl after the first or second time. Nope, still doing that on page 24. I'd assumed maybe you'd missed the first four times I posted it, because you continue to say things that are in direct contradiction to CNS's halftime interview, his post-game press conference, and his subsequent interview on the MaCafee show.



Everybody agrees that there should be an open competition. There is an open competition for every position every season. That's not what you folks are saying. What you are saying is that JM is inherently limited as a QB, and that those limitations are not capable of being addressed through offseason development. You're also saying that those limitations are to blame for anything and everything that went wrong offensively during the Rose Bowl, from erratic snaps to protection breakdowns, to our receivers not getting open.

No the only reason you are here is to be argumentative and state your belief that any objective criticism of Milroe is unwarranted. If you truly believe all things you are stating, you simply wouldn’t care. Why? Because in your opinion, Milroe should be able to take on all competitors and win the job “going away”. Milroe doesn’t need you defending him on a message board. According to you, he’ll “LANK” them all in any open competition in the spring and fall.

But yet, “here you are”.

 

[Rocky Mtn Bob]

I was probably one of the earlier adopters on Twitter. I thought “This could be good. Varying viewpoints, idea exchange, respectful discussions and the like”. Then it turned into a “troll fest”. Anyone with a differing opinion didn’t want respectful discussion or debate. They found it easier to resort to personal attacks instead of engaging the brain. I realized I didn’t need the aggravation.

Ha! My first exposure to Social Media preceded Twitter and Facebook. It was a "Bulletin Board."

I signed-on and posted, "Okay, I'm new here. How does this thing work?"

"Moron!" was the only response....

 

[landonew]

It is really pretty simple. Kirby Smart amd Georgia gave Alabama the very “looks” (both offensively and defensively) they were expecting. Period. Cole Cubelic, former Auburn lineman broke it down the Wednesday after the game. Against UGA you could clearly see, based defensive formations and look, the oline communication was clean. He even said that “defensively against the UGA offense, #32 (Deontae Lawson) was pointing to the player that was going in motion BEFORE he even started in motion. That is how well both sides of the ball had been “schooled” on the formations, looks and tendencies of Georgia.

Michigan defensively gave us very little of what we expected. That is exactly what Booker is saying.

McElroy and Cubelic also interviewed a former Michigan lineman with insight into their preparation for Monday’s game. The entire goal from a defense perspective in terms of pressure was to give our o-line “looks” they (Michigan) had not shown all season and blitz/stunts other teams Bama had played had not shown. As he put it, much of it was “ghost” blitzing where they would show pressure, get the line to make a call, then drop or stunt and bring the blitz from elsewhere.

This is a solid explanation, thank you. What I think is that every defensive scheme attempts to disguise pressure. When the disguise is effective, it's a "ghost" blitz; when it's not effective, it's a predictable "look." That's not to say your explanation does not have merit. I just do not buy that our O-Line's lack of protection during the Rose Bowl was somehow manifested by JM's limitations as a passer. And I do not want to get into a long debate about that, as that debate would be based largely on speculation. I will acknowledge that a more polished QB might be able to help redirect protection, or audible/bring motion to alleviate the play. I also think JM scrambled/rushed for 100+ yds (not counting yds lost during sacks), and that very few QBs are dynamic enough to add that type of production with their legs.

 

[irvingtontide]

No the only reason you are here is to be argumentative and state your belief that any objective criticism of Milroe is unwarranted. If you truly believe all things you are stating, you simply wouldn’t care. Why? Because in your opinion, Milroe should be able to take on all competitors and win the job “going away”. Milroe doesn’t need you defending him on a message board. According to you, he’ll “LANK” them all in any open competition in the spring and fall.

But yet, “here you are”.

Pretty much it doesn’t matter what you show him or say his mind is made up and he won’t see it any other way. Supposedly we are wrong for putting blame on milroe but he has done nothing but play the blame game with the offensive line while side stepping any milroe critism by posting coach speak and Vegas odds for a heisman as proof he’s right.

 

[Rocky Mtn Bob]

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McElroy and Cubelic also interviewed a former Michigan lineman with insight into their preparation for Monday’s game. The entire goal from a defense perspective in terms of pressure was to give our o-line “looks” they (Michigan) had not shown all season and blitz/stunts other teams Bama had played had not shown. As he put it, much of it was “ghost” blitzing where they would show pressure, get the line to make a call, then drop or stunt and bring the blitz from elsewhere.

Wow! I guess when the Head Coach has lost all seven previous bowl games taking such a crazy chance is conceivable. But, what a risk!

I coached high school tennis for 19 years. I never would have tried to have my players adopt completely different strategies or tactics right before Regionals (What was called "Sectionals" in the Southeast.) or State. It took me all season to get the boys to play using the strategies and tactics I instilled in them to GET THEM to those big season's end tournaments.

As a coach, I'd call that approach INSANE. But it worked ... Dagnabit!

I still put this on the O Line. Everything which was problematic with Bama's offense centered on line play.

 

[landonew]

No the only reason you are here is to be argumentative and state your belief that any objective criticism of Milroe is unwarranted. If you truly believe all things you are stating, you simply wouldn’t care. Why? Because in your opinion, Milroe should be able to take on all competitors and win the job “going away”. Milroe doesn’t need you defending him on a message board. According to you, he’ll “LANK” them all in any open competition in the spring and fall.

But yet, “here you are”.

As an Alumni of Alabama, I think it's very important that our fanebase support our players. Objective criticism is fine, but you know good and well that's not what has gone on here over the last 4-6 months. We have posters telling him to hit the portal, saying he is "not a QB" (i.e., implying that he's not "smart" enough to play QB).

It's disrespectful and it gets back to and affects our players.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0aMPLAOLls/

 

[landonew]

Wow! I guess when the Head Coach has lost all seven previous bowl games taking such a crazy chance is conceivable. But, what a risk!

I coached high school tennis for 19 years. I never would have tried to have my players adopt completely different strategies or tactics right before Regionals (What was called "Sectionals" in the Southeast.) or State. It took me all season to get the boys to play using the strategies and tactics I instilled in them to GET THEM to those big season's end tournaments.

As a coach, I'd call that approach INSANE. But it worked ... Dagnabit!

I still put this on the O Line. Everything which was problematic with Bama's offense centered on line play.

You're new and haven't fallen into the group think here. Welcome!