Alabama QBs in 2024

[BamaMoon]

Saban should have been as hard on Milroe in the media as he was the offensive line. His comments about providing Milroe with more time are fair, but he also knows that the defense was running a zone with 2 deep safeties, and that Milroe was not going to be able to complete those passes anyway. So he bags the offensive line and gives Milroe a pass in the media.

This has been his MO forever. Probably about protecting the confidence of the QB. But the offensive line is probably tired of hearing it.

Yes, the offensive line was a mess this year. But they had no one to make the calls adjusting to defenses. The center was a basket case, and the QB was simply incapable of seeing the adjustments that were necessary. So protections broke down on almost every play.

So, if a QB cannot make the adjustments, whose fault is it that he gets sacked or pressured? The offensive line, or his own? Or the coaches?

You have to put players in a position to succeed. Alabama tried to do that this year by never allowing Milroe to make calls. Why Saban made that choice is beyond me. I would have taken the losses while teaching a real QB.

@B1GTide I agree.

I think JM's "confidence" was needed more than we realize. Even when the offense was slashed at midseason to accommodate his limitations, it was often 1 big play followed by a disaster.

I just can't get out of my head the time CNS gave AJ a butt slap. Not apples to apples but CNS was never going to do that to JM.

 

[CajunCrimson]

@B1GTide I agree.

I think JM's "confidence" was needed more than we realize. Even when the offense was slashed at midseason to accommodate his limitations, it was often 1 big play followed by a disaster.

I just can't get out of my head the time CNS gave AJ a butt slap. Not apples to apples but CNS was never going to do that to JM.

15 years ago you could still coach kids that way. When a mediocre QB is a world class athlete who has a net worth of $6M, that apparently has split the team’s loyalty from
Coach to him, you just can’t coach like you did 15 years ago

it’s been a year, feeling over it.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Saban should have been as hard on Milroe in the media as he was the offensive line. His comments about providing Milroe with more time are fair, but he also knows that the defense was running a zone with 2 deep safeties, and that Milroe was not going to be able to complete those passes anyway. So he bags the offensive line and gives Milroe a pass in the media.

This has been his MO forever. Probably about protecting the confidence of the QB. But the offensive line is probably tired of hearing it.


You have to put players in a position to succeed. Alabama tried to do that this year by never allowing Milroe to make calls. Why Saban made that choice is beyond me. I would have taken the losses while teaching a real QB.

A welcomed voice of reason from the highly evolved Ohio State fan base. When I think of Columbus, ‘’big picture’’ almost immediately comes to mind. The outcomes of individual games really don’t matter. The coaches and players can do what they think best and improve at their own speed without any pressure whatsoever.

Thanks for the reminder, BIG.

 

[Grogan11]

Ty was supposed to be ready. He wasn’t. Saban had limited options and chose to draw to an inside straight and then bluff his way to the win. It didn’t work

This is exactly right. He has never talked so glowingly about a QB during the season as he did JM. Not Tua, not Mac, not Bryce. That’s usually considered rat poison. He did it to prop up JM’s confidence and to fool the rest of the college football world.

 

[Easttexastide]

Early on offense was changed no option run play looks like an option but we’re told JM can’t run it has to be give or keep. He keeps head up on keepers head down on gives. If I can see it of course d-coord can. Good coach or a month long break will have backers n safety a step ahead of milroe. This negates his athletic ability.
This isn’t a tough read like a run pass option just a basic give or take off d-end. So makes the d look fast and us look slow. Mix this with the pass problems recipe for disaster.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

15 years ago you could still coach kids that way. When a mediocre QB is a world class athlete who has a net worth of $6M, that apparently has split the team’s loyalty from
Coach to him, you just can’t coach like you did 15 years ago

it’s been a year, feeling over it.

Yep, kids in today's youth sports, HS and college level can't be coached (in general) like 15-20 years ago. But it is what it is and coaches have to adjust and move forward or spend their entire time trying to turn back time, which ain't happening.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Not for nothing - how old is Penix? Not making excuses for JM but I doubt Penix was doing that 2-3 years ago. Plus he’s got a couple of seasons’ experience as a starting QB; this ain’t apples to apples.
If JM is still around in two years, could he do that? We’ll never know.
Yes, that’s what you want your QB to do; not many 1st year starters can.
This is an excellent example of doing the right thing, but expecting JM to have that skill set in his tool kit, at this point in time, isn’t reasonable. But he missed a lot and made bad decisions, and this is the result. All he can do at this point is learn, and from the last two seasons it is reasonable to judge that curve as “not steep”.

For sure. Penix is crazy experienced. I just want him to show even flashes of these skills and I don't feel he has. I'm hopeful he will make some improvements in the feeling and adjusting to pressure department.

Right now most of the time pressure comes and Milroe either doesn't feel it at all or drops his eyes and panics. Sometimes his natural strength and speed saves him. I just think we have to see improvement in his play against pressure next season if he's going to be our QB.

 

[81usaf92]

Right now most of the time pressure comes and Milroe either doesn't feel it at all or drops his eyes and panics. Sometimes his natural strength and speed saves him. I just think we have to see improvement in his play against pressure next season if he's going to be our QB.

You know what the most beautiful play is on many passing plays… throwing the ball 3 rows into the stands or throwing for a 3 yard gain. You know what you didn’t see happen a lot?

Not every play has to strike up the band or be a totally positive play. Sometimes backing off a defensive pass rush after 10-20 quick decision passes is more effective than throwing one 80 yard bomb for a TD in the 3rd quarter.

 

[CB4]

My concern is this thing turns into a Jalen/Tua 2.0 situation. Every indication is that Simpson and Lonergan have continued to improve and Sayin coming in with some lofty expectations.
Bottom line: I don’t care who starts. I want the best player out there that gives us the best opportunity to win, week in and week out.

 

[Grogan11]

My concern is this thing turns into a Jalen/Tua 2.0 situation. Every indication is that Simpson and Lonergan have continued to improve and Sayin coming in with some lofty expectations.
Bottom line: I don’t care who starts. I want the best player out there that gives us the best opportunity to win, week in and week out.

I think the transfer portal will take care of that. Looks like a loser leaves town scenario to me.

 

[Rocky Mtn Bob]

<snip>
The OL had their own issues, but a lot of their issues are because of the limitations at QB.

The QB had his own issues, but a lot of his issues are because of the limitations of the OL.

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[Cruloc]

The QB had his own issues, but a lot of his issues are because of the limitations of the OL.

There, I fixed it for you.

Don't need anyone fixing anything for me. Thanks

 

[Bamabuzzard]

My concern is this thing turns into a Jalen/Tua 2.0 situation. Every indication is that Simpson and Lonergan have continued to improve and Sayin coming in with some lofty expectations.
Bottom line: I don’t care who starts. I want the best player out there that gives us the best opportunity to win, week in and week out.

That situation wouldn't be a concern, but would produce the best person for the job. The worse scenario would be Saban NIT allowing a true open competition and JM not having any real pressure to get better.

 

[gtgilbert]

Not for nothing - how old is Penix? Not making excuses for JM but I doubt Penix was doing that 2-3 years ago. Plus he’s got a couple of seasons’ experience as a starting QB; this ain’t apples to apples.
If JM is still around in two years, could he do that? We’ll never know.
Yes, that’s what you want your QB to do; not many 1st year starters can.
This is an excellent example of doing the right thing, but expecting JM to have that skill set in his tool kit, at this point in time, isn’t reasonable. But he missed a lot and made bad decisions, and this is the result. All he can do at this point is learn, and from the last two seasons it is reasonable to judge that curve as “not steep”.

well, We saw most of our first year starters able to do stuff like that, back to McCarron then through Coker, Sims, Hurts, Tua, Mac, Bryce - pretty much all of them had a feel for the pocket. No one can get out on every play, but they could/see/feel/sense and move around to generally avoid a lot of stuff.

 

[bamacon]

All I know is that we have an absolute NIGHTMARE GAME CHANGING WR coming in and we simply cannot have an offense that doesn’t get him the ball.

 

[CB4]

That situation wouldn't be a concern, but would produce the best person for the job. The worse scenario would be Saban NIT allowing a true open competition and JM not having any real pressure to get better.

But remember as well, CNS was tremendously hesitant about making the move to replace Jalen with Tua. That was the reason in an earlier post I made the statement that to displace Milroe the winner had to be “significantly better” not just marginally better. Based on Coach Saban’s history, he is more likely to go with the known commodity in Milroe.
Which then would make one ask themselves “was it truly an open competition or one in name only”? And I can’t agree more that would be worst case for all concerned.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

But remember as well, CNS was tremendously hesitant about making the move to replace Jalen with Tua. That was the reason in an earlier post I made the statement that to displace Milroe the winner had to be “significantly better” not just marginally better. Based on Coach Saban’s history, he is more likely to go with the known commodity in Milroe.
Which then would make one ask themselves “was it truly an open competition or one in name only”? And I can’t agree more that would be worst case for all concerned.

I think the deal between Jalen and Tua is that one of them was going to transfer regardless. It just depended on who won the starting job, who was staying, and who would transfer. As it turned out, it worked out best for both of them in the end.

 

[Power Eye]

I admittedly didn’t read back through this whole thread so my bad if you guys already discussed this.

I think that we may have dropped another game early on had we went with Ty Simpson, but I think by the end of the year he would have developed into a better passer which would have opened up our offense. I also think having a 3 way race was a distraction and took away reps from both Jalen and Ty.

I agree 100%, and said as much in a post a few days ago. I do think Milroe gave us the best chance this year for the simple reason we probably would have lost a game or two earlier in the season in addition the Texas game. Therefore, I think Coach Saban made the best decision even if it didn’t help us for next year. To me, the goal is the present and winning in the current year.

With all that said, the slate was erased on Tuesday morning and the calendar flipped to the 2024 team. I hope for a truly open competition in the spring, but come fall camp, I want the position settled early. I agree the way it played out this past season probably hurt us, at least in the short term, and aided in our loss to Texas.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

But remember as well, CNS was tremendously hesitant about making the move to replace Jalen with Tua. That was the reason in an earlier post I made the statement that to displace Milroe the winner had to be “significantly better” not just marginally better. Based on Coach Saban’s history, he is more likely to go with the known commodity in Milroe.
Which then would make one ask themselves “was it truly an open competition or one in name only”? And I can’t agree more that would be worst case for all concerned.

You are right about that, but it was the first time that I know of he'd ever been in that situation. This would be his second time through it, and do you think he would be as hesitant if presented with it again? Should be another intriguing offseason. 🤔

 

[JDCrimson]

I don't know the portal rules for baseball players but Lonergan will be with the baseball team this spring. I don't know how 2 sport athletes are handled in this era.