Alabama QBs in 2024

[CoolBreeze]

It would make me feel better if CKD said there will be an open competition for OL...

New coaching staff. Open competition at all positions is implied.

 

[Cruloc]

If Milroe can't make reads presnap and the new offense relies on the QB making presnap reads.....I'm not sure what some are expecting come fall practice, but unless Milroe suddenly is able to do what he hasn't been able to do....he will not be the starter.

 

[BamaInBham]

If Milroe can't make reads presnap and the new offense relies on the QB making presnap reads.....I'm not sure what some are expecting come fall practice, but unless Milroe suddenly is able to do what he hasn't been able to do....he will not be the starter.

Not only pre-snap reads but quick post-snap reads, then quickly pull the trigger. Also, RPOs.

It seems daunting for JM.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

It was pretty clear to me when the entire offensive line turned away from Ty after he was sacked and didn't show any concern about letting someone tee off on their QB. This could prove to be the biggest issue DeBoar faces in installing his offense. Hopefully the other QB's will show up in the spring and make it clear there will be open competition for the job.

It could be made more difficult with the media touting JM as #1 Heisman contender. Of course there is spring portal and it is anyone's guess as to what teams may already be in contact with Bama's QB's.

I've said this before but I'll say it again.

I'd rather the 2024 team go 8-4 with the best QB and a mix of 1's and 2's that will play just as hard for whoever the QB is than go 10-2 because the 1's all picked 'Their Guy' and refused to play the same for anybody else.

I don't ever want to see what happened vs USF again.

We've got to weed that mentality out even if we take lumps for it.

 

[BamaInBham]

I've said this before but I'll say it again.

I'd rather the 2024 team go 8-4 with the best QB and a mix of 1's and 2's that will play just as hard for whoever the QB is than go 10-2 because the 1's all picked 'Their Guy' and refused to play the same for anybody else.

I don't ever want to see what happened vs USF again.

We've got to weed that mentality out even if we take lumps for it.

IMO, it is unfortunate that this subject is on the table again. It could be true, but there's a lot of guessing going on. I hope Alabama fans will drop it. No need to pick at an old, maybe non-existent, wound. There's a new staff, let's see what happens. Just an opinion.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

IMO, it is unfortunate that this subject is on the table again. It could be true, but there's a lot of guessing going on. I hope Alabama fans will drop it. No need to pick at an old, maybe non-existent, wound. There's a new staff, let's see what happens. Just an opinion.

Cuts both ways.
Let's don't just assume JM is already the front runner/heir apparent either nor try to build him up and just assume he's gonna all of a sudden have the bulb come on and do what he hasn't shown to be able to do in 3 years of being on the team.

Whoever wins the competition I hope it's a truly honestly open competition and like someone else said: if what was reported did happen then that mindset needs to be cut out like a cancer.

Now, I'm excited to see what CKD can do with the talent he will have at his disposal.

 

[BamaInBham]

Cuts both ways.
Let's don't just assume JM is already the front runner/heir apparent either nor try to build him up and just assume he's gonna all of a sudden have the bulb come on and do what he hasn't shown to be able to do in 3 years of being on the team.

Whoever wins the competition I hope it's a truly honestly open competition and like someone else said: if what was reported did happen then that mindset needs to be cut out like a cancer.

You obviously haven't read any of my posts regarding this matter.

I was addressing a specific subtext of the greater plot. It was only an opinion/request.

Now, I'm excited to see what CKD can do with the talent he will have at his disposal.

Agree with that.

 

[Ledsteplin]

The job is MIlroe's to lose. I fully believe he is capable of running KD's offense. Now, remember KD said he will tweak the offense to fit the player's strength. If KD can improve on reading the field, and make quick decisions, he will be just fine.

CKD has said adapting with a dual-threat option like Milroe is something the Crimson Tide should have no problems doing. So we'll see.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

one other known variable for at least the three who were on the roster last year:

Speed of release (from clap to throw):

Simpson - quickest by far
Lonergan - #2.
Sayin (gone)
Holstein (gone) these three were all very close
Milroe - slowest by far.

No idea where Mack will rank.

When I counted to eight Milroe was either going to be sacked or throw a desperation pass. BTW: I was always mad when I counted to eight waiting on Milroe to get the ball away.

 

[BamaMoon]

If Milroe can't make reads presnap and the new offense relies on the QB making presnap reads.....I'm not sure what some are expecting come fall practice, but unless Milroe suddenly is able to do what he hasn't been able to do....he will not be the starter.

Not only pre-snap reads but quick post-snap reads, then quickly pull the trigger. Also, RPOs.

It seems daunting for JM.

So much has already been said about it, but this is the big elephant in the room. Players can change; they can improve and they can regress. Players have a ceiling too.

The amount of change that seems to stand in between JM being able to do the "basics" of CKD's offense seems like a very tall task for JM.

The offensive staff "allowed" JM to be super slow to adjust to defenses last year by standing way to long in the pocket. At times he finally found his receiver, at other times he didn't and at times he got sacked after the OL held up as long as they could.

Those who have looked into Grubb's scheme keep saying it is based off of very quick reads and designed for the QB to get the ball out quickly. That means the OL isn't trying to block rushers for 3 or 4 seconds.

So something has got to give: Either JM goes thru a pretty radical change OR if he doesn't two things happen: we either start monkeying with the system to cover for his weaknesses OR another QB who can make the reads gets the job.

Personally, I'd rather go with the younger, untested guys, even if it's a little bumpy coming out of the gate than to have a "rerun" of last year's ups and downs all year long because the QB can't run the system he's being asked to.

CKD has said adapting with a dual-threat option like Milroe is something the Crimson Tide should have no problems doing. So we'll see.

Has he spoken about this specifically regarding JM? OR just that he's willing to adjust to QB's strengths and weakness. I've only heard the latter, unspecific type quote.

But, I'll bite at the probability he might have spoken specifically about JM.

First, he's not going to say he's "not" willing to work with him. He's a leader and very popular among some teammates.

Secondly, it's really not accurate to say he's dual-threat because they almost always involves QBs who are efficient at running the RPO. That's the gate thru which a true dual threat QB measures his options of keep, give OR pass. But JM struggles with the most basic keep/give option and we already know about his struggles to quickly find WRs in the passing game. And since we pretty much had to scrap the RPO "option," he still struggled with "running" in the drop back passing game beause when he couldn't locate a receiver, he was so "slow" in making decision to run, which we know was why he was originally chosen to play the position in the first place.

There is something I don't think we've discussed a ton and that is Deboer and Grubb seem like the type of staff who can "develop" a QB. That's what Jalen needs. Development. The issue is there's a long way to go and a short time to get there. And I still refuse to accept the possibility that JM 2023 is going to be allowed to run the 2024 offense, so it's on JM to make some big changes.

 

[81usaf92]

CKD has said adapting with a dual-threat option like Milroe is something the Crimson Tide should have no problems doing. So we'll see.

The problem is that Milroe DOESNT want to be a dual threat quarterback to begin with. His resistance to it was the primary reason we got into a needless dog fight against Auburn and Arkansas. It’s almost like once Texas exposed him as a power running back with a big arm he lost all confidence that he gained in the MTSU game about his ability to take over a game with his legs (exception the LSU game).

Milroe wants to be a pocket passer, and there lies the true problem with him. Everyone wants to bring up his efficiency and lack of interceptions, but when you are afraid to throw incompletions then it’s not that hard to see why those numbers skyrocket. Heck people were saying the same nonsense about Jalen Hurts all of 2017. If he wants to be a pocket passer like he has reiterated several times then he has to be willing to make mistakes and be willing to check it down. Holding the ball for an eternity every play isn’t the sign of a great pocket passer, it’s a sign of a single read yard baller.

Could he be a great quarterback in this system? Certainly. But he has to get away from the idea that he has to strike up the band every play.

 

[UAH]

The problem is that Milroe DOESNT want to be a dual threat quarterback to begin with. His resistance to it was the primary reason we got into a needless dog fight against Auburn and Arkansas. It’s almost like once Texas exposed him as a power running back with a big arm he lost all confidence that he gained in the MTSU game about his ability to take over a game with his legs (exception the LSU game).

Milroe wants to be a pocket passer, and there lies the true problem with him. Everyone wants to bring up his efficiency and lack of interceptions, but when you are afraid to throw incompletions then it’s not that hard to see why those numbers skyrocket. Heck people were saying the same nonsense about Jalen Hurts all of 2017. If he wants to be a pocket passer like he has reiterated several times then he has to be willing to make mistakes and be willing to check it down. Holding the ball for an eternity every play isn’t the sign of a great pocket passer, it’s a sign of a single read yard baller.

Could he be a great quarterback in this system? Certainly. But he has to get away from the idea that he has to strike up the band every play.

Indeciveness is what I saw. Drifting toward the sideline and not making a decision to run or throw when he had yardage in front of him. Not being willing to cut back to get 1st down yardage and punting the ball away. Jalen Hurts was frustrating to watch at times but when he ran he was very effective and saved several big games.

LSU's defensive backfield was horrible much of the year.

 

[Windsortide]

If Milroe can't make reads presnap and the new offense relies on the QB making presnap reads.....I'm not sure what some are expecting come fall practice, but unless Milroe suddenly is able to do what he hasn't been able to do....he will not be the starter.

I think it will come down to what the new coaching staff is looking for and if they are willing to tailor their offense to the QB or if they want the best QB for their system. If the latter is the case that would bring Mack into the competition with experience running the system.

 

[Windsortide]

I've said this before but I'll say it again.

I'd rather the 2024 team go 8-4 with the best QB and a mix of 1's and 2's that will play just as hard for whoever the QB is than go 10-2 because the 1's all picked 'Their Guy' and refused to play the same for anybody else.

I don't ever want to see what happened vs USF again.

We've got to weed that mentality out even if we take lumps for it.

I’ll never trade wins for losses unless it it a moral or ethical issue. That’s just one man’s opinion.

 

[Windsortide]

CKD has said adapting with a dual-threat option like Milroe is something the Crimson Tide should have no problems doing. So we'll see.

I think that is CKD’s challenge if he believes in JM. He has to speed up his processing or modify his offense to help him get the ball out ala CLK or Sark.

 

[Cruloc]

I think it will come down to what the new coaching staff is looking for and if they are willing to tailor their offense to the QB or if they want the best QB for their system. If the latter is the case that would bring Mack into the competition with experience running the system.

Their offense, this new one we will be implementing, seems to be the exact type offense Milroe cannot effectively lead.

They can tailor the offense to fit him only so much before it's not their offense anymore.

Mack has inexperience on the field, but experience in their system. If Milroe can have a miracle of an off season....great, he'll win the Heisman. If not, and the more likely scenario, one of the other 3 guys wins the job and its not even close.

 

[81usaf92]

Indeciveness is what I saw. Drifting toward the sideline and not making a decision to run or throw when he had yardage in front of him. Not being willing to cut back to get 1st down yardage and punting the ball away. Jalen Hurts was frustrating to watch at times but when he ran he was very effective and saved several big games.

LSU's defensive backfield was horrible much of the year.

Milroe and Hurts had the same core issue in that they were afraid of making mistakes but they handled it differently. Hurts would roll out to the sideline while Milroe waits for the home run. Milroe’s issues usually results in sacks and Hurts’s usually resulted in missed fgs or 3 and outs. At some point you have to see the whole field. Dipree and Niblack were open for the vast majority of the season and yet they hardly got the ball.

The problem is that defenses adjusted to them, and it became a problem in big games. If you play not to lose at quarterback then you usually lose.

 

[teamplayer]

The problem is that Milroe DOESNT want to be a dual threat quarterback to begin with. His resistance to it was the primary reason we got into a needless dog fight against Auburn and Arkansas. It’s almost like once Texas exposed him as a power running back with a big arm he lost all confidence that he gained in the MTSU game about his ability to take over a game with his legs (exception the LSU game).

Milroe wants to be a pocket passer, and there lies the true problem with him. Everyone wants to bring up his efficiency and lack of interceptions, but when you are afraid to throw incompletions then it’s not that hard to see why those numbers skyrocket. Heck people were saying the same nonsense about Jalen Hurts all of 2017. If he wants to be a pocket passer like he has reiterated several times then he has to be willing to make mistakes and be willing to check it down. Holding the ball for an eternity every play isn’t the sign of a great pocket passer, it’s a sign of a single read yard baller.

Could he be a great quarterback in this system? Certainly. But he has to get away from the idea that he has to strike up the band every play.

True! An incompletion is better than a 10 or 15 yard sack by far. We had far too many big sacks when there was plenty of time to get the ball out.

 

[Windsortide]

Their offense, this new one we will be implementing, seems to be the exact type offense Milroe cannot effectively lead.

They can tailor the offense to fit him only so much before it's not their offense anymore.

Mack has inexperience on the field, but experience in their system. If Milroe can have a miracle of an off season....great, he'll win the Heisman. If not, and the more likely scenario, one of the other 3 guys wins the job and its not even close.

You could very well be right! I am just stating an opinion not a prophecy no one knows what the future holds. I hope we can agree that as JM is a player today that offense would have to be modified for him to be successful today unless the new staff likes someone else. Remember he brought in his own guy and he’s built more like Lornegan than Simpson.

 

[Cruloc]

You could very well be right! I am just stating an opinion not a prophecy no one knows what the future holds. I hope we can agree that as JM is a player today that offense would have to be modified for him to be successful today unless the new staff likes someone else. Remember he brought in his own guy and he’s built more like Lornegan than Simpson.

I definitely agree their offense would have to be modified for Milroe to have any success. Ultimately I think it'll be one of the other 3.

Honestly I'm more worried about the defense.