Milroe's accuracy

[Coach D]

One thing I can't help but notice is how different Milroe is treated versus Bryce Young.

With each guy as a two year starter (though Jalen's second is incomplete), here's what we know:

Both guys lost at Tennessee in their first try.
Bryce 1-1 versus Tennessee, Jalen 1-1
Bryce 1-1 versus Georgia, Jalen 2-0
In their first years, Bryce lost in the playoff versus the national champion and Jalen lost in the playoff to the national champion.
Bryce didn't make the playoff at all in his second year. Milroe still to be determined.
Both guys played a ridiculously close game with Auburn their first year in command, requiring insane heroics to pull out the victory.
Both guys undefeated against Auburn
Bryce 1-1 versus LSU. Jalen 1-0 with one game to go...

Folks can get more in the weeds with the comparisons, but for every argument, there's a good counter. (Jalen lost to Vandy, but then Bryce had a far more solidly stable coaching situation. Milroe didn't win a Heisman, but he has set record breaking statistical marks, etc.) Where the rubber meets the road is success against rivals and winning championships. In that regard, the two guys are quite similar and I think it's inarguable that Milroe has navigated it all with college football, and our program particularly, in transition.

So again, why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?

Young struggled a little with the short routes. That ends the similarities.

Young overcame one of the O lines to become a top draft pick. Milroe is playing himself out of the draft completely. Young kept the team in the game against TN Milroe kept Tenn in the game.

It’s just not a comparison. I do believe for some reason people have gone overboard hating Milroe though. But really nothing to compare.

 

[cdub55]

This could affect the accuracy of any QB

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851793855730876929

I've also read where there has been an increase in pollen levels due to climate change. This could definitely be a contributing factor in why he has had an issue with seeing open receivers.

 

[day-day]

I mean, I get that JM isn't what most (all?) of us want as a passer, but again, in less than two seasons he has become the only player in SEC history with 25 passing TDs and 25 rushing TDs.

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I don't know what this statement is saying in regard to "less than two seasons". Milroe currently has 25 rushing TD's which includes one when he was a freshman. Other SEC quarterbacks have more of each for their careers. Tebow had 32 passing and 23 rushing in one season alone. Manziel had 63 and 30 in two seasons.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I don't know what this statement is saying in regard to "less than two seasons". Milroe currently has 25 rushing TD's which includes one when he was a freshman. Other SEC quarterbacks have more of each for their careers. Tebow had 32 passing and 23 rushing in one season alone. Manziel had 63 and 30 in two seasons.

Sorry, meant in Alabama football history.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

...why has only Milroe had to endure this crowd of ever-present critics? Why are other QB's allowed their share of mistakes, but each one by Milroe is proof that Bill O'Brien was a genius and that anyone but Jalen should be our starter?

The difference I think is the assumption by probably a majority of posters that Jalen has for two seasons manipulated the locker room to his own benefit and to the detriment of the team. There seems to be at least some validation of this from trusted sources here on TideFans. For me, the key question is whether this was:

• Intentional. I.e., he used LANK money to curry favor with key teammates and hold the starting QB position hostage. If this is the case, he deserves every bit of scorn we can heap upon him.
• Incidental. I.e., he used LANK to get NIL money to guys who otherwise would get nothing, not realizing it would adversely affect locker room dynamics. By the time he (and the staff) realize what has happened, they can't get the genie back in the bottle until normal roster turnover runs its course.

The result to the locker room of LANK was, if sources are to be trusted, the same either way, but I suspect that how charitable / forgiving / tolerant we are wrt Jalen's performance correlates to which of the two motives we ascribe to him. And of course, I doubt any of us knows which it was...

 

[Blanda's Shoes]

I suspect that how charitable / forgiving / tolerant we are wrt Jalen's performance correlates to which of the two motives we ascribe to him. And of course, I doubt any of us knows which it was...

Or, a third option, it is neither.

Milroe is the first Alabama QB, a role always in the spotlight, in position to take full advantage of the NIL system that was just starting while Young was the starter. In the past, when a Bama QB becomes a media sensation is it because of breakthrough, next-level play.

However, my supposition is that many fans have not yet adjusted to the new reality of Bama's QB position in and of itself, regardless of the player, being an NIL goldmine. In the long run, for the program, this is a good thing. A very good thing. In the immediate term, though, especially to those fans, his hype, endorsement deals, and merchandizing feel unearned. It would be wise to get over that.

Milroe is a mostly fun sometimes frustrating college player with the occasional upside to be more. Were he Jake Coker, and prevented by NCAA conventions of the time from cashing in on the spotlight, he'd be a folk hero not a lightning rod. Anything else is just fuddy-duddyism.

 

[GboyBama]

The difference I think is the assumption by probably a majority of posters that Jalen has for two seasons manipulated the locker room to his own benefit and to the detriment of the team. There seems to be at least some validation of this from trusted sources here on TideFans. For me, the key question is whether this was:

• Intentional. I.e., he used LANK money to curry favor with key teammates and hold the starting QB position hostage. If this is the case, he deserves every bit of scorn we can heap upon him.
• Incidental. I.e., he used LANK to get NIL money to guys who otherwise would get nothing, not realizing it would adversely affect locker room dynamics. By the time he (and the staff) realize what has happened, they can't get the genie back in the bottle until normal roster turnover runs its course.

The result to the locker room of LANK was, if sources are to be trusted, the same either way, but I suspect that how charitable / forgiving / tolerant we are wrt Jalen's performance correlates to which of the two motives we ascribe to him. And of course, I doubt any of us knows which it was...

I choose to believe absolutely none of this tinfoil hat stuff without first hand sources on the record.

IMO, this whole narrative was invented so that people who think Simpson is somehow better can explain why Milroe plays over him. Full stop.

 

[dvldog]

2 passing and 2 running TDs is a solid if not great achievement but it still adds up to four scores

I’d take a QB w 0 running TDs but four passing TDs to 3 different receivers while routinely completing passes at multiple levels of the defense.

Ya. I been spoiled. RTR!

 

[cdub55]

I choose to believe absolutely none of this tinfoil hat stuff without first hand sources on the record.

IMO, this whole narrative was invented so that people who think Simpson is somehow better can explain why Milroe plays over him. Full stop.

No one is going to force anyone to prescribe to any theories. I will say this, if you want to get an accurate picture of the innerworkings, some people's "opinions" shouldn't be ignored.

 

[davefrat]

In what other game has HE (not the team but HE) really shined? Tennessee? Vandy? I'll give you Western Kentucky but they couldn't get any pressure on him. Wisconsin? was hit or miss. Missouri? 10 points in the first have when the game should have been over by the half.
So, please tell me where he really shines?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "shined"...does that mean like an incredible jaw-dropping game, or a game where he played very well? And does a QB have to shine all the time or if he doesn't, does that make him a bum?

Perhaps you can elaborate on what it means for a QB to "shine" at this level.

Here's a snapshot of 9 games in which he posted good to great numbers as a passer. Is he the second coming of John Elway? No. Is he the second coming of Spencer Pennington? No.

These are all games against quality opponents...no cupcakes included. They aren't all stellar numbers, but they also aren't numbers from someone who would be considered totally incapable of playing the QB position at a major level of competition.

I'm sure it's not enough to move you an inch off your "He's worse than a can of spam" view, but here goes:

 

[CoolBreeze]

I choose to believe absolutely none of this tinfoil hat stuff without first hand sources on the record.

IMO, this whole narrative was invented so that people who think Simpson is somehow better can explain why Milroe plays over him. Full stop.

First thing is tinfoil is very fashionable. Second is that the backup QB has ALWAYS been the most intriguing player on Alabama's roster.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

I choose to believe absolutely none of this tinfoil hat stuff without first hand sources on the record.

IMO, this whole narrative was invented so that people who think Simpson is somehow better can explain why Milroe plays over him. Full stop.

OMG THE IRONY OF THIS POST!!!

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

This could affect the accuracy of any QB

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851793855730876929

Compromised C2P signal?!? Discovered at a game in awbern, no doubt...

 

[crimsonaudio]

Perhaps you can elaborate on what it means for a QB to "shine" at this level.

I mean, Bama has played five top-25 defenses so far in 2024 and JM's QB rating ranks 15th in the country.

Again, he has gaping holes in his game, but goodness, the way some here post you'd think he couldn't throw a forward pass...

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Compromised C2P signal?!? Discovered it at a game in awbern, no doubt...

 

[colbysullivan]

I mean, Bama has played five top-25 defenses so far in 2024 and JM's QB rating ranks 15th in the country.

Again, he has gaping holes in his game, but goodness, the way some here post you'd think he couldn't throw a forward pass...

I mean, did you watch the South Carolina and Tennessee games?…..

 

[crimsonaudio]

I mean, did you watch the South Carolina and Tennessee games?…..

Yes, what part of those games discounts anything I posted? In fact, despite those games the numbers are what they are.

Maybe take your JM hatred down a notch? It's literally all you post about. We get it, you don't like him. Posting about it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over only annoys people trying to enjoy the forum. and discuss Alabama football.

 

[CoolBreeze]

I mean, Bama has played five top-25 defenses so far in 2024 and JM's QB rating ranks 15th in the country.

Again, he has gaping holes in his game, but goodness, the way some here post you'd think he couldn't throw a forward pass...

You know how it is after you follow Bryce, Mac, Tua and Jalen Hurts. Shoe sizes to fill are not in stock.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

You know how it is after you follow Bryce, Mac, Tua and Jalen Hurts. Shoe sizes to fill are not in stock.

If it were just that, then he'd be fine imo, but you gotta back to the pre Brodie days to find QB play as bad as we've gotten from Milroe. I've never been a fan of the run first QB not even Lamar Jackson. If you're gonna play QB, you gotta be a good passer. QBs like that rarely win championships

 

[Power Eye]

This could affect the accuracy of any QB

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851793855730876929

The least shocking news of the week that helmet communications are not secure.