Game Thread: Orange Bowl, CFP Semi : Penn State vs Notre Dame, 7:30PM ET, ESPN, 1-9-25

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Ok so just to be clear:

we HAD to expand the playoff so the little guys would get a chance they were being denied for championships and the first time we do, the national champion will either be the team with the 2nd most in the modern era, the team with the 4th most, or a team (Texas) with the 7th most.

There is more logic in someone arguing pro wrestling is real than in 99% of college football arguments.
They expanded the playoff for one thing and that is money. Nothing else.
 

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When is mediocrity 34-8 over last 3 year (we are 32-8) and playing in 6 major bowls in the last 9 years. Penn State has been a top 10 team for most of his tenure which is much better than they had been. They still have a bit of a stigma over the school from the Sandusky era which doesn’t help build them nationally. They are not in the best recruiting place as there just isn’t the same athletes in state like some areas. They have a pretty large fan base but so far have not put any big money into the nil transfer portal like say Ohio State another Big Ten team.
The problem is that when he is in a game against a team of equal talent, he can’t win.

The Penn State of the world are 9-win teams if you have a complete idiot running the show. Hell, Bill Curry won 10 games in a season at Alabama and did it to that pointwithout a defeat. And Pennsylvania is a substantially larger state with a substantially larger pool of football players than Alabama is.

As long as Franklin can put a team that is unquestionably athletically superior to the opponent, he doesn’t lose very often. The problem is, he is really only hired there to win 2 to 3 games a year that make the difference and more often than not he Falls flat on his face.
 

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The little guys need more of a helping hand. This first CFP clearly points that way. As diehard fans already knew, they were not ready for prime time. The four finalists were all POWER FIVE and not even one Group of five. Seriously, this fiasco cannot continue.
One option would be to give the G5 teams six downs and the P5 teams three downs to make a first down. Better yet the P5's would always begin with a 1st and 30. Changes must be made to keep the interest up, the rating and the $$$ flowing in.
 

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The problem is that when he is in a game against a team of equal talent, he can’t win.

The Penn State of the world are 9-win teams if you have a complete idiot running the show. Hell, Bill Curry won 10 games in a season at Alabama and did it to that pointwithout a defeat. And Pennsylvania is a substantially larger state with a substantially larger pool of football players than Alabama is.

As long as Franklin can put a team that is unquestionably athletically superior to the opponent, he doesn’t lose very often. The problem is, he is really only hired there to win 2 to 3 games a year that make the difference and more often than not he Falls flat on his face.
Truth if I've ever heard it! No way Franklin wins a CFP playoff. No way! I used to think it was his M.O. But now I am at a loss. This year he defiantly has all the tools, passing, running and rushing. How do PSU powers get rid of him, or do they even want a change?
 

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IDK about this.

1) Freeman’s teams play a lot more confident and competent than Kelly’s later ND teams.

2) Georgia had a competent quarterback playing in place of a turnover machine. I don’t think Carson Beck being in really changes the outcome. Where the game was lost was Kirby getting greedy at the end of the half and trusting Mike Bobo will save your offense

3) I think out of the four teams in the semis, ND might have the 2nd best resume. I have far more issues with PSU and Texas dodging tough schedules than I do ND. OSU barely gets by because they played Oregon twice and played Tennessee. Otherwise they aren’t that much different than the rest of the Final Four in playing weak competition
1. Kelly had ND in the championship in 2012. We will see how Freeman's career advances.

2. Just... no. This was that guy's first start ever. It's one thing to come off the bench later in the game against Texas and keep the momentum of the game going. It's quite another to make your first start in the playoffs. The game was lost because of turnovers and bad special teams play. If the guy that had started the previous 2 full seasons starts that game, then UGA probably wins by 10.

3. I do not necessarily disagree. It's still a poor resume.

Edited to add: By the way, I'm only responding to what I saw all over social media today, mocking Brian Kelly's statement that he was leaving ND so that he could compete for a title, and oh boy, look at what Freeman has done this year?! Well... Kelly already accomplished this at ND.

His point was, reaching the title game at ND actually go you no closer to winning the championship that if you were at Indiana. Because you couldn't get the talent to truly compete with the elites of the SEC, and your schedule at ND is why you made it that far, not because you were great yourself.

So we will see how Freeman does vs. Ohio State/Texas. And the other side of this coin is NIL/Portal has changed the paradigm from what it was when Kelly fled south to LSU.
 
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Any of the Alabama championship teams under Saban, and the two NC teams under Dabo would have obliterated those two teams last night. I would venture to say Kirby's two NC teams would have as well. They'd also beat the teeth out of this years Texas team as well. OSU would be a harder out but I still think any of those prior NC teams would beat them by ten. This years crop of college teams aren't dominant.
 

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Ok so just to be clear:

we HAD to expand the playoff so the little guys would get a chance they were being denied for championships and the first time we do, the national champion will either be the team with the 2nd most in the modern era, the team with the 4th most, or a team (Texas) with the 7th most.

There is more logic in someone arguing pro wrestling is real than in 99% of college football arguments.
It was never about getting the little guys a chance; it was about getting teams like the ones that are in the final 4 a chance.
 

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Any of the Alabama championship teams under Saban, and the two NC teams under Dabo would have obliterated those two teams last night. I would venture to say Kirby's two NC teams would have as well. They'd also beat the teeth out of this years Texas team as well. OSU would be a harder out but I still think any of those prior NC teams would beat them by ten. This years crop of college teams aren't dominant.
Yeah…we picked a bad year to suck…🤣
 

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