The Decline of the DNC II

[CrimsonJazz]

Biden was accused (and not very credibly) of rape prior to being elected.
Trump is an adjudicated rapist.

I never bought E. Jean Carrol's story (since it was ripped straight from an episode of Law and Order: SVU--right down to the name of the department store where the events allegedly happened.) The fact that the judge in the civil suit would not allow the defense to present this information to the jury told me all I needed to know about what was really going on.

As for Tara Reade, I pretty much shrugged my shoulders on that one, too. Biden's weirdness seemed to be contained to sniffing kids, not grown adults. 🤣

 

[cdub55]

Exclusive | Albany sneaks in budget language that would put NY taxpayers on the hook for Tish James’ legal bills if she’s probed by Trump admin

Taxpayers could be on the hook for legal bills New York Attorney General Letitia James racks up during Justice Department probes into her alleged fraudulent real estate dealings, reports claim.

nypost.com

I've thought about it and have come to this conclusion: it must suck to be a New Yorker.

I lived in NY for almost a year and much of NY isn't much different than the south. Obviously NY City is the first thing that comes to mind for people not from there but that place is an outlier to its surrounding cities. I went to a July 4th party up there in the country outside of Rochester and I was throwing corn hole and looking at deer grazing in a field. If didn't know any better I could have swore I was in South Georgia.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I lived in NY for almost a year and much of NY isn't much different than the south. Obviously NY City is the first thing that comes to mind for people not from there but that place is an outlier to its surrounding cities. I went to a July 4th party up there in the country outside of Rochester and I was throwing corn hole and looking at deer grazing in a field. If didn't know any better I could have swore I was in South Georgia.

You know, that's fair. But even those who aren't living in NYC are still being taxed to death, right? And for what? There are great people in every state and I feel bad for the ones who are victims to stuff like this.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

And by the way, it just occurred to me: wasn't Hogg ELECTED to this current position? Why do Democrats hate democracy?

 

[cdub55]

You know, that's fair. But even those who aren't living in NYC are still being taxed to death, right? And for what? There are great people in every state and I feel bad for the ones who are victims to stuff like this.

I wasn't disagreeing with you but just bringing some perspective to the state. It's unfortunate that so many people there are stuck in the politics that they are so heavily entrenched in.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

BREAKING: DNC Vice Chair David Hogg has been OUSTED from his position after a late-night vote despite considerable last minute lobbying from Tim Walz and James Carville.

Hogg now holds the record as the shortest tenure of a vice chair of the DNC.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922127763424629018

The implosion continues. Many of the things that fascinate me are pretty morbid and boy-howdy, does this fascinate me. What a train-wreck.

 

[Huckleberry]

How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump

At a fateful event last summer, Barack Obama, George Clooney, and others were stunned by Biden’s weakness and confusion. Why did he and his advisers decide to conceal his condition from the public and campaign for reëlection?

www.newyorker.com

How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump
At a fateful event last summer, Barack Obama, George Clooney, and others were stunned by Biden’s weakness and confusion. Why did he and his advisers decide to conceal his condition from the public and campaign for reelection?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Hakeem Jeffries threatens retaliation should Dems who stormed the NJ ICE facility be arrested:

"They'll find out. They’ll find out. They’ll find out. It’s a red line. They know better than to go down that road. There are clear lines that they dare not cross."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922341439997960402

 

[selmaborntidefan]

How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump

At a fateful event last summer, Barack Obama, George Clooney, and others were stunned by Biden’s weakness and confusion. Why did he and his advisers decide to conceal his condition from the public and campaign for reëlection?

www.newyorker.com

How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump
At a fateful event last summer, Barack Obama, George Clooney, and others were stunned by Biden’s weakness and confusion. Why did he and his advisers decide to conceal his condition from the public and campaign for reelection?

I love how Joe Biden gets the blame for his refusal to step aside while the people who were too afraid to approach him and tell him he needed to step aside - and oh yeah, ATTACKING REPUBLICANS FOR SAYING HE WASN'T UP TO THE JOB - I love how they all get a free pass in this thing.

And just like with the sudden shooting gallery on Fetterman, they would have continued lying if polls showed Biden seven points ahead in July.

The lack of "you know, we ARE to blame for what happened" with this party rivals the GOP. Then again, every lost election in American history has an excuse as to how the loser didn't lose because they got rejected but rather because the winner did something sinister or there was some sort of technicality.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

The lack of "you know, we ARE to blame for what happened" with this party rivals the GOP. Then again, every lost election in American history has an excuse as to how the loser didn't lose because they got rejected but rather because the winner did something sinister or there was some sort of technicality.

You know what I want to see? One day I was to see an election loser just come out and say what they are actually thinking. Just go off on the voting public and tell them how stupid they are for falling for the same lies and bull every four to eight years. Tell them that elections are nothing more than big suggestion boxes anyway. Tell them that no matter who is in office, it will be business as usual for the establishment. That would be a beautiful sight to see. And best of all, I want to see that person get snatched off the stage with an old Vaudeville hook.

 

[crimsonaudio]

How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump

At a fateful event last summer, Barack Obama, George Clooney, and others were stunned by Biden’s weakness and confusion. Why did he and his advisers decide to conceal his condition from the public and campaign for reëlection?

www.newyorker.com

How Joe Biden Handed the Presidency to Donald Trump
At a fateful event last summer, Barack Obama, George Clooney, and others were stunned by Biden’s weakness and confusion. Why did he and his advisers decide to conceal his condition from the public and campaign for reelection?

It's humorous they're trying to paint this as if Biden pulled a fast one on everyone when it was painfully obvious that for the last year-plus he was out to lunch. We discussed it regularly here, I was always amazed at people who couldn't or wouldn't see it.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

It's humorous they're trying to paint this as if Biden pulled a fast one on everyone when it was painfully obvious that for the last year-plus he was out to lunch. We discussed it regularly here, I was always amazed at people who couldn't or wouldn't see it.

"Biden fooled us" ranks right up there with the other party saying, "But we didn't think Trump meant it when he said X, he fooled us."

He didn't fool anybody.

Remember - OJ Simpson's legal team KNEW he did it, but they PRETENDED he didn't do it and spent the rest of their lives (Bob Kardashian excepted, and he got revenge with his family) insisting the jury saw "the real truth" and oh yeah, the prosecution, LAPD, and everyone was a bunch of racists!

His biggest mistake was choosing a mediocrity as a running mate. If he had simply chosen a ready for prime time playa, a smooth transition from Biden to Person X would have been easier.

And Tapper is gaslighting us all, too, pretending he wasn't part of the cabal of "hey, we don't want Trump to win so there!"

 

[Bamaro]

I love how Joe Biden gets the blame for his refusal to step aside while the people who were too afraid to approach him and tell him he needed to step aside - and oh yeah, ATTACKING REPUBLICANS FOR SAYING HE WASN'T UP TO THE JOB - I love how they all get a free pass in this thing.

And just like with the sudden shooting gallery on Fetterman, they would have continued lying if polls showed Biden seven points ahead in July.

The lack of "you know, we ARE to blame for what happened" with this party rivals the GOP. Then again, every lost election in American history has an excuse as to how the loser didn't lose because they got rejected but rather because the winner did something sinister or there was some sort of technicality.

A big part of the problem was the alternative that we were left with. Both the probable Biden replacement and the near certain aspect of trump winning the republican nomination.
Talk about a rock and a hard place!

 

[selmaborntidefan]

A big part of the problem was the alternative that we were left with. Both the probable Biden replacement and the near certain aspect of trump winning the republican nomination.
Talk about a rock and a hard place!

If the media had not participated in the cover-up, the Democrats wouldn't have gotten away with it so easily. If the media REALLY did its job of "speaking truth to power" not only for the party they don't like but for the party nearly all of them support, we might not be in this mess.

But nobody needs to insult my intelligence with "but Trump was different."

Donald Trump wasn't involved in any way when CBS conspired with the Kerry campaign to manufacture a story suggesting W went AWOL. So the idea this shameless bias began with Donald Trump is every bit the lie that "Biden is John Travolta when the cameras are off" was.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

A big part of the problem was the alternative that we were left with. Both the probable Biden replacement and the near certain aspect of trump winning the republican nomination.
Talk about a rock and a hard place!

Btw, I read this from a different aspect when I looked at it again.

OK, we were left with a bad alternative to Biden......chosen by......Biden.

Let me say this: the choice of VP is - as one commentator put it:

In the Vice-Presidency lies all the potential power of the Presidency itself—yet the choice is the most perfunctory and generally the most thoughtless in the entire American political system.
(Theodore H. White, "The Making of the President, 1972," 228).

Biden was not the first Presidential nominee to pick somebody hoping to add or lock down some votes, although the choice of VP matters to virtually nobody. Generally speaking, there aren't enough voters who say "well, I was for McCain, but he chose Palin, so therefore I'm voting for OBAMA."

But Biden was the first one who was going to celebrate his 80th birthday in the White House and should have taken his choice far more seriously as "this person has an above normal chance of becoming President someday." With maybe the exception of Clinton choosing Gore in 1992, almost every single VP choice made by both of the major parties has pretty much ALWAYS been "to lock down or add votes I don't already have." That isn't to say that LBJ, GHW Bush, or Jack Kemp weren't qualified - but let's face it, Agnew/Ferraro/Quayle/Palin most certainly were not.

In the end, "well, we were stuck with a bad choice as our nominee" is a reflection of a failure on the part of the one who selected that person.

 

[Bamaro]

If the media had not participated in the cover-up, the Democrats wouldn't have gotten away with it so easily. If the media REALLY did its job of "speaking truth to power" not only for the party they don't like but for the party nearly all of them support, we might not be in this mess.

But nobody needs to insult my intelligence with "but Trump was different."

Donald Trump wasn't involved in any way when CBS conspired with the Kerry campaign to manufacture a story suggesting W went AWOL. So the idea this shameless bias began with Donald Trump is every bit the lie that "Biden is John Travolta when the cameras are off" was.

In all fairness, the fault falls directly on Dan Rather and CBS was secondary in not catching the error before going to air. Rather paid for it in the end.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

In the end, "well, we were stuck with a bad choice as our nominee" is a reflection of a failure on the part of the one who selected that person.

Considering how severely Harris attacked Biden in the primary, I have to question how much of the Harris decision was really his. Word around the campfire is that Biden did not like Harris and never did. I mean, I get it; hindsight is 20/20 given that we now know that Biden was actually in charge of very little during his presidency, but even at the time, I found his choice to be eyebrow-raising considering her poll numbers when she mercifully dropped out of the race.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

In all fairness, the fault falls directly on Dan Rather and CBS was secondary in not catching the error before going to air. Rather paid for it in the end.

True, but if Rather pulled that stunt today, I can guarantee you the consequences wouldn't be as severe (indeed, if there were any at all.)

 

[Huckleberry]

I mean, I get it; hindsight is 20/20 given that we now know that Biden was actually in charge of very little during his presidency,

I’ve seen this assertion made in various places, but the evidence seems to be lacking. Though it appears clear that Biden had some sort of medical event in the fall of 2023 that directly led to the 2024 behaviors described by Clooney (and others) as well as the debate debacle, prior to that time there’s no hard evidence that the president wasn’t capable of fulfilling his normal duties. Certainly he was showing his age, but that’s a far cry from being unable to serve.

As always, I could be wrong. If you have real evidence that Biden was merely a figurehead throughout his term, I’d be very interested in reading about it.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I’ve seen this assertion made in various places, but the evidence seems to be lacking. Though it appears clear that Biden had some sort of medical event in the fall of 2023 that directly led to the 2024 behaviors described by Clooney (and others) as well as the debate debacle, prior to that time there’s no hard evidence that the president wasn’t capable of fulfilling his normal duties. Certainly he was showing his age, but that’s a far cry from being unable to serve.

As always, I could be wrong. If you have real evidence that Biden was merely a figurehead throughout his term, I’d be very interested in reading about it.

I suppose if you want to spend the money, you could always read Tapper's new book. Or save your money and remind yourself that this coverup had started before the 2020 election. There's a reason he barely campaigned. And look, at the time I wasn't happy with Trump after the whole COVID fiasco so that made it easy to vote for neither of these guys. I knew I wouldn't, so I wasn't reading something into Biden's behavior, speech and body language that wasn't there because of an agenda of justifying a vote for Trump like so many of Biden's other critics.

Truth is, Biden scared me. A lot of people wrote off his weirdness as "gaffes" an presented them as harmless, but anyone with experience with this sort of thing knows better. This man was in charge of the U.S. military for God's sake! And what's worse, he looked and sounded feeble from the get. I don't usually agree with Trump when he stands up and brags about himself (it's extremely repulsive.) I do, however, agree with him that Putin likely doesn't invade Ukraine if Trump is still in office.

I could go on and on about this, but I won't. And let me be clear: once I realized what was really happening in the White House, I was far less contemptuous towards Biden. In the end, the only emotion I could really generate for the guy was pity. I more or less shifted my contempt to the people who were clearly manipulating him (starting with his wife.)