FSU shooting: Two dead; six injured after police say deputy's son opened fire on campus
FSU reeling after "tragic and senseless act of violence at the heart of our campus."
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Mass/Active Shooters, Part **FIVE**
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I am sure there is going to be a bumper crop of tots and pears coming up soon.
Rubio:
Jeanette and I are thinking of the @FloridaState community following today's tragic incident.
We're united in prayer for the students, faculty, and all individuals impacted by this horrific event.
2 killed and 5 injured in mass shooting at Florida State University
I don't know. Apparently, he is actually her stepson. He's also a troubled kid. https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-...deputy-heres-what-else-we-know-151349134.html
Is there any indication that the shooter specifically targeted the victims? Or were they just incredibly unfortunate strangers who crossed the perp's path by random happenstance?
And what should be done about gun violence?
I wish I had a good answer for that one. I do think the ways to reduce mass shootings are different from the ways to reduce the majority of gun crimes -- the ones that don't make headlines.
For mass shooters, especially younger ones -- and a disproportionate share of them do seem to be white males under 30 -- the shooting event isn't usually the first symptom of a serious mental problem.
So part of the solution could be assigning some legal responsibility for adult members of the shooter's household who either (1) didn't secure their own weapons, or (2) assisted the unstable family member in obtaining the weapons.
For more targeted gun violence -- the kind that takes the most lives but does it in ones and twos and therefore doesn't garner national headlines -- the only solution I can think of is harsher punishment. As in, if you're convicted of murder, and you used a gun to do it, it's life without parole. Or death. That applies regardless of whether you came into possession of the murder weapon through legal or illegal means.
No, that wouldn't deter anyone who doesn't value their own life and therefore doesn't care what the punishment might be. But part of the reason for prison is to protect the public by keeping these people off the street. Longer sentences would do that.
To reduce both types of shooters: If you're convicted of any violent crime, especially including domestic violence, your right to own or possess a gun of any description is revoked for a minimum of 10 years. If you went to jail for the crime, the 10 years starts running the day you get released. Depending on the severity of the violence, it can be longer.
Additionally, so long as you're under a restraining order, (1) your right to own or possess a gun is revoked, (2) no resident of your household may keep a gun on the premises, and (3) residents of your household are responsible for securing any weapons they might own but keep off-premises.
Establish a safe harbor federal background check process. Anyone who sells a gun to another person, but doesn't go through the background check process before handing over possession, is co-responsible for whatever crimes might be committed with the gun.
None of this is perfect. There will be downsides to all of these proposals, and none will be 100% effective.
So I'd love to hear some other ideas that will (1) have a snowball's chance in a blast furnace of standing up in court, and (2) have a realistic chance of at least reducing the problem.
And what should be done about gun violence?
I wish I had a good answer for that one. I do think the ways to reduce mass shootings are different from the ways to reduce the majority of gun crimes -- the ones that don't make headlines.
For mass shooters, especially younger ones -- and a disproportionate share of them do seem to be white males under 30 -- the shooting event isn't usually the first symptom of a serious mental problem.
So part of the solution could be assigning some legal responsibility for adult members of the shooter's household who either (1) didn't secure their own weapons, or (2) assisted the unstable family member in obtaining the weapons.
For more targeted gun violence -- the kind that takes the most lives but does it in ones and twos and therefore doesn't garner national headlines -- the only solution I can think of is harsher punishment. As in, if you're convicted of murder, and you used a gun to do it, it's life without parole. Or death. That applies regardless of whether you came into possession of the murder weapon through legal or illegal means.
No, that wouldn't deter anyone who doesn't value their own life and therefore doesn't care what the punishment might be. But part of the reason for prison is to protect the public by keeping these people off the street. Longer sentences would do that.
To reduce both types of shooters: If you're convicted of any violent crime, especially including domestic violence, your right to own or possess a gun of any description is revoked for a minimum of 10 years. If you went to jail for the crime, the 10 years starts running the day you get released. Depending on the severity of the violence, it can be longer.
Additionally, so long as you're under a restraining order, (1) your right to own or possess a gun is revoked, (2) no resident of your household may keep a gun on the premises, and (3) residents of your household are responsible for securing any weapons they might own but keep off-premises.
Establish a safe harbor federal background check process. Anyone who sells a gun to another person, but doesn't go through the background check process before handing over possession, is co-responsible for whatever crimes might be committed with the gun.
None of this is perfect. There will be downsides to all of these proposals, and none will be 100% effective.
So I'd love to hear some other ideas that will (1) have a snowball's chance in a blast furnace of standing up in court, and (2) have a realistic chance of at least reducing the problem.
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Maybe this isn't realistic, but I would make it to where you had to take a gun safety course and pass a written test along with actually demonstrating you can handle a gun and follow safety protocols. This is similar to how people acquire drivers licenses. The inconvenience of this would limit the people who buy guns to only people who are passionate about hunting, or shooting for sport.
Several survivors of the Parkland mass shooting go to FSU now. They've now been through two campus lockdowns due to crazy mass shooters. Can you imagine what that must be like? They've only recently torn down the old Stoneman Douglas high school building since they've needed it standing as is for legal reasons, though I still don't know exactly what. My good friend had to pass by it on her way to visit her daughter who lives down near there. It never failed to give her chills as she went past. That friend's daughter and my kids all went to FSU. Somehow, this kind of thing hits much harder when it happens nearby or has personal connections.
Good Lord.
The spring after the massive tornado went through central Alabama, my wife was chaperoning the Minor High prom. An hour in, a tornado started forming near the venue (The Harbert Center), and everyone had to take shelter in the stairwells. One of the students had lost their home and a family member during the previous storm, and when she could clearly hear the sound of the storm from the stairwell, she had a massive panic attack.
It had to have been much worse for the Parkland shooting at FSU.
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Good grief!
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Police: Mom bought ammo, tactical gear for son, who was planning ‘mass targeted violence’ at Texas school
A mom was accused of buying ammunition, tactical gear and magazines for her middle school son’s planned mass shooting at a Texas school, authorities said in court documents.
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Attack on Pearl Street; 8 Victims Identified | City of Boulder
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What does this attack and the others in this thread have in common?
Hint: It's not guns!
“Boulder is not immune to tragedy sadly and I know a lot of people are scared right now and questioning how this happened and why. Boulder has recovered from acts of violence before and we will again recover. I urge this community to come together. Now is not the time to be divisive,” Boulder Police Chief Stephen Redfearn said.
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Don't feel bad if you don't know the answer to my question.
Even many of the "experts"......do not understand.
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Don't feel bad if you don't know the answer to my question.
Even many of the "experts"......do not understand.
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