Israel launches preemptive attacks against Iran (US bombs Iran)...

[Its On A Slab]

On this side trail - I understand Dr. Nichols is a Republican (one who - wait for it - left the party over Trump), and yes this is ten years old. But he was never an instinctive critic of President Obama, either, and he repeatedly is telling the Twitterati they don't have the first clue what they're talking about. This is his assessment in 2015 on the Iran nuke deal that - in the "Blame Trump" chorus - caused this:


Enough Is Enough: Time to Ditch the Iran Nuclear Talks - The National Interest

It’s time to walk away from the Iran negotiations. They have failed in their purpose, and they are putting stress not only our alliances but on our own politics beyond whatever worth there may be in a nominal deal at this point. We had one goal – to extinguish Iran’s ability to build a nuclear weapon – and we will not achieve it. Is the “process” really worth the price now?

Yet many here would tell us that we MUST negotiate with people like Vladimir Putin, who thumbs his nose at diplomacy. Laughing all the while.

Oo! Oo! Oo! He's got nukes! We have to let him continue. Unabated. America First.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

The diff is that Iran is motivated by religion (of pieces).

They cannot have a nuke. Not one.

That was my first thought. I don't know of any other nation with maniacal theocrats in charge. The danger is multiplied many times over a Pakistan or even a North Korea...

 

[2003TIDE]

IDF reporting they have achieved freedom of operation over Tehran’s airspace. Doesn’t seem like Iran has anything that can touch a F-35……

If that truly is the case, this is over. Israel is about to bomb the crap out of Natanz. Not sure they have anything that can go that deep, but I’m sure they will try.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Oh boy…

Israel has officially requested that the United States join its ongoing operation against Iran, particularly targeting underground nuclear facilities such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), which the Israeli Air Force does not have the means to effectively strike without “bunker busters” like the GBU-57A/B MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933968430740439388

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

Sorry, but this is about as preemptive as the bombardment of Iwo Jima. This week’s actions are just the most recent - and not the final - retaliatory engagement in response to the October 7 massacre, the end result of which will (or at least ought to) be the destruction of Iran’s nuclear, conventional, and proxy forces and the toppling of its regime…

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

Oh boy…

Israel has officially requested that the United States join its ongoing operation against Iran, particularly targeting underground nuclear facilities such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), which the Israeli Air Force does not have the means to effectively strike without “bunker busters” like the GBU-57A/B MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933968430740439388

Send in the MOPs…

 

[81usaf92]

Oh boy…

Israel has officially requested that the United States join its ongoing operation against Iran, particularly targeting underground nuclear facilities such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), which the Israeli Air Force does not have the means to effectively strike without “bunker busters” like the GBU-57A/B MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933968430740439388

So they start something against a legitimate force after we told them not to, act tough after doing it,then get attacked, and finally ask us to clean up their mess…

 

[81usaf92]

That was my first thought. I don't know of any other nation with maniacal theocrats in charge. The danger is multiplied many times over a Pakistan or even a North Korea...

The fact Bibi has access to them worries me every time his popularity numbers are down.

 

[2003TIDE]

So they start something against a legitimate force after we told them not to, act tough after doing it,then get attacked, and finally ask us to clean up their mess…

I don’t believe this narrative. Trump remembers the Iran assassination plot…

Not that I don’t believe the diplomatic approach is best, but if Israel demolishes the entire Iranian Air Force, all the scientists, and SAM sites then a few B-2’s obliterate their underground enrichment facility, I wouldn’t shed a tear.

 

[UAH]

With all of Israels success at decapitating Iranian leadership count we perplexed as to why they have not been in a position to take out ballistic missile and drone supplies. I recall the search for mobile SCUDS in Iraq that were being fired from the desert. In this case with their obvious deep penetration of Iran by Mossad and Israel's complete air superiority it is difficult for me to understand the number of ballistic missiles still hitting Israel.

 

[81usaf92]

I don’t believe this narrative. Trump remembers the Iran assassination plot…

Not that I don’t believe the diplomatic approach is best, but if Israel demolishes the entire Iranian Air Force, all the scientists, and SAM sites then a few B-2’s obliterate their underground enrichment facility, I wouldn’t shed a tear.

If…. Is the optimal word.

The issues with Iran is that the US would have to get involved if Bibi’s reasoning to go this direction is to be a success. While Trump says he supports Israel and is committed to aiding them vs Iran he risks angering Putin by doing this, and risks a huge and unpredictable power vacuum if they are successful.
Iran is in a very precarious state in which alot of its people have started to resist its government. However, there is no clear alternative to it. If we were to topple the Ayatollah’s regime then we could face another post Gaddafi Libya situation in which it’s a fight between gangs for control over the country. And there is no guarantee a friendly government triumphs in that fact.

To make matters worse, you have to remember Iran is Persian and Shia, and are surrounded by Sunni Arab countries. A Sunni-Shia or a Persian-Arab war would be horrible for everyone. Remember the Iran-Iraq war…. That’s what you are looking forward to.

Yeah I guess for most the end of a hostile regime is good even with the consequences it produces. But I’m also reminded of Iraq and Yugoslavia too. Everyone can get behind a plan to kill the violent dictator but no one can agree on a plan for what comes next

I wish we could go back to the days where Iran was our counterbalance to the Saudis. I also wish Iran would depose the Ayatollah but I fear if it’s the US and Israel doing it then it more than likely produces a worse state. So I will say that I hope this whole thing is very limited because it could have far reaching consequences that we aren’t prepared for if we put our thumb on the scale. Remember… Iran in the 50’s was a Constitutional monarchy that operated more like the UK, and the Ayatollah was seen as a crazy nut stuck in the past. That all changed when we chased Mossadegh out of town for wanting Iran to get a fair share of the oil that they produced and we effectively made the Shah an absolute monarch. Little did we know that almost 20 years later what the consequences of putting our thumb down in the Middle East would do…. But hey, we surely learned our lesson about establishing puppet governments friendly to the US after that.

 

[bamaga]

If…. Is the optimal word.

The issues with Iran is that the US would have to get involved if Bibi’s reasoning to go this direction is to be a success. While Trump says he supports Israel and is committed to aiding them vs Iran he risks angering Putin by doing this, and risks a huge and unpredictable power vacuum if they are successful.
Iran is in a very precarious state in which alot of its people have started to resist its government. However, there is no clear alternative to it. If we were to topple the Ayatollah’s regime then we could face another post Gaddafi Libya situation in which it’s a fight between gangs for control over the country. And there is no guarantee a friendly government triumphs in that fact.

To make matters worse, you have to remember Iran is Persian and Shia, and are surrounded by Sunni Arab countries. A Sunni-Shia or a Persian-Arab war would be horrible for everyone. Remember the Iran-Iraq war…. That’s what you are looking forward to.

Yeah I guess for most the end of a hostile regime is good even with the consequences it produces. But I’m also reminded of Iraq and Yugoslavia too. Everyone can get behind a plan to kill the violent dictator but no one can agree on a plan for what comes next

I wish we could go back to the days where Iran was our counterbalance to the Saudis. I also wish Iran would depose the Ayatollah but I fear if it’s the US and Israel doing it then it more than likely produces a worse state. So I will say that I hope this whole thing is very limited because it could have far reaching consequences that we aren’t prepared for if we put our thumb on the scale. Remember… Iran in the 50’s was a Constitutional monarchy that operated more like the UK, and the Ayatollah was seen as a crazy nut stuck in the past. That all changed when we chased Mossadegh out of town for wanting Iran to get a fair share of the oil that they produced and we effectively made the Shah an absolute monarch. Little did we know that almost 20 years later what the consequences of putting our thumb down in the Middle East would do…. But hey, we surely learned our lesson about establishing puppet governments friendly to the US after that.

Bravo, I was about to post something similiar. You did it much better. Sure everyone wants regime change in Tehran, but would the power vacuum maintain the very fragile stability in the region?

 

[bamaga]

How will Putin react to the destruction of a major supplier of cheap , mid level tech weapons to their war effort.

 

[Tidewater]

This was a kind of a funny take.

how [angry] do you think Iran is that they’re trying to establish themselves as a true power and people are arguing about Kirby Smart in the replies

Iran Military
@IRIran_Military • 11h
... This will not be a mere demonstration of will or technological capability.
This time, our response will be lethal.

big content guy &
@bigcontentguy •6h g weak schedule. don't play anybody, eaten alive in the SEC

@OutOfKenTroll • 2h Kirby smart hasn't lost a home game in years and Iran just got their doors blown off on their own turf.

Sean Nowell @sean nowell • 52m He plays Texas, Alabama, and Ole Miss at home this year. Surely he drops at least one if not more of those. Not a knock on him, but a sweep of all 3 would be incredible for any coach to pull off

 

[bamamc1]

This was a kind of a funny take.

how [angry] do you think Iran is that they’re trying to establish themselves as a true power and people are arguing about Kirby Smart in the replies

Iran Military
@IRIran_Military • 11h
... This will not be a mere demonstration of will or technological capability.
This time, our response will be lethal.

big content guy &
@bigcontentguy •6h g weak schedule. don't play anybody, eaten alive in the SEC

@OutOfKenTroll • 2h Kirby smart hasn't lost a home game in years and Iran just got their doors blown off on their own turf.

Sean Nowell @sean nowell • 52m He plays Texas, Alabama, and Ole Miss at home this year. Surely he drops at least one if not more of those. Not a knock on him, but a sweep of all 3 would be incredible for any coach to pull off

A Kirby coached Iran at home would be fine until Israel showed up with a mobile quarterback (blue font)

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

Bravo, I was about to post something similiar. You did it much better. Sure everyone wants regime change in Tehran, but would the power vacuum maintain the very fragile stability in the region?

I'm not after gratuitous regime change but the destruction of Iran's nuclear program. I have tried and failed to come up with a scenario in which a non-nuclear Iran, whatever the knock-on effects, is an inferior outcome...

 

[81usaf92]

I'm not after gratuitous regime change but the destruction of Iran's nuclear program. I have tried and failed to come up with a scenario in which a non-nuclear Iran, whatever the knock-on effects, is an inferior outcome...

It’s not possible without the US and/or Russian involvement. So you are effectively talking about a forced regime change or diplomatic intervention. Israel has shot their shot against someone that is more than just a bunch of rabble rowsers and you are seeing the limitations of their military might.

 

[Bamaro]

Oh boy…

Israel has officially requested that the United States join its ongoing operation against Iran, particularly targeting underground nuclear facilities such as the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), which the Israeli Air Force does not have the means to effectively strike without “bunker busters” like the GBU-57A/B MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1933968430740439388

I haven't been able to find any substantive reporting on this request by Israel
Iran will have to cross a red line before we will drop one or two of those on them.

 

[Tidewater]

I haven't been able to find any substantive reporting on this request by Israel
Iran will have to cross a red line before we will drop one or two of those on them.

My read on Trump is that he does not want to drop anything on them.
Whacking Suleimani, the IRGC guy, while he is inside Iraq is one thing. Bombing Iranians inside Iran would be another.

 

[dayhiker]

This was a kind of a funny take.

how [angry] do you think Iran is that they’re trying to establish themselves as a true power and people are arguing about Kirby Smart in the replies

Iran Military
@IRIran_Military • 11h
... This will not be a mere demonstration of will or technological capability.
This time, our response will be lethal.

big content guy &
@bigcontentguy •6h g weak schedule. don't play anybody, eaten alive in the SEC

@OutOfKenTroll • 2h Kirby smart hasn't lost a home game in years and Iran just got their doors blown off on their own turf.

Sean Nowell @sean nowell • 52m He plays Texas, Alabama, and Ole Miss at home this year. Surely he drops at least one if not more of those. Not a knock on him, but a sweep of all 3 would be incredible for any coach to pull off

Is big content guy similar to 3yearletterman?