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I am trying to figure out how the press rolling over for Obama (true - to a point) has anything to do with the fact Obama didn’t send a bunch of ICE agents into targeted cities and stand up there boasting about how he was doing it because of what a failure the mayor or representatives of that state or city were doing.

It’s almost like having the ability to keep your damn mouth shut enables you to accomplish more.

It’s almost like there’s a politically effective way to do the exact same thing and the Donald Trump Way, which always involves pounding your chest like a gorilla throwing crap at the zoo.

(Much of the “soft coverage” on Obama, sans the bootlickers at MSDNC, had to do with the unique perspective of mostly white journalists having to cover a black president and being afraid of their own shadows that someone would call them a racist, regardless of if they told the truth. It should be noted this was a two-way compromise since Obama often withheld honest reactions out of fear of being seen as the angry black man).
 
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If the Senate does not pass the SAVE Act and/or schedule a date for a vote by the time we return, I have enough votes from other members to shut down the floor of the House.

We are not going to play games—especially given that half of the Republicans in both the House and Senate are concerned about their reelection and want the floor open for their messaging bills.

They are not allowed to hide behind the president and his agenda while knifing the American people in the back. They need legislation for their elections, so they MUST pass the SAVE Act. Election integrity is the most important issue in this country for the future of our nation.

 
If the Senate does not pass the SAVE Act and/or schedule a date for a vote by the time we return, I have enough votes from other members to shut down the floor of the House.

We are not going to play games—especially given that half of the Republicans in both the House and Senate are concerned about their reelection and want the floor open for their messaging bills.

They are not allowed to hide behind the president and his agenda while knifing the American people in the back. They need legislation for their elections, so they MUST pass the SAVE Act. Election integrity is the most important issue in this country for the future of our nation.


Nobody will ever tell that hack to "dumb it down".

And she only has a seat because of DeSantis's 2022 redistricting so listening to her whine about election reform is about like listening to Jimmy Swaggart give a sermon on faithfulness to one's spouse.
 
Nobody will ever tell that hack to "dumb it down".

And she only has a seat because of DeSantis's 2022 redistricting so listening to her whine about election reform is about like listening to Jimmy Swaggart give a sermon on faithfulness to one's spouse.
They know without it they are going to lose in RED districts, that's how bad it is...
 
They know without it they are going to lose in RED districts, that's how bad it is...

I think what is so funny is this: if Trump can REALLY turn out the vote with his so-called coattails, why does his party keep losing Congressional races and control of the houses?

They lost a SENATE seat IN ALABAMA because Trump's power is so weak, he endorsed Luther Strange, who couldn't beat all-around crackpot Roy Moore in a REPUBLICAN primary. Strange lost the primary and then the GOP lost the seat.

Donald Trump has managed to give the DEMOCRATIC PARTY Senate seats in:
Alabama - when he chose Sessions (whom he fired) and then wound up with Roy Moore as nominee
Arizona - Flake quit over Trump and Sinema won the seat, it's now held by Gallego
Georgia - somehow - SOMEHOW - Trump has managed to go 0-for-3 in 3 Senate races in GEORGIA.....

They got the Alabama seat back, which was inevitable.

He lost the Senate in 2020 (and in all honesty, the GOP win in 2018 is because 26 of the 33 seats up were Democrats and several - McCaskill (MO), Heitkamp (ND), Nelson (FL) - were "mostly" flukes in the first place. Remember, he lost Corker in TN as well, who left over Trump but Blackburn won the race).

He lost 41 House seats in 2018.
The GOP picked up 13 House seats in 2020....but that's because 12 of those who lost were freshmen, who are most vulnerable to losing

He's gerrymandered districts in TX, which is actually going to cause his party more problems at holding previously "safe" seats because they went with narrower margins.

But you have to go Full Trump (Insert "Tropic Thunder" paraphrasing here).

The brutal reality is that virtually no Presidents ever have coattails - it's a media creation. The GOP didn't gain the Senate in 1980 because "Reagan had coattails" and they didn't lose them in 1986 because he didn't. It's like voter fraud - yeah, it happens but there aren't enough people who go into the booth and say, "You know, I like that Roy Moore creep but Trump tells me I should vote for Luther Strange" to matter.
 
I think what is so funny is this: if Trump can REALLY turn out the vote with his so-called coattails, why does his party keep losing Congressional races and control of the houses?

They lost a SENATE seat IN ALABAMA because Trump's power is so weak, he endorsed Luther Strange, who couldn't beat all-around crackpot Roy Moore in a REPUBLICAN primary. Strange lost the primary and then the GOP lost the seat.

Donald Trump has managed to give the DEMOCRATIC PARTY Senate seats in:
Alabama - when he chose Sessions (whom he fired) and then wound up with Roy Moore as nominee
Arizona - Flake quit over Trump and Sinema won the seat, it's now held by Gallego
Georgia - somehow - SOMEHOW - Trump has managed to go 0-for-3 in 3 Senate races in GEORGIA.....

They got the Alabama seat back, which was inevitable.

He lost the Senate in 2020 (and in all honesty, the GOP win in 2018 is because 26 of the 33 seats up were Democrats and several - McCaskill (MO), Heitkamp (ND), Nelson (FL) - were "mostly" flukes in the first place. Remember, he lost Corker in TN as well, who left over Trump but Blackburn won the race).

He lost 41 House seats in 2018.
The GOP picked up 13 House seats in 2020....but that's because 12 of those who lost were freshmen, who are most vulnerable to losing

He's gerrymandered districts in TX, which is actually going to cause his party more problems at holding previously "safe" seats because they went with narrower margins.

But you have to go Full Trump (Insert "Tropic Thunder" paraphrasing here).

The brutal reality is that virtually no Presidents ever have coattails - it's a media creation. The GOP didn't gain the Senate in 1980 because "Reagan had coattails" and they didn't lose them in 1986 because he didn't. It's like voter fraud - yeah, it happens but there aren't enough people who go into the booth and say, "You know, I like that Roy Moore creep but Trump tells me I should vote for Luther Strange" to matter.
MAGA voters have developed a bizarre habit of not showing up at the polls unless Trump's name is on the ballot somewhere. Making matters worse for Reps, a lot of voters are still super angry at the do-nothing Reps of yester-year fighting the Trump administration on codifying DOGE cuts and it would seem the Trump administration itself hasn't taken any particular strides toward securing our elections. It makes me wonder if the Trump administration is even trying to listen to their own supporters. If the Reps lose the mid-terms, it will be because of this.
 
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Federal investigators raided an election office in Fulton County, Ga., Wednesday in a case related to the 2020 vote, a Justice Department official told The Post.

FBI officers are acting on a search warrant, but no more details were immediately available.
 
MAGA voters have developed a bizarre habit of not showing up at the polls unless Trump's name is on the ballot somewhere.

That's because it's a cult and not a political party.

Making matters worse for Reps, a lot of voters are still super angry at the do-nothing Reps of yester-year fighting the Trump administration on codifying DOGE cuts

This is quite an interesting 180 spin from reality. If the cuts happened anyway and the voters are happy about it, voting for a Democrat (or not at all) is the dumbest thing possible but I learned long ago the average Trump voter thinks the infield fly rule is what happens when an infielder gets a bug in his eye on an infield pop up.

and it would seem the Trump administration itself hasn't taken any particular strides toward securing our elections.

I know this must be news to you since it's been covered on this board ad nauseum, but it's called elections are controlled by the STATES, not by the Lonesome Loser.

It makes me wonder if the Trump administration is even trying to listen to their own supporters.

No, because Donald Trump doesn't listen to ANYBODY.

If the Reps lose the mid-terms, it will be because of this.

They're going to lose bigly because:
a) Trump is so dumb, he thought turning R+15 districts into tossups in Texas because he'd have more R+5 districts and they couldn't lose was a great idea
b) people are sick of him raising their prices with his tariffs nonsense
c) ICE, who supposedly is here to protect us from violent criminals, is a cure worse than the disease, having killed a lesbian and a nurse in Minneapolis but not really any Mexican Charles Mansons
 

Millions of Americans Lack Voter ID Documents Lawmakers Want to Require​

In 2023, only two types of ID were common to states with voter ID laws: a current driver’s license or a state ID. Information on the American public’s possession of voter ID hadn’t been updated in nearly 20 years, so we partnered with the Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement (CDCE) at the University of Maryland, the Brennan Center for Justice, and Public Wise on a multiphase research project to better understand how many voters in the US lack ID.

Our report found that as of 2020, 29 million eligible voters lacked a current driver’s license, and over 7 million lacked a current government-issued photo ID.

We released the next research phase in 2024 which involved a new national study fielded in the fall of 2023. This time, we examined not just who in America lacks ID but also why.

As our Legal Director wrote in a Democracy Docket op-ed:

“Our findings confirmed what we at VoteRiders have known for quite some time through our work across the country: voter ID laws are wreaking havoc on the voting process, confusing voters, and restricting the right to vote. And these rules harm some communities more than others – effectively distorting our electorate and undermining our democracy.“
This time, our research revealed that over 34.5 million Americans either don’t have a driver’s license or state ID OR have one that doesn’t have their current name and/or address on it. This could possibly cause difficulties voting in states with strict ID laws, like Arizona.

We also found evidence of racial gaps in these numbers: citizens of color are almost 4x more likely to not have a current government-issued photo ID compared to white citizens.

Another key takeaway from our study is that voter ID laws create widespread voter confusion. Over half of Americans living in states that require photo ID to vote in person don’t even know their state’s laws and don’t realize they’ll need this type of identification to cast a ballot successfully. 35% of citizens who live in states that don’t have a photo ID law either mistakenly think it’s required to vote in person or are unsure what their state’s voter law even is.


19% of Americans without a driver’s license said they didn’t have one because of bureaucratic or economic barriers, such as not being able to afford the license or not having underlying documents like a birth certificate or Social Security card. On average, a copy of a birth certificate costs $50, more than five hours of minimum wage work in many states.

The barriers voter ID laws create for eligible voters have only worsened. At the start of the 2025 legislative session, House Republicans reintroduced the SAVE Act. This bill would require every American to show a document proving US citizenship (such as a passport or birth certificate) to register to vote or update their voter registration.

Our research shows that under the SAVE Act, millions of eligible US citizens would be unable to vote because 21 million Americans—1 in 10 adult citizens—don’t have easy access to proof of citizenship documents. US citizens of color are also more likely than white citizens not to have documents that prove their citizenship. For example, older Black voters in the South and Indigenous Americans who were not born in a hospital may not have a birth certificate at all.

The SAVE Act will also increase the likelihood of being wrongfully purged from state voter rolls. The bill includes measures that would mistakenly flag lawfully registered US citizen voters as ineligible and allow states to purge their voter rolls without notifying voters before removing them. This would mean already-registered Americans wouldn’t even know they were removed from the rolls until they showed up to vote and learned they were no longer registered.

Like other voter ID laws, the SAVE Act is a solution in search of a problem. Current Federal laws already have checks and balances to ensure that only US citizens register and vote. Every state requires that voters confirm their US citizenship when they register, under penalty of perjury. The existing penalties for non-US citizens who attempt to vote in federal elections are steep and severe, including criminal penalties, fines, and deportation.
 
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CNN’s Pollster issues DEATH SENTENCE for Democrats on Voter ID:Black Voters: 76% want itWhite voters: 85% want itLatino voters: 82% want itThe Senate must pass the SAVE Act.

(Directed toward MAGA extremist Benny Johnson, not you CA):

Supporting voter ID is not the same thing as supporting the SAVE Act.

You can favor secure elections and still oppose laws that make it unnecessarily harder for eligible citizens to register or vote. Voter ID in principle should mean that every eligible voter can easily get an ID at no cost, without jumping through hoops, without long travel, without missing work, and without navigating paperwork that millions of people do not have.

The SAVE Act does the opposite. It deliberately adds barriers that disproportionately affect certain eligible voters. That is not about security. It is about shaping the electorate.

Conflating the two is lazy at best and dishonest at worst. (Johnson is among the worst.)
 

Democrats forcefully defended the validity of the Senate vote count, blasting Republicans as conspiracy-addled election deniers. "Republicans simply cannot accept the fact that over 6 million Senators voted against the voter ID bill," said Democratic Senator Cory Booker. "Instead, they are sowing seeds of distrust in the foundation of our democracy, making outrageous claims like '7 million is more than 100'. There is no voter fraud problem in our country. The only problem is Republicans who cannot handle losing."

At publishing time, Republicans had announced that they would give up trying to pass the voter ID bill as it seemed like a lot of work.
 
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