The Decline of the DNC IV
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And no matter how badly one might want to show that Biden got more votes than any candidate in history and/or enable rampant fraud in our elections, I'll not agree with that and will continue to support the SAVE Act. There's only one reason NOT to secure our elections with an ID requirement and we all know what it is, even if people won't say it out loud.
And besides, even if this raid proves conclusively down the road that there was massive voter fraud that did, indeed, change the election outcome, it won't change anything. Elections will still not be secure and any attempt to remedy that situation will be fought tooth-and-nail by one party while the wimpy other party eventually acquiesces, stabbing their constituency in their backs for the billionth time.
I honestly don't know why I'm following this story at all because of this truth, but I guess maybe it's for the same reason I can't look away from a train accident about to happen. Or maybe they mustard seed of faith I might still have in the system is telling me not to give up hope yet. In any case, this won't fade into obscurity like a lot of stories tend to do. Don't get me wrong; I'm not depending on the mainstream media to give an honest account about this (only an idiot would) nor am I depending on social media influencers (for the same reason.) Getting to the truth of this will require true diligence.
Lawdy... They had a highly partisan company run wild in Maricopa county recounting ballots and doing everything they could to prove the massive voter fraud...
Ending with a slight squeak in the night...
| Candidate | Official Count | Audit Count | Difference |
| Joe Biden | 1,040,774 | 1,040,873 | +99 votes |
| Donald Trump | 995,665 | 995,404 | -261 votes |
I have no issue with an ID requirement for voting, as long as it’s extraordinarily easy for every single eligible American citizen to get one. There’s only one reason to make it difficult and we all know what it is.
Extraordinarily easy is a ridiculous requirement. Nothing worthwhile in life is extraordinarily easy. You still are going to have to physically go somewhere and present yourself, with some forms of other documentation to prove you are a resident of that state and a US citizen, get your picture made and receive a card with your name, address and picture on it. Anything less is just inviting voter fraud. We're not talking poll taxes or literacy tests. We're talking about taking your fat self (not you personally) to the identification office and getting your picture made. How hard can that be? The requirement should not be that something is easy to do, it should be what is reasonable to have to do. I realize that disabled people might not be able to physically go somewhere but that should be an infinitesimal number and there would be alternate procedure or those. Just because you don't own a car, or your boss won't let you go during the workday is not a reason for exception processing.
I could buy that argument if everyone felt that strongly about requiring ID to board a plane, buy a pack of smokes or open a bank account, but they don't. It's just voting that seems to create this quarrel.
Also, I'm more than skeptical of the notion that this nation is somehow overflowing with people who don't have a photo ID.
Also, also, if a person is too unmotivated to get off his or her ass and acquire a photo ID, just how motivated are they to go vote? Not very, I'm guessing. There are eligible voters who will literally drive past the polling place on their way home and not even look at it, much less bother to stop and vote.
Calling eligible citizens lazy for struggling with registration or ID requirements misses the point. Voting is not supposed to be a test of persistence, free time, or flexibility at work. It is a constitutional right.
There is no evidence that in-person voter fraud is a real problem that needs solving with higher barriers. There is plenty of evidence that stricter ID and registration rules reduce participation among people with rigid work schedules, limited transportation, disabilities, or who live far from government offices.
If someone has the time, money, documents, transportation, and flexible hours, the process feels easy. That does not mean it is easy for everyone, and it certainly does not mean those who struggle are lazy.
If we require ID, it should be free, widely available, and designed to maximize participation while maintaining security. Anything else is not about election integrity. It is about deciding which citizens get filtered out along the way.
So is the right to bear arms, should my ability to purchase a gun be as easy as you seem to think getting an ID should be? Well, no frankly. (I still chuckle when I think of Homer Simpson going to the gun shop and being told about the mandatory waiting period: "Waiting period? But I'm mad now!"
Yet. Hold your horses.
Again, lets talk in real numbers here. How many people are we talking about? Very few (indeed, if any at all.)
Fair enough, but I still maintain that if someone is motivated enough to go vote, they are motivated enough to find a way to do it. It's a sad thing to think, but we all know that if they were handing out free twenty dollar bills just for voting, turnout would likely double.
I'm fine with it being free and secure. I'm also fine with it being as easy as possible within the parameters of being truly secure. You're welcome 4 or 5 people in the state who don't have a photo ID!
Okay, this thread as gotten off-track. I'll pick up the vote-talk in the voting thread (as well as post developments in the Fulton County investigation.)
Unless TG and FBI are honestly looking for international shenanigans, this is simply the big baby-in-cheif crying again about losing GA. Waaaaah!
They are absolutely doing that. I told y'all there was more to the Venezuela story than they were telling you.
Leader Schumer Says SAVE Act Will Be Dead On Arrival In The Senate And Warns Of Another GOP Shutdown | Senate Democratic Leadership
New York, N.Y. – Today, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer released the following statement on the SAVE Act, which would impose Jim Crow style...
www.democrats.senate.gov
Every time they threaten us with a "government shutdown", I'm reminded of the scene in Blazing Saddles when the new sheriff puts a gun to his head and takes himself hostage. And just like the moron townspeople who immediately started calling out, "somebody, do something!" Americans will react just as stupidly.
The SAVE Act must be a priority! There is only one reason to oppose secure elections.....
This is not about election security, especially since claims about illegal immigrants voting and widespread fraud are manufactured. It is about making sure every eligible American citizen can easily vote. The SAVE Act does not do that. It is designed to make voting harder for certain demographics. There is only one reason to support that…Leader Schumer Says SAVE Act Will Be Dead On Arrival In The Senate And Warns Of Another GOP Shutdown | Senate Democratic Leadership
New York, N.Y. – Today, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer released the following statement on the SAVE Act, which would impose Jim Crow style...
Every time they threaten us with a "government shutdown", I'm reminded of the scene in Blazing Saddles when the new sheriff puts a gun to his head and takes himself hostage. And just like the moron townspeople who immediately started calling out, "somebody, do something!" Americans will react just as stupidly.
The SAVE Act must be a priority! There is only one reason to oppose secure elections.....
The "reasons" the left gives as to why the SAVE Act is going to make it hard for "disaffected voters" to make their voice heard are a joke. To hear them talk it is darn near impossible for a black or brown person to obtain a picture ID (forgetting that they all pretty much have them already for drinking, applying for SNAP benefits, going to the doctor, etc. If the argument is that someone can't afford the ID then make them free (IMO they should be free to obtain already). For that little teensie tiny percent of the population that can't make it to the polls you can have absentee ballots, as long as they are properly controlled. There is absolutely no reason not to have secure elections unless you want to cheat.
The “left” and the rest of us non-Republicans have no trouble with secure elections. We just want equal and easy voting access for all Americans. It seems you’re in favor of making accommodations for that as well. Make it as easy as possible for everyone to register and vote (something that SAVE intentionally doesn’t do) and all of us should be happy.
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Yeah, and when this turns into a big popcorn fart, you'll also be the first one out there insisting "the evidence was all destroyed," too.
We've all seen how this works.
As a reminder, it's very simple.
Fred Trump's Wasted Orgasm continually makes SO MANY ALLEGATIONS that you need all of Silicon Valley to keep track of them. This one isn't even new. Sidney Powell was making this charge when she was promising to release the kraken back before the Election Loser became the Officially Recognized Loser.
Of course, she also said CHINA was involved, and I sure as hell don't see Fake Tough Guy invading their country and removing their leader.
You literally just said that no amount of evidence is going to convince you of something.
I am keeping up so let's keep it simple:
You don't "believe" (a statement of FAITH as opposed to EVIDENCE) Biden got the votes he got, which means you think there were manufactured votes in the 2020 election.
If this is incorrect, quit hiding behind dangling participles and half-statements and come right out and say what you mean.
This isn’t about election security. It’s about voter suppression. The anti-voting movement knows voter fraud is extraordinarily rare and has been proven so again and again, which is why it relies on exaggeration and outright fiction. They insist their laws affect almost no one while advancing measures like the SAVE Act that predictably and deliberately burden lawful voter registration. The impact is not incidental. These laws target demographic groups that are statistically more likely to vote Democratic, which is precisely the point.
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