New healthcare thread (part II)

Check your logic at the door...

Insurances pay an 'allowable amount' for each service that you bill. But they don't tell you what their allowable is.

So if the allowable for service X is 100$ and the provider bills 50$... They pay 50$. If the Provider bills 300$ then you get paid the full 100$. Add to this a complicated dance of refiling and demanding money and insurance denying things randomly (but purposefully) and you have these ridiculous charges and payments. We actually had a charge that was rare for us that we were charging 30$ for due to our system note being reset and the insurance would pay 200$. We lost several thousand in revenue before it was notice. To that effect, we usually set our charges at 5x over what we anticipate the allowable to be.

This is why you have to argue about every single charge on a medical bill though, because if something is denied, then you will get a bill for the inflated amount. Most providers will cut this value down to size, but you may have to argue it. The allowables and charges are all over the place and some (as above) are absolutely insanely inflated. If you are uninsured, step 1 is to ask/demand for the bill to reflect what insurance pays... It can mean a multiple.

The 'facility fee' is for hospitals to charge to cover the costs of the building that the services take place in. As a private practice physicians, my group can't charge this. It is why hospitals are eager to buy up every doc in the world. One day you are paying your PCP a 20$ copay, and the next day they are adding on a 100$ facility fee, regardless of the building being old and paid off or brand new. It comes as a shock to the patients for sure. I've seen this happen with Huntsville and Crestwood buying up practices and then everyone blames the docs involved! But they don't see that money.

In the last 20 years the nickel and dime approach by (usually in the hundreds of dollars) insurance companies has made traditional coverage very spotty indeed.
 
Check your logic at the door...

Insurances pay an 'allowable amount' for each service that you bill. But they don't tell you what their allowable is.

So if the allowable for service X is 100$ and the provider bills 50$... They pay 50$. If the Provider bills 300$ then you get paid the full 100$. Add to this a complicated dance of refiling and demanding money and insurance denying things randomly (but purposefully) and you have these ridiculous charges and payments. We actually had a charge that was rare for us that we were charging 30$ for due to our system note being reset and the insurance would pay 200$. We lost several thousand in revenue before it was notice. To that effect, we usually set our charges at 5x over what we anticipate the allowable to be.

This is why you have to argue about every single charge on a medical bill though, because if something is denied, then you will get a bill for the inflated amount. Most providers will cut this value down to size, but you may have to argue it. The allowables and charges are all over the place and some (as above) are absolutely insanely inflated. If you are uninsured, step 1 is to ask/demand for the bill to reflect what insurance pays... It can mean a multiple.

The 'facility fee' is for hospitals to charge to cover the costs of the building that the services take place in. As a private practice physicians, my group can't charge this. It is why hospitals are eager to buy up every doc in the world. One day you are paying your PCP a 20$ copay, and the next day they are adding on a 100$ facility fee, regardless of the building being old and paid off or brand new. It comes as a shock to the patients for sure. I've seen this happen with Huntsville and Crestwood buying up practices and then everyone blames the docs involved! But they don't see that money.

In the last 20 years the nickel and dime approach by (usually in the hundreds of dollars) insurance companies has made traditional coverage very spotty indeed.
I get the example you've presented. However, in my case, if a mammogram (without insurance) doesn't exceed $500 in normal cost, how in the world does my insurance end up paying $19,000, and probably going to end up paying more before it is all said and done?
 
I get the example you've presented. However, in my case, if a mammogram (without insurance) doesn't exceed $500 in normal cost, how in the world does my insurance end up paying $19,000, and probably going to end up paying more before it is all said and done?
We've run into this as we're self-employed and carry our own private insurance. My wife has gotten into the habit of telling the doctor we're self-pay instead of using our insurance as the 'insurance rate' is always multiple-times more than the cash (self-pay) rate. If something is too expensive (such as a colonoscopy) then we use insurance but more often than not it's literally cheaper to just pay the cash rate out of pocket.
 
I get the example you've presented. However, in my case, if a mammogram (without insurance) doesn't exceed $500 in normal cost, how in the world does my insurance end up paying $19,000, and probably going to end up paying more before it is all said and done?

You also have to add in the cost of the biopsy, charges from the doctor doing it, cost of specimen processing in pathology, charges from pathology, etc. Oh yeah, a nice big facility fee gets added too.

Still... 19k is crazy high by about 14k according to one of the breast rads guys here. He thought 5k was probably the range you'd see.
 
Ivermectin has minimal to no activity for tape worms... I think they are still using albendazole and praziquantel for them. And steroids if the brain is involved, the death of the worm in the brain really is quite inflammatory.
I probably should have put my response in blue...
 
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You also have to add in the cost of the biopsy, charges from the doctor doing it, cost of specimen processing in pathology, charges from pathology, etc. Oh yeah, a nice big facility fee gets added too.

Still... 19k is crazy high by about 14k according to one of the breast rads guys here. He thought 5k was probably the range you'd see.
$5K actually sounds reasonable to be honest. But a total of $24K?! LOL! And the even crazier thing is the insurance actually paid $19K of it, and probably going to pay more. But I agree, $19K is CRAZY HIGH.
 
I'm surprised they paid up for that much as well frankly...

The customer representative I talked to on the phone couldn't explain (because she couldn't see it on her computer screen is what she told me) what made up the entire $24,000. She said some of the coding was itemized and other parts were not. So she couldn't tell me. I'd love to see an itemized billing of the entire thing. My EOB should be coming in in a few weeks, I can't wait to look at it.
 

I mean... I came in one day and one of the drug reps had brought pizza over to woo us to use his drugs. He had gluten free pizza because he developed a dementia like syndrome and he and his wife were preparing for his early retirement and possible need for a nursing home when his GI guy backed into a celiac disease diagnosis. On a gluten free diet his brain function normalized...
 
I mean... I came in one day and one of the drug reps had brought pizza over to woo us to use his drugs. He had gluten free pizza because he developed a dementia like syndrome and he and his wife were preparing for his early retirement and possible need for a nursing home when his GI guy backed into a celiac disease diagnosis. On a gluten free diet his brain function normalized...
While I know they’re out there, less than 1% of people suffer from celiac disease. Walk down your typical bread aisle and you’d think it was 30x that.

Self-diagnosis is fraught with issues.
 
While I know they’re out there, less than 1% of people suffer from celiac disease. Walk down your typical bread aisle and you’d think it was 30x that.

Self-diagnosis is fraught with issues.

Now I will rant about people who diagnose themselves... Whew... I see all sorts of craziness. Had a long term patient get very angry that I wouldn't prescribe ivermectin because it prevents "all cancers." Uhh, nope. I would be banned forever if you asked me about MCAS and Type 3 Ehlers Danlos...

The flip side is that proper celiac disease is indeed pretty uncommon, but it does appear that a range of people are less than tolerant to it. The wife is gluten free and feels much better when strict. She has both cheated and accidentally eaten gluten and the GI side effects are unpleasant if she pushes it too hard. I think it is probably a FODMAPS sensitivity, which is recognized and scientifically based and likely masquerades as irritable bowel syndrome in many.


As for the others in the meme... Kids died from the lawn darts* and there were many serious injuries... Lead is indeed very bad for you** and must be controlled in terms of exposure... And yes, some percentage of lung cancer*** is indeed caused by secondhand exposure and smoking is absolutely horrible for kids with asthma.


* 3 kids dead and at least 6000 ED visits with some serious and life altering per a lazy Gemini search.

**I don't know if they ever proved anything, but one speculation was that violent crimes and murders actually dropped over time as lead was cleaned up from the environment due to the intellectual effects of high iron levels... Read an interesting article on the issue some years back. Seriously though, lead is quite toxic when ingested.

*** Lung cancer still really sucks even in the era of targeted therapies and immunotherapy.
 
I will never understand why, we have to have not doctors decide what prescription drugs we can and cannot take. These most likely high school educated morons can decide what is "medically necessary" and what isn't. It is frustrating. They also get to decide procedures.
 
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I will never understand why, we have to have not doctors decide what prescription drugs we can and cannot take. These most likely high school educated morons can decide what is "medically necessary" and what isn't. It is frustrating. They also get to decide procedures.

so not for profits like BCBS of Alabama can be hugely profitable and pay their execs millions and millions and put lots of commercials on the TV in a state where they virtually have a monopoly!
 
Check your logic at the door...

Insurances pay an 'allowable amount' for each service that you bill. But they don't tell you what their allowable is.

So if the allowable for service X is 100$ and the provider bills 50$... They pay 50$. If the Provider bills 300$ then you get paid the full 100$. Add to this a complicated dance of refiling and demanding money and insurance denying things randomly (but purposefully) and you have these ridiculous charges and payments. We actually had a charge that was rare for us that we were charging 30$ for due to our system note being reset and the insurance would pay 200$. We lost several thousand in revenue before it was notice. To that effect, we usually set our charges at 5x over what we anticipate the allowable to be.

This is why you have to argue about every single charge on a medical bill though, because if something is denied, then you will get a bill for the inflated amount. Most providers will cut this value down to size, but you may have to argue it. The allowables and charges are all over the place and some (as above) are absolutely insanely inflated. If you are uninsured, step 1 is to ask/demand for the bill to reflect what insurance pays... It can mean a multiple.

The 'facility fee' is for hospitals to charge to cover the costs of the building that the services take place in. As a private practice physicians, my group can't charge this. It is why hospitals are eager to buy up every doc in the world. One day you are paying your PCP a 20$ copay, and the next day they are adding on a 100$ facility fee, regardless of the building being old and paid off or brand new. It comes as a shock to the patients for sure. I've seen this happen with Huntsville and Crestwood buying up practices and then everyone blames the docs involved! But they don't see that money.

In the last 20 years the nickel and dime approach by (usually in the hundreds of dollars) insurance companies has made traditional coverage very spotty indeed.
I had an odd one the other day. Dermatologists seem to have more trouble getting drugs cleared than other docs. My dermatologist said it would probably be denied, and it was. The uninsured price was such that I decided to forego it. Then I got a letter a few days later, saying BCBS had relented and would cover it. The next day, I got a letter of denial. The letter of denial was dated before the reversal letter. They just mailed them out in the wrong order...
 
I had an odd one the other day. Dermatologists seem to have more trouble getting drugs cleared than other docs. My dermatologist said it would probably be denied, and it was. The uninsured price was such that I decided to forego it. Then I got a letter a few days later, saying BCBS had relented and would cover it. The next day, I got a letter of denial. The letter of denial was dated before the reversal letter. They just mailed them out in the wrong order...

Derm practices tend be small, so sending in appeals is tougher from the amount of work required.

We have staff of pitbulls who go after it!
 
New Information Suggests Senior Pfizer Executives Conspired to Delay COVID-19 Vaccine Clinical Testing to Influence 2020 Election.

One exec was so scared about this being investigated that he asked to be relocated to Canada!

MASSIVE SCANDAL uncovered by @Jim_Jordan


You can ready the full letter here.
OK, ELI5. I don't understand what's going on here except a health professional is afraid for his life from Trump's vengeance. For what? Even if there was some hideous plan to kill Americans to help Biden win an election, what about Moderna? The other vaccine companies? They were all in on it? If so, why? Why would they risk their lives for a Biden win?

Make it make sense.
 
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