Post game thoughts (including coaching) thread. Let's not have 50 new ones...
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its all shula's fault? uhm...
Shula made JPW fumble the ball, right? He jumped in the huddle and was like, "ok son, I want you to drop back and get blind-sided and fumble the ball on the sack twice in a row, got it?" I mean, that couldnt be a young QB making a mistake, right? Give me a freakin break. Shula had nothing to do with that. Those two attempts at going for two? They were quite odd decisions. Choosing to just take 1 point wouldnt have changed the game. If we had just taken extra points and been 17-22, we would have STILL been forced to go for it and had the same failed result on 4th and a mile at the end of the 4th qtr. However, if we made both 2 point conversions, it would have been 19-22 and a field goal at the end could have at least tied the game instead of forcing us to go for it on 4th and a mile at the end of the 4th qtr.
I'm not drinking the koolaid. I'm just being realistic. Shula had no control over the turnovers. If JPW had not fumbled twice inside our 20, we would have won. I'm not saying place all the blame on JPW either. Like I said, hes young and will make mistakes. You think if the Bear were on the sidelines that he could magically make JPW hold onto the ball for those 2 plays? Heh.
Shula made JPW fumble the ball, right? He jumped in the huddle and was like, "ok son, I want you to drop back and get blind-sided and fumble the ball on the sack twice in a row, got it?" I mean, that couldnt be a young QB making a mistake, right? Give me a freakin break. Shula had nothing to do with that. Those two attempts at going for two? They were quite odd decisions. Choosing to just take 1 point wouldnt have changed the game. If we had just taken extra points and been 17-22, we would have STILL been forced to go for it and had the same failed result on 4th and a mile at the end of the 4th qtr. However, if we made both 2 point conversions, it would have been 19-22 and a field goal at the end could have at least tied the game instead of forcing us to go for it on 4th and a mile at the end of the 4th qtr.
I'm not drinking the koolaid. I'm just being realistic. Shula had no control over the turnovers. If JPW had not fumbled twice inside our 20, we would have won. I'm not saying place all the blame on JPW either. Like I said, hes young and will make mistakes. You think if the Bear were on the sidelines that he could magically make JPW hold onto the ball for those 2 plays? Heh.
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Re: its all shula's fault? uhm...
I think he was the man in the grassy knoll also.
Hey, our offense played well and we mixed it up a lot. The turnovers killed us giving au 14 points. We outplayed them, we just couldn't make up for the freebie points they got.
I think he was the man in the grassy knoll also.
Hey, our offense played well and we mixed it up a lot. The turnovers killed us giving au 14 points. We outplayed them, we just couldn't make up for the freebie points they got.
Re: its all shula's fault? uhm...
This is the same logic as last year, we out played them 3 quarters. Do you think AU would have played the same if they were not up 14-3? I would suggest their game plan changed. But i do agree Auburn played like **** and still won the game. Hurt Cox, best receiver out, hurt irons, hurt lester, hurt center, lol.
This is the same logic as last year, we out played them 3 quarters. Do you think AU would have played the same if they were not up 14-3? I would suggest their game plan changed. But i do agree Auburn played like **** and still won the game. Hurt Cox, best receiver out, hurt irons, hurt lester, hurt center, lol.
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REmind me - who put #72 in the starting lineup? Who left him in there after it became clear he couldn't handle the job? Who doesnt emphasize S&C, which results in our players being physically pushed around one both sides of the ball?
REmind me - who put #72 in the starting lineup? Who left him in there after it became clear he couldn't handle the job? Who doesnt emphasize S&C, which results in our players being physically pushed around one both sides of the ball?
Re: its all shula's fault? uhm...
Wow, what was all that about? Yeah Shula didn't fumble the ball but he did start Capps...again. After Tatum was more sucessful last game and after the two fumbles replaced him. JPW should know by now that after three seconds that the right side is going to explode on him but he too is young. I think JPW played an outstanding game despite those two. There were some things that weren't Shula's fault but others that were. Running three times up the middle with Castille is so predictable. Why not a toss sweep, or a bootleg to a tighend, or that play to McClain, or ANYTHING! I can definiately see running it twice up the middle but when that doesn't work try to be creative. And going for two twice was kinda stupid. Trying for two becuase you failed the first time? LAME. I know not everything is controled by Shula but the things that are get botched up. We need at least two assistant coaching changes...I nominate the OL and OC.
Wow, what was all that about? Yeah Shula didn't fumble the ball but he did start Capps...again. After Tatum was more sucessful last game and after the two fumbles replaced him. JPW should know by now that after three seconds that the right side is going to explode on him but he too is young. I think JPW played an outstanding game despite those two. There were some things that weren't Shula's fault but others that were. Running three times up the middle with Castille is so predictable. Why not a toss sweep, or a bootleg to a tighend, or that play to McClain, or ANYTHING! I can definiately see running it twice up the middle but when that doesn't work try to be creative. And going for two twice was kinda stupid. Trying for two becuase you failed the first time? LAME. I know not everything is controled by Shula but the things that are get botched up. We need at least two assistant coaching changes...I nominate the OL and OC.
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i love bama but this is getting stupid. we dont even expect to win anymore. what a joke we have become. i guess 8 wins will be ausome next year. the pain continues. if we have big time coaches interested lets not be stupid. if no big names want it then let it ride one more year.
i love bama but this is getting stupid. we dont even expect to win anymore. what a joke we have become. i guess 8 wins will be ausome next year. the pain continues. if we have big time coaches interested lets not be stupid. if no big names want it then let it ride one more year.
Re: its all shula's fault? uhm...
Chris Capps is the main reason why we fumbled the ball
two times which lead to 14-3 lead for the Barners and Shula
clearly should have taken him out right then and kept him out but instead left him in.
That is poor judgement on Shula's part.
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Chris Capps is the main reason why we fumbled the ball
two times which lead to 14-3 lead for the Barners and Shula
clearly should have taken him out right then and kept him out but instead left him in.
That is poor judgement on Shula's part.
No disrepect intented for the moderators.
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I'd be curious to see what we look like if did have a top notch O line. Wonder if we could hire an NFL line just for a practice game?
I'd be curious to see what we look like if did have a top notch O line. Wonder if we could hire an NFL line just for a practice game?
Re: its all shula's fault? uhm...
So whose responsibility is it to develop a quality OL?
And before you repeat that tired and ridiculous "it's all due to a lack of talent" argument, I want you to go down the list of our starting OL and tell me how highly recruited each of those players were. And when you consider Chris Capps, I want you to keep in mind that we have two 4-star OT's that he's currently playing in front of. My point is this: if those kids lack talent in the way you and the rest of the kool-aid drinkers would have us believe then our staff (and many other staffs, for that matter) did a very poor job in the evaluation phase of the recruiting process. If it's not the case that all those guys are severely lacking in the natural talent department (a far more tenable position, IMO), then our staff has done a miserable job developing that talent and putting those guys in a position to be successful on the field. Either way, the responsibility lies at the feet of this coaching staff.
So whose responsibility is it to develop a quality OL?
And before you repeat that tired and ridiculous "it's all due to a lack of talent" argument, I want you to go down the list of our starting OL and tell me how highly recruited each of those players were. And when you consider Chris Capps, I want you to keep in mind that we have two 4-star OT's that he's currently playing in front of. My point is this: if those kids lack talent in the way you and the rest of the kool-aid drinkers would have us believe then our staff (and many other staffs, for that matter) did a very poor job in the evaluation phase of the recruiting process. If it's not the case that all those guys are severely lacking in the natural talent department (a far more tenable position, IMO), then our staff has done a miserable job developing that talent and putting those guys in a position to be successful on the field. Either way, the responsibility lies at the feet of this coaching staff.
Re: its all shula's fault? uhm...
Hey, jeremy...
I like your enthusiasm, but look at the big picture...
When JP Wilson fumbles in every single game, that goes beyond the players fault.
It starts in the off-season, summer workouts, two-a-days...
...you get the picture.
Turnovers are a result of lack of dicipline. Lack of dicpline by the player who makes them. Lack of dicipline by the player(s) who don't follow assignments (o-linemen).
No, coaches don't fumble the ball. But, when the same players keep fumbling the ball, then something is lacking in the practice.
It's called fundamentals. Dicipline. Conditioning.
And, it all starts at the top.
Hey, jeremy...
I like your enthusiasm, but look at the big picture...
When JP Wilson fumbles in every single game, that goes beyond the players fault.
It starts in the off-season, summer workouts, two-a-days...
...you get the picture.
Turnovers are a result of lack of dicipline. Lack of dicpline by the player who makes them. Lack of dicipline by the player(s) who don't follow assignments (o-linemen).
No, coaches don't fumble the ball. But, when the same players keep fumbling the ball, then something is lacking in the practice.
It's called fundamentals. Dicipline. Conditioning.
And, it all starts at the top.
Re: its all shula's fault? uhm...
Ah, thanks, TiM ... with some of the comments here tonight, I was beginning to think I was the only one to think that coaching has something to do with what happens on the field.
Ah, thanks, TiM ... with some of the comments here tonight, I was beginning to think I was the only one to think that coaching has something to do with what happens on the field.
He fumbled the ball because he got sacked. One of them was a sack from behind that he didnt even see coming. He got hit and had one hand on the ball because he was about to throw it. It could happen to any qb. I blame Capps more than JPW. And I think we all feel the same way about Capps. I never said I believe shula is our man. I have my doubts too. But I dont blame Shula for what happened on those 2 turnovers.
Jeremy,
Regarding your refusal blame Shula for those two turnovers, why don't you respond to my last post (bottom of page 17)?
Regardless of what any of us think, it appears the university is going to give Shula another year to prove himself. We all want the same thing. We want our football program to get better. If that means a new coach, so be it. Only time will tell. I won't be posting on this thread anymore. I dont want things getting ugly. I apologize if I ticked anyone off.
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