New Coach Speculation

[BamaBlake]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

don't see Alabama going with a wishbone offense again ?

I just can't see Grobe or Johnson's offense making it in the sec (jmo). Maybe in the 70's........ oh wait..... we did run that in the 70's. lol... seriously though, I hope we don't go in that direction.

Sure Wake is having a good year this year, but have been average in past years. So is 1 good year a proven coach? If it was then we had a proven coach. Now don't get me wrong I don't think for 1 minute that we should've kept Shula. Just trying to make a point about Grobe.
Plus I don't think we are built for that type of offense. So it would take a few years to see any progress.

I'm sure they are great coaches but I just can't believe we are going in this direction. But who knows, I never thought that I would ,
live to see the day that Auburn would have a 5 game winning streak against us or anyone. My how times have changed.


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[ihatefulmer]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

If you listened to Mal yesterday he said he was going after a coach who was a proven winner more or less. IMO, neither of these guys fit that. I find it hard to get excited with the fact that we might get Navy or Wake's coach. :eek2:

 

[Proxigean Tide]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

I think if CPJ is hired, he will have to agree to install some version of the west coast, spread option offense. It can employ option run elements, but must be balanced with a consistant passing attack.

Paul Johnson was actually one of the biggest contributors to development of the spread option as employed by Meyers, Rodriegues and Franchione. It all started when CPJ spent time studying under Mouse Davis (Father of Run & Shoot offense). If you look at the spread option, its really just the run & shoot (2 WRs, 2 slotbacks, 1 TB) with the QB getting into the mix as a running threat.

That is why you need a tough, mobile QB with a strong arm to run it. You will see the NFL start using this stuff soon. If Atlanta ran the spread with Michael Vick, instead of power-I pro sets, they would be unstoppable.

 

[BamaBlake]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

If you listened to Mal yesterday he said he was going after a coach who was a proven winner more or less. IMO, neither of these guys fit that. I find it hard to get excited with the fact that we might get Navy or Wake's coach. :eek2:

my thoughts exactly

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[mikeua69]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

PJ stated publicly that he runs the wishbone at Navy because of the types of athletes he has there. He can't recruit top name quarterbacks. I can assure you if he came to Bama you would not see the wishbone.

 

[BamaBlake]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

PJ stated publicly that he runs the wishbone at Navy because of the types of athletes he has there. He can't recruit top name quarterbacks. I can assure you if he came to Bama you would not see the wishbone.

I know he wouldn't come down here and run the textbook wishbone ( i know my earlier post did not say as much though) but an option based offense , I personally don't think would work. Wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong , (2nd ) if it did work though.

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[TerryP]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

I thought that we should have offered UM when he was at Bowling Green. I was correct in my opinion of him.

This time I think that Paul Johnson should be our guy. Proven over and over. He runs whatever offense suits his talent on hand.


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Like Jess, I think it's Grobe before Johnson. I'll add, the comment highlighted about running his offense based on the talent at hand is no different than Grobe.

I think if CPJ is hired, he will have to agree to install some version of the west coast, spread option offense. It can employ option run elements, but must be balanced with a consistant passing attack.

Paul Johnson was actually one of the biggest contributors to development of the spread option as employed by Meyers, Rodriegues and Franchione. It all started when CPJ spent time studying under Mouse Davis (Father of Run & Shoot offense). If you look at the spread option, its really just the run & shoot (2 WRs, 2 slotbacks, 1 TB) with the QB getting into the mix as a running threat.

That is why you need a tough, mobile QB with a strong arm to run it. You will see the NFL start using this stuff soon. If Atlanta ran the spread with Michael Vick, instead of power-I pro sets, they would be unstoppable.

Johnson has run a "spread-option" type offense before...that's a lot like what he ran at Ga. Southern.

Right now, the biggest obstacle he may be facing is the steriod allegations.

 

[alatider]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

A point to consider - Fox 6 news this morning said that Grobe and Mal are friends.

 

[Sellers]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

I can buy into paul johnson

Ditto.

 

[CrimsonCT]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

Grobe's coaching history is questionable at best. He went 8-3 at Ohio in 1997, then had a string of 4- to 7-win seasons before this year, which is marked as one of the weakest ACC conferences in recent memory. He's had one good season in twelve years of coaching--that definitely looks like an aberration to my eyes. I'm very scared of Grobe being named our HC.

 

[Proxigean Tide]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

TP:

I agree with point that steroid scandal may derail CPJ's chances. However, I think use of over-the-counter supplements with steroid ingredients has been a problem at service academies for years.

Service academy players are basically Div-1AA and Div-2A guys who are asked to compete in Div 1A. They come in small, get big for 4 years and then you see them out in the fleet 2-3 years later and they are back to being small again.

I don't think its all from hitting the weights. I think these guys all employ andro-enhanced supplements to play Div-1A football while in school.

 

[Chastide]

Re: going way out on this one

I hope and pray those making decisions look over Grobe's ONE good year and see his overall resume. Grobe is getting a lot of deserved attention for this year, but what else has he done? If we're going to get someone on the Grobe tier, I would rather it be Johnson. At least he's won everywhere he's been and been consistent about it.

Grobe is a solid coach. In the 10 seasons before Grobe left his assistant's position at the Air Force Academy to become Ohio University's head coach, the Bobcats won only 17 games. In the six years under Grobe, they won 33 and finished with winning records in the Mid-American Conference five straight seasons. To do what Grobe did Ohio University over his 6 years there is nothing short of miraculous. Plus the roots that Grobe laid down are serving Franck Solich very well at Ohio today. Grobe has had similar success at Wake.

The man can coach and he is a disciplinarian. I for one would love to see what he could do with the talent at Bama.

 

[FreeBro]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

I think if CPJ is hired, he will have to agree to install some version of the west coast, spread option offense. It can employ option run elements, but must be balanced with a consistant passing attack.

Paul Johnson was actually one of the biggest contributors to development of the spread option as employed by Meyers, Rodriegues and Franchione. It all started when CPJ spent time studying under Mouse Davis (Father of Run & Shoot offense). If you look at the spread option, its really just the run & shoot (2 WRs, 2 slotbacks, 1 TB) with the QB getting into the mix as a running threat.

That is why you need a tough, mobile QB with a strong arm to run it. You will see the NFL start using this stuff soon. If Atlanta ran the spread with Michael Vick, instead of power-I pro sets, they would be unstoppable.

With all due respect, what Navy runs is only similar to what WVa and UF run because they both use footballs.

Navy runs the Spread Bone, Flex Bone, Ham Bone, or whatever you want to call it.

WVa and UF run a Spread GUN attack.

The offenses do NOT even use the same blocking schemes. Navy runs their option with traditional Veer blocking schemes similar to what BAMA did back in the day. Navy will leave people unblocked at the Point-of-Attack and allow their QB to read the play (Triple Option). BTW, a great offense then, a great offense now.

WVa and UF major in Zone blocking schemes. They try to cover or block everyone up at the Point-of-Attack and allow their QB to read the backside (usually DE). If the unblocked man on the backside squeezes/closes inside toward the POA, the QB will pull the ball and keep it around the backside and/or pitch to a trailing RB.

The Spread Gun Zone Read/Option is a little slower developing than the traditional down the line veer, but it is very effective in that lends itself toward a passing attack out of the Gun.

The Run & Shoot and the Spread Gun have two different philosophies about passing. The Run & Shoot has more in common with the Spread Bone than the Spread Gun (they base out of the same double slot formation).

I'm sorry to have droned on, but I love this stuff.

I cannot see NFL teams, whether they have Vick or Young, majoring in any kind of option game. It opens the QB up to getting whacked way too many times. NFL GMs and owners have way TOO much money invested in these trigger pullers to let guys like Urlacher and Ray Lewis have free shots. Remember NFL QBs are only protected as passers, when they take off running it is open season.

BTW, did anyone see ALL those yards Vick piled up rushing on Sunday? They still lost. When is the last time a running QB won a Super Bowl? I cannot think of one, can anyone else?:BigA: :BigA: :BigA: :BigA:

 

[RazedRite]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

I agree that Johnson's resume is much more impressive than Grobe's. He's won everywhere he went, and done so consistently.

I think what Grobe has done at Wake is pretty good, but no one can claim that he has consistently WON there. However, considering what he has to work with it's also pretty impressive.

But Johnson has had a similar situation at Navy and has excelled.

 

[BamaSkins]

Re: going way out on this one

...what if we could get a coach who has a career record of: 159-52
...that has won 5 championships during his career
...that is 91-8 in the last 8 years
...that has been named Coach of the Year 7 times

would you want him or even consider him? I happen to know of such a man and he would take the job!...scroll down
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Rush Probst - Hoover High School...the man is a winner!

I know you're laughing, but what the heck, since we're throwing out names I thought I throw out this proven winner.:smile:

 

[Proxigean Tide]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

FreeBro:

Thanks for the info. As you can see, my knowlege of this stuff pales by comparison. My understanding is that these spread option offenses all came from effort to combine traditional QB option attacks with the run & shoot, while operating out of the shotgun formation.

The ultimate goal was to create a hybrid offense that made defenses not know what to defend...there were just too many options and variables.

While the run & shoot basically involved keeping LBs honest with play action so you could throw deep down field, later proponents started employing more west coast (Bill Walsh)offense passing attack with short slants, curls and run after catch strategy.

This evolution produced an offense that could aptly be named "west coast, spread option" with the "spread" part being 2 wideout, 2 slotback shotgun formation. Is this not somewhat accurate?

 

[TheCrimsonLiver]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

The more I read about this guy the more I am starting to thing he might be the best choice for the job. He's a winner and it looks like he has never been nothin but a winner. He's used multiple offenses and seems to be a student of the game instead of trapped in one type like Uber Mayan...

 

[TitanTiger (AU)]

Re: My opinion/knowledge of whats going on.

You know I'm wrong how. It's your opinion that they aren't coming, while I'm posting fairly lax information regarding them even being interested.

Some of you seem to take Tradition for granted, because for whatever reason the "others" have implanted it in your head that no one cares. When it couldn't be further from the truth, It's so "OUT THERE" to think big names are even INTERESTED in BAMA. Did I say they were coming? NO.

We are going to get someone great, and the University is trying to hit it out of the park. Whether they are or not, will be determined in the coming days.

Don't know about the others, but I think Saban has given the definitive "I'm not going to Alabama" speech now. From his Monday press conference:

(On if he’s been contacted by the University of Alabama) – “No, I haven’t. I don’t care to be. I don’t want to be. I have a job to do here. My focus is on our players, this team, us getting better, and us playing good, winning football here. I’m not interested in any other circumstances or situations anyplace else. Mike Shula is a good guy. He’s a friend. I hate to see anybody not being able to maintain. I think he’s done a good job there and should have been given an opportunity to stay there.”


(On if he’s annoyed or flattered when his name comes up for open coaching positions) – “It’s always flattering to be considered for anything. I have a lot of respect for a lot of these things, but this has been the case for years. When I was in college, it was always about coming to the pros. This is the challenge that I wanted. I had a good college job, so why would I have left that if I would be interested in another college job? I took this as a challenge. We certainly haven’t seen this through and gotten where we want to go and finish the job here, so why I would I be interested in something else?”


(On if any school has contacted him about a coaching position) – “Nobody’s contacted me. I haven’t talked to anybody about anything. I wouldn’t talk to anybody about anything regardless of that. I thought I said that.”

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=4898

 

[Toss Sweep]

Re: IMO, it's gonna be P. Johnson

FreBro, Good Job!

It is also important to mention that the zone that he mentions is an agressive zone technique with an upfield step. Not the lateral step our line has taken in the recent past. Their technique is to attack, ours is to absorb the defender. Although both called zone (rub-off blocking), it is different worlds.


Personally I would like to have some kind of option attack, but the veer may not be very effective against the recovery speed of today's SEC defenses. And you would need more than one QB because of the shots he would take.

I would like to see it, if it could be done successfully.

With any run-oriented offense, you must play very good defense.

 

[TitanTiger (AU)]

Re: My opinion/knowledge of whats going on.

Here's the point about ANY hire they make.

We will not know until years from now if they are a "great" hire or not.

We, as fans, need to realize that a HC takes years to have his full impact felt in a program. From recruiting the players that fit his program, to installing an offense and a defense to assembling a staff, these are things that take a LONG, LONG time to play out at the level where the Crimson Tide expects to be.

Yes, others have done more quicker but look where they are now. Terry Bowden? Turned Auburn around in a year and then ran them into the ground. Stoops? Turned Oklahoma around in 2 years and then has fizzled in the Big 12 (until this year).

We have got to sign up to a HC that - providing they stay out of strip clubs and student apartments - we will give 4-6 years to fully mature in the program.

Not that your overall point is bad, but Stoops is hardly an example of great start to fizzling out. Look at Stoops' OU record since taking over in 1999:

1999: 7-5
2000: 13-0, Big XII Champs, National Champs
2001: 11-2
2002: 12-2, Big XII Champs
2003: 12-2, Big XII South Div. Champ, lost in BCS Title game
2004: 12-1, Big XII Champs, lost in BCS Title game
2005: 8-4
2006: 10-2, Big XII South Div. Champ, playing for Big XII title

That's 3 Big XII titles (playing for a 4th), 5 South Division titles, 1 National title and played for two others. And he did what he did this year losing his starting QB right before the season and that includes an absolute robbery in the loss to Oregon or they'd be 11-1 and possibly in the BCS title hunt again.

Just for comparison, Stallings career at Alabama:
1990: 7-5
1991: 11-1
1992: 13-0, SEC Champs, National Champs
1993: 9-3-1
1994: 12-1, SEC West Div. Champs
1995: 8-3
1996: 10-3, SEC West Div. Champs