All of LSU's terrific defense was recruited by...

[BamaInBham]

Coach Saban except for DE:Francois and LB:Beckwith and all of the work on them was most likely done by his staff before he left 2 months before they signed.

That is not to imply that Pelini and Miles are not due much credit for their development, but worthy of note anyway. Of course it's normal for a stud defense to be comprised of upperclassmen.

Just noticed that 8 of LSU's starters on O (Doucet, Flynn, Hester, 4 OL and TE) were recruted by Saban too, and 2 of the other 3 signed just after he left. Williams a very fine RB was recruited by Miles.

 

[SoldierForTide]

Coach Saban except for DE:Francois and LB:Beckwith and all of the work on them was most likely done by his staff before he left 2 months before they signed.

That is not to imply that Pelini and Miles are not due much credit for their development, but worthy of note anyway. Of course it's normal for a stud defense to be comprised of upperclassmen.

Just noticed that 8 of LSU's starters on O (Doucet, Flynn, Hester, 4 OL and TE) were recruted by Saban too, and 2 of the other 3 signed just after he left. Williams a very fine RB was recruited by Miles.

You just opened a large can of worms.

Anyway, what about Pittman? Did he transfer to LSU when CNS was the coach? I know Hester wanted to play at Bama, but CNS recruited him hard and he went to LSU. Now CNS is at Bama, that must be awkward for him.

That D is pretty darn good though.

 

[bayoutider]

This mentality also flies back in our face if Saban wins he wins with Shula's team. I think this is one more

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Les Miles has done a very good job of assembling a staff around him to develop the talent that Saban recruited and also developing the talent that he himself has recruited. The implication that any successes over the past two years is mostly due to Saban is flawed thinking and here's why. LSU fans could EASILY say Saban won with mostly Dinardo recruits but the fact of the matter is Saban had to develop those recruits once Dinardo left. Not all "big time" recruits pan out on the college level unless they are developed by the coaching staff.

Les Miles and his staff has done a more than adequate job of developing the talent that Saban left him. Les Miles may not hang six national championships (or even one for that) to his name but he is an above average coach and why we continue to want to bash his coaching abilities is beyond me. Yes, I think last season they underachieved but 11-2 and underachieving still doesn't make you a bad coach.

Now if someone simply doesn't like Miles (personally) then just say it. "I can't stand Les Miles. It has nothing to do with his coaching ability. I just hate the tool bag." But to try to vent personal dislike of Les Miles by continuing to take shots at the quality of coach he is reveals some insecurities on our end.

Same goes for the LSU fans trying to say now that Saban really isn't that good of a coach. Let's all grow up and put personal attacks aside and actually grade someone off of what they do ON THE FIELD and within the borders of the game.

 

[BamaInBham]

My post should have included the caveat that this is based on the year they came out of HS, i.e., does not include the effect of transfers or any other atypical way of getting to LSU. Don't know about Pittman other than he came out of HS in '03, which would mean Saban. He is 2nd team according to Rivals' depth chart.

Just having a little fun on a Bama board. I do genuinely respect LSU and their program historically. I also think Miles has done a decent job, maybe better. But there are multitudes of examples of coaches who have done well with someone else's players then dropped off. In fact, LSU knows of one - Mike Archer. Saban left LSU absolutely loaded with talent, attitude, organization and momentum. IMO, he is the best in college football. He and Spurrier are the only coaches I've ever feared and dreaded playing in 50 years of observing Bama football.

Miles is keeping it going to some degree, but the drop off has already begun to take place and will now accelerate to some degree. Not that they will disapper by any means, but they will cease to be a dreaded juggernaut in a year or so.

 

[BamaInBham]

I'm certainly not bashing Miles. I even said he and Pelini were due credit. But what I posted was of interest to me anyway - 17 of 21 starters were recruted and signed by Saban and 4 others were recruited till almost signing date. That is 21 of their 22 starters.

Also, as far as development, anyone who thinks that Saban has not already made a big difference in Bama's current physical and attitudinal makeup is not paying attention. The players yesterday looked and carried themselves much differently than last year. It was almost breathtaking. Yes, we can be PC and act like Saban doesn't make much difference, but he does. He is that good.

Not bashing Miles at all. Just noting that Saban is the best - more of a stud than our wildest hopes.

 

[LCN]

Mainly CNS's players & staff . Pellini will probably depart after this season . If Michigan sux this season , clm will have a hard time keeping his staff together or , hiring any replacements as a seat will soon open in Ann Arbor for yet another average coach . Just like the barn , their 15 minutes is soon to fade . Keep smackin' , les .

 

[moorav]

Bama's terrific team was recruited by Shula. :biggrin2:

 

[SoldierForTide]

This mentality also flies back in our face if Saban wins he wins with Shula's team. I think this is one more

However, that situation would be a testament to CNS being a better coach, considering we went 6-7 last year. As opposed to LSU's situation, where they won the NC. Seems like apples and oranges to me, but I'm sure our rivals will use that against us when CNS starts winning.

 

[Vinny]

CNS will pick off where CMS left things. I don't think it will be that bad and will be improving really quicky.

 

[Nolan]

CNS will pick off where CMS left things. I don't think it will be that bad and will be improving really quicky.

I agree, and man, is CMA getting the horses he needs for his spread offense or what? I'm still buzzing from BJ Scott's commit. When you add the jumbo athletes that have come on board - I've just gotta shake my head at how fast CNS is putting his kind of players in place.

RTR

 

[LSU63]

Mainly CNS's players & staff . Pellini will probably depart after this season . If Michigan sux this season , clm will have a hard time keeping his staff together or , hiring any replacements as a seat will soon open in Ann Arbor for yet another average coach . Just like the barn , their 15 minutes is soon to fade . Keep smackin' , les .

Sorry, CLM only had 2 holdovers from CNS staff. Pellini was a Miles hire.As far as 15 minutes of fame being over, we'll see. Are you saying this from analyzing the program, or just LSU hate?

 

[BamaInBham]

IMO, LSU will never 'go away'. The program is historically strong - the 90's were the aberration. LSU is historically in the SEC's upper half second tier. Bama alone in the 1st tier; UT, UGA and LSU in the second tier; UF, AU in the third tier. Of course things change. Today it is LSU and UF in the 1st tier, UGA, AU, UT in the second tier; Ark, USC and Bama in the third tier. In 2 years: UF, Bama, LSU in the first tier; in 5 years Bama and UF in the 1st tier; LSU and others in the second tier; AU decent but in the third tier.

 

[IMALOYAL1]

Sorry, CLM only had 2 holdovers from CNS staff. Pellini was a Miles hire.As far as 15 minutes of fame being over, we'll see. Are you saying this from analyzing the program, or just LSU hate?

Seems like a fair question to me. We don't like others taking shots at our coach, and we will see this board grow with newcomers jumping on board the A-train. It may take some of them a while to get the hang of this boar as compared to many others.
I think the SEC has the best coaches in the country.

 

[smokewagon212]

Les just dont like us! :biggrin:

 

[bayoutider]

Sorry, CLM only had 2 holdovers from CNS staff. Pellini was a Miles hire.As far as 15 minutes of fame being over, we'll see. Are you saying this from analyzing the program, or just LSU hate?

Jimbo Fisher OC was a holdover.
Stacey Searles OL was a holdover.
Though not an on the field coach Tommy Moffitt the LSU Strength and Conditioning coach has been at LSU now for eight years and the position is considered Staff.

 

[paul02085]

Sorry, CLM only had 2 holdovers from CNS staff. Pellini was a Miles hire.As far as 15 minutes of fame being over, we'll see. Are you saying this from analyzing the program, or just LSU hate?

I dont see why any Bama people hate LSU. As a long time fan i think of them kind of like Ole Miss. No need to hate them.

Now Auburn and Tennessee are a different story.

 

[LCN]

Sorry, CLM only had 2 holdovers from CNS staff. Pellini was a Miles hire.As far as 15 minutes of fame being over, we'll see. Are you saying this from analyzing the program, or just LSU hate?

I called Ms. Cleo . :eek2: My bad on BP . I forgot about him coming over from neb . Man , you guys must just ignore my "nice" or "positive" posts . You've asked me this before and I'll give the same answer . I like lsu and always have . I was about 3 weeks away from being born and raised 100% coonass . A hurricane drove us out when mom was about to pop . I just do not like clm and after spending 3-4 days down there 2 weeks ago , I couldn't find any lsu fans who thought much of him either .

Seems like a fair question to me. We don't like others taking shots at our coach, and we will see this board grow with newcomers jumping on board the A-train. It may take some of them a while to get the hang of this boar as compared to many others.
I think the SEC has the best coaches in the country.

Yep , I'm new . :wink:

 

[LSUFan21]

Coach Saban except for DE:Francois and LB:Beckwith and all of the work on them was most likely done by his staff before he left 2 months before they signed.

That is not to imply that Pelini and Miles are not due much credit for their development, but worthy of note anyway. Of course it's normal for a stud defense to be comprised of upperclassmen.

Just noticed that 8 of LSU's starters on O (Doucet, Flynn, Hester, 4 OL and TE) were recruted by Saban too, and 2 of the other 3 signed just after he left. Williams a very fine RB was recruited by Miles.

I can't argue with any of that. You are right. Let me say some other things: Saban built the program at LSU to a very high level. He was an excellent recruiter and program builder. He got the most out of his talent. He is a great defensive mind - one of the best in football. He's the best coach LSU has had in my lifetime and I wish we still had him. Bama is fortunate to have him and you will win a lot of games and be a top program with him. I even think that you'll win between 8 and 10 games this season.

But, here's the thing: There are a lot of LSU fans who want Saban to fail at Bama because it validates us as a program - we want to know that we can stand on our own without him. After he went to Bama, he went from folk hero to scum in the eyes of many LSU fans. That is ignorant and is purely the "jilted lover syndrome." Conversely, there are a lot of Bama fans who want LSU to fail under Miles because it confirms for them that LSU is only good because of Saban and they can believe that all of the success that LSU has had is in their future as well. So, any success that LSU has from here on out is only because of Saban in the eyes of the Bama faithful. They have to believe that to justify their hope in Saban. Both positions are wrong.

LSU will likely keep winning under Miles, although there will be rebuilding years when you guys and LSU fans will say that he's a loser. Every team has them, though. Alabama will be great under Saban, although there will be years like we had in 2004 (Saban's 5th) where we were ranked #3 in the preseason and finished like #16 and didn't deserve that. We were pretty unimpressive that year. But, it won't mean that Saban isn't a great coach.

This isn't a zero sum game. For Saban to be great it doesn't mean that Miles has to be a loser. And, vice versa, although I do think that Saban is the better coach overall.

 

[GORILLA BALL]

My post should have included the caveat that this is based on the year they came out of HS, i.e., does not include the effect of transfers or any other atypical way of getting to LSU. Don't know about Pittman other than he came out of HS in '03, which would mean Saban. He is 2nd team according to Rivals' depth chart.

Just having a little fun on a Bama board. I do genuinely respect LSU and their program historically. I also think Miles has done a decent job, maybe better. But there are multitudes of examples of coaches who have done well with someone else's players then dropped off. In fact, LSU knows of one - Mike Archer. Saban left LSU absolutely loaded with talent, attitude, organization and momentum. IMO, he is the best in college football. He and Spurrier are the only coaches I've ever feared and dreaded playing in 50 years of observing Bama football.

Miles is keeping it going to some degree, but the drop off has already begun to take place and will now accelerate to some degree. Not that they will disapper by any means, but they will cease to be a dreaded juggernaut in a year or so.

what drop-off? going 11-2?