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Gary Crowton as Tide OC?

BigEasyTider said:
I don't really know that the offense as a whole was any better in 2007 than under Jimbo in 2006, but it was a lot more consistent, and that is honestly the key to it all. I was very impressed by it, and said so on numerous occasions.
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This season's offense scored over 500 points for the first time in the history of LSU. Crowton was just a better fit with Les in that they share a feeling that you go for it if you have the tools and are contending for the title. Not that Jimbo was bashful, but he was very conservative and was all about ball control. Long methodical drives that ate up time and led to scores and taking few risks. This cost us some big games, especially Auburn in 2006, when we needed quick points. Crowton isn't scared of the deep pass or of using seven or eight different receivers in a game. He can play ball control or he can play a wide-open offense.

BigEasyTider said:
I, however, wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Jimbo. He was a fine coach in his own right, and his offenses performed at a high level for seven years. Crowton had an incredible year in 2007, but it was just that, a year. Jimbo did it over a very long period of time, and in this business longevity is very impressive.
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We don't dismiss Jimbo, he's a big part of LSU's football success in the 21st century. Everybody likes Jimbo. He's going to be a fine head coach in this league some day. Crowton has already been a head coach and will likely be so again in the future. Both are top OC's, Crowton is just a better fit with the players and coaches that Miles is working with today.

TIDE-HSV said:
Like a lot of good defensive coaches, CNS needs to keep his nose out of the offense. The problem is, that last season, the setup we had really required him to enter the process as a referee. That's not good. We need a competent OC, whatever his philosophy, who can put a consistent imprint on our offense and free Saban up to concentrate on the defense.
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Indeed. When Nick had a top OC like Jimbo, he did pretty much leave it up to him. There were certain things Nick wanted, but he let Jimbo plan and execute it. Like most successful people, Nick knows his limitations, which is why I expect him to hire a top OC, even if he has to rob him from another school. I think Crowton believes LSU is his best springboard to a head coaching job. But I wouldn't blame Nick for feeling him out.
 
Jacob Hester screwed the pooch by dropping a wide-open lob pass that would have easily picked it up
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Everything else you said was fine, but this was in fact part of the refs screwing LSU. The refs called it a catch and a fumble, which replay clearly showed was the correct call. Hester had the ball and took two steps before the Auburn player made a great play and stripped it out. The ball rolled out of bounds. It should have been 1st Down LSU. Somehow, the replay ref (who was involved in several controversial calls against LSU and UF that year) found that there was conclusive evidence to overrule the initial call and call it incomplete.

Regardless, it didn't matter because LSU intercepted the ball two plays later and had it at the same spot where the 1st down would have been. However, LSU went 3 and out.

Oh yeah, I'm not still bitter about that game.:rolleyes:
 
GulfCoastTider said:
I know I may be out there with this opinion, but LSU should have lost to Florida and Alabama. If LSU had fielded teams of the same talent level as the Gators and the Tide, I think they'd have lost.

I know Fisher got knocks for his conservatism, but Crowton seems to be the diametric opposite. Fisher always played the odds and erred on the side of balance. Crowton doesn't seem to care what the odds are.
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It's the teams you lose to that you shouldn't that should raise questions about coaches- hint: UAB, ULM. ;)

Btw, how many team consistently win games when they have less talent?
 
lsutiga said:
It's the teams you lose to that you shouldn't that should raise questions about coaches- hint: UAB, ULM. ;)

Btw, how many team consistently win games when they have less talent?
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And I find it odd that when Saban lost those "embarrassing" games he did it when he first took over the program. Which indicates a lot of what he inherited was a mess. Seeing that after Saban had time to instill his philosophies and methods it NEVER happened again under his watch at LSU. But I see you didn't mind bringing that up. I think your motive is clear. I would absolutely love to be able to go back in time and replace Nick Saban with Les Miles in the year 2000. I'm sure he would have won the SEC Championship and the NC wouldn't he? I find it funny how now that Saban is with Bama many LSU fans like to say the 03 NCG was "lucK" and y'all "backed into" that game as if trying to take away from the efforts and abilities of Nick Saban. But LSU basically did the same thing this season with the exception of you had two losses this go around and only one in 03.

I wish y'all would quit trying to tear down and discredit everything that we feel as positive going at Bama, especially on a Bama board. Do it on the LSU board, which I know is what y'all do. If you think our coach is inferior to yours then fine, keep it on tigerforums or tigerdroppings or where ever you post. If you think LSU is a superior program to Alabama and that everything y'all do is better than Bama then fine. Keep it off of here.

Your coach had the benefit of inheriting a "damn strong team" before he ever stepped foot on campus. He's done a good job with what he's inherited. But let's not use two entirely different scenarios that are not even comparable to try to prove a point especially on a rival board.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
I wish y'all would quit trying to tear down and discredit everything that we feel as positive going at Bama, especially on a Bama board. Do it on the LSU board, which I know is what y'all do. If you think our coach is inferior to yours then fine, keep it on tigerforums or tigerdroppings or where ever you post. If you think LSU is a superior program to Alabama and that everything y'all do is better than Bama then fine. Keep it off of here.
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At least we can all agree that we hate Auburn.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
And I find it odd that when Saban lost those "embarrassing" games he did it when he first took over the program. Which indicates a lot of what he inherited was a mess. Seeing that after Saban had time to instill his philosophies and methods it NEVER happened again under his watch at LSU. But I see you didn't mind bringing that up. I think your motive is clear. I would absolutely love to be able to go back in time and replace Nick Saban with Les Miles in the year 2000. I'm sure he would have won the SEC Championship and the NC wouldn't he? I find it funny how now that Saban is with Bama many LSU fans like to say the 03 NCG was "lucK" and y'all "backed into" that game as if trying to take away from the efforts and abilities of Nick Saban. But LSU basically did the same thing this season with the exception of you had two losses this go around and only one in 03.

I wish y'all would quit trying to tear down and discredit everything that we feel as positive going at Bama, especially on a Bama board. Do it on the LSU board, which I know is what y'all do. If you think our coach is inferior to yours then fine, keep it on tigerforums or tigerdroppings or where ever you post. If you think LSU is a superior program to Alabama and that everything y'all do is better than Bama then fine. Keep it off of here.

Your coach had the benefit of inheriting a "damn strong team" before he ever stepped foot on campus. He's done a good job with what he's inherited. But let's not use two entirely different scenarios that are not even comparable to try to prove a point especially on a rival board.
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Great post. I agree.:BigA:
 
Bamabuzzard said:
And I find it odd that when Saban lost those "embarrassing" games he did it when he first took over the program. Which indicates a lot of what he inherited was a mess. Seeing that after Saban had time to instill his philosophies and methods it NEVER happened again under his watch at LSU. But I see you didn't mind bringing that up. I think your motive is clear. I would absolutely love to be able to go back in time and replace Nick Saban with Les Miles in the year 2000. I'm sure he would have won the SEC Championship and the NC wouldn't he? I find it funny how now that Saban is with Bama many LSU fans like to say the 03 NCG was "lucK" and y'all "backed into" that game as if trying to take away from the efforts and abilities of Nick Saban. But LSU basically did the same thing this season with the exception of you had two losses this go around and only one in 03.

I wish y'all would quit trying to tear down and discredit everything that we feel as positive going at Bama, especially on a Bama board. Do it on the LSU board, which I know is what y'all do. If you think our coach is inferior to yours then fine, keep it on tigerforums or tigerdroppings or where ever you post. If you think LSU is a superior program to Alabama and that everything y'all do is better than Bama then fine. Keep it off of here.

Your coach had the benefit of inheriting a "damn strong team" before he ever stepped foot on campus. He's done a good job with what he's inherited. But let's not use two entirely different scenarios that are not even comparable to try to prove a point especially on a rival board.
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Bravo!!!!!!!!!

After clicking on this thread I did a double take to make sure I had not been forwarded to Tigerdroppings......


Well said Bama Buzzard

THIS IS TIDEFANS!!!!!
 
Bamabuzzard said:
And I find it odd that when Saban lost those "embarrassing" games he did it when he first took over the program. Which indicates a lot of what he inherited was a mess. Seeing that after Saban had time to instill his philosophies and methods it NEVER happened again under his watch at LSU. But I see you didn't mind bringing that up. I think your motive is clear. I would absolutely love to be able to go back in time and replace Nick Saban with Les Miles in the year 2000. I'm sure he would have won the SEC Championship and the NC wouldn't he? I find it funny how now that Saban is with Bama many LSU fans like to say the 03 NCG was "lucK" and y'all "backed into" that game as if trying to take away from the efforts and abilities of Nick Saban. But LSU basically did the same thing this season with the exception of you had two losses this go around and only one in 03.

I wish y'all would quit trying to tear down and discredit everything that we feel as positive going at Bama, especially on a Bama board. Do it on the LSU board, which I know is what y'all do. If you think our coach is inferior to yours then fine, keep it on tigerforums or tigerdroppings or where ever you post. If you think LSU is a superior program to Alabama and that everything y'all do is better than Bama then fine. Keep it off of here.

Your coach had the benefit of inheriting a "damn strong team" before he ever stepped foot on campus. He's done a good job with what he's inherited. But let's not use two entirely different scenarios that are not even comparable to try to prove a point especially on a rival board.
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My new favorite post on TIDEFANS! You did a great job of stating what I (and other TIDEFANS members, from personal conversations) have felt for a while.
If I had "BAMA First Team" status or something like that I would have already weighed in on the issue with a similar opinion, but geographical circumstances have reduced me to "newbie" status (even though I have actually been a member for quite a few years) and I don't want to be seen as stirring the pot. But I think you simply hit the nail on the head and did so without malice. Thanks!
 
UA All the Way said:
I'll have to stick up for several LSU posters here. I think they add good conversation and are respectful guests. I have no idea who these new idiots are but I'm sure they'll be banned soon enough.
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I think most of them mean well, but their boards are just set up a little different and adjusting here is difficult for some. ;)
 
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