The Manufacturing of the Russian Conspiracy

[CrimsonJazz]

The Russiagate hoax seems to deserve its own thread again now that documents are being declassified that show how this whole thing was put together. Few MSM outlets seem to want to cover this unless it's to try to debunk it, but stuff keeps piling up. Of course, we all knew that the MSM wouldn't be very interested in this, which is why I'm leading off with an article about why that is. (Hint: those reasons are very self-serving.)

Silence of the Lambs: The Media Ignores Declassified Documents on the Manufacturing of the Russian Conspiracy

Consider this story: An outgoing president and his top officials are told that there is no evidence of Russian collusion or influence in the national election. The White House then moved to suppres…

jonathanturley.org

The silence of the legacy media is hardly surprising, given the key role the media played in spreading these false claims. Most media outlets find themselves in an uncomfortable position, having fostered an alleged conspiracy for years. Most reporters are not keen on making a case against themselves in spreading of these false claims.

 

[Bamaro]

The media has been silent because it has already been beaten to death and there is nothing new.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Here's the first document drop from last week.

There are a lot of redactions, so take that for what's it's worth.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

FBI Analyst On Russia Hoax: 'Our Instructions...Were To Push This'

An analyst interviewed by House investigators about claims of Russian collusion said FBI leadership made it clear 'we were to push this.'

thefederalist.com

Link to the staff report referred to in the article.

 

[JDCrimson]

They are only trucking this out as cover for the Epstein-Trump scandal...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

They are only trucking this out as cover for the Epstein-Trump scandal...

Yep.

just remember:
a) there are no Epstein files
b) but even if there are, Trump‘s name is not in them
c) and if Trump‘s name is in them, it’s because Obama-Biden created fake documents

Besides, the Mueller report said there was no collusion, so I’m not sure what these folks think they’re going to tell us. Mueller himself said the Trump clown car wanted to collude, but was too stupid to know how to collude.

 

[JDCrimson]

They are still trying to collude with Russia and still too stupid to know how to do it...

Yep.

just remember:
a) there are no Epstein files
b) but even if there are, Trump‘s name is not in them
c) and if Trump‘s name is in them, it’s because Obama-Biden created fake documents

Besides, the Mueller report said there was no collusion, so I’m not sure what these folks think they’re going to tell us. Mueller himself said the Trump clown car wanted to collude, but was too stupid to know how to collude.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Trump is involved in some manner with Epstein. I see no reason to believe it wasn't a full, willing, and long-term participation in his trafficking. The mainstream media didn't cover the FBI pushing the false narrative of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

So I don't think that Trump is wrong about the mainstream media's lack of investigation -- Joe Biden says hello, as does Hunter, as does Hillary Clinton, to name just a few. I also don't think that the mainstream media is wrong today about Trump's involvement with Epstein -- which I believe is the only reason the documents haven't been released.

I guarantee if Joe Biden or Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries or any of a hundred other Democrats were named, the list would have been public on the afternoon of Inauguration Day, 2025.

It just means that (1) given their history of lies or intentional misleading narratives, neither Trump nor the media have any credibility, and (2) each has now found its own convenient red herring. With it, they can simultaneously redirect attention from their own shortcomings, slap the other side, and incite their base....correctly assuming that their respective bases are stupid and tribalistic enough to gobble up whatever pablum they put in front of them.

 

[CaliforniaTide]

Trump is involved in some manner with Epstein. I see no reason to believe it wasn't a full, willing, and long-term participation in his trafficking. The mainstream media didn't cover the FBI pushing the false narrative of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

So I don't think that Trump is wrong about the mainstream media's lack of investigation -- Joe Biden says hello, as does Hunter, as does Hillary Clinton, to name just a few. I also don't think that the mainstream media is wrong today about Trump's involvement with Epstein -- which I believe is the only reason the documents haven't been released.

I guarantee if Joe Biden or Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries or any of a hundred other Democrats were named, the list would have been public on the afternoon of Inauguration Day, 2025.

It just means that (1) given their history of lies or intentional misleading narratives, neither Trump nor the media have any credibility, and (2) each has now found its own convenient red herring. With it, they can simultaneously redirect attention from their own shortcomings, slap the other side, and incite their base....correctly assuming that their respective bases are stupid and tribalistic enough to gobble up whatever pablum they put in front of them.

I'm thinking this as well. I don't think Trump would be going all-out in saying any connections to Epstein are false and unimportant/irrelevant if he wasn't truly concerned about the info that is in the files. Plus, he's the POTUS - I'm confident he knows what's in there.

The MSM has been biased towards the left, as a whole, and even overlooked Biden's issues until they couldn't any longer. I personally believe the MSM went in on Trump running against Clinton in 2016 b/c they wanted the ratings/clicks, and did not believe that Trump had any chance to defeat Clinton.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Trump is involved in some manner with Epstein. I see no reason to believe it wasn't a full, willing, and long-term participation in his trafficking. The mainstream media didn't cover the FBI pushing the false narrative of Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean, but the media absolutely covered the FACT - and it is a FACT - of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Now just to be clear: the media somewhat irresponsibly latched onto the hackneyed phrase "Russian interference" and enabled the narrative of SUGGESTING BUT NEVER HAVING TO COME OUT AND SAY the words "Trump stole the election." Nobody is alleging that Russia flipped votes in precincts, but the use of those words was a convenient rubric the Ds could hide behind and get the same mileage.

So I'm probably missing what you're saying here.

So I don't think that Trump is wrong about the mainstream media's lack of investigation -- Joe Biden says hello, as does Hunter, as does Hillary Clinton, to name just a few. I also don't think that the mainstream media is wrong today about Trump's involvement with Epstein -- which I believe is the only reason the documents haven't been released.

I guarantee if Joe Biden or Chuck Schumer or Hakeem Jeffries or any of a hundred other Democrats were named, the list would have been public on the afternoon of Inauguration Day, 2025.

Not if Trump's name was even more prominent.

It just means that (1) given their history of lies or intentional misleading narratives, neither Trump nor the media have any credibility, and (2) each has now found its own convenient red herring. With it, they can simultaneously redirect attention from their own shortcomings, slap the other side, and incite their base....correctly assuming that their respective bases are stupid and tribalistic enough to gobble up whatever pablum they put in front of them.

And this is correct, too.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I'm thinking this as well. I don't think Trump would be going all-out in saying any connections to Epstein are false and unimportant/irrelevant if he wasn't truly concerned about the info that is in the files. Plus, he's the POTUS - I'm confident he knows what's in there.

Oh he knows.

Better than that....he knows exactly what he did and is trying to pull the old trick of "conceal by confession," where you owe up to what can be proven conclusively and then deny everything else. Like when the baseball players ALWAYS - 100% of the time - minimize their own use of PEDs down to no more than what is known. Or when a politician owes up to an "inappropriate relationship" with Lady A but never tells you he's also seeing Ladies B/C/D/E.

(You know what's forgotten in the whole thing in 1987? Gary Hart was NOT destroyed because he.....maybe (I'm sure he did).....had a fling with model Donna Rice. He was destroyed when the Washington Post got word that a man who thought Hart was seeing his wife hired a private eye the previous December and got photos of Hart entering and exiting his house along with an acknowledgement from the woman that they'd had an affair. WaPo notified his spokesperson of what they had and THAT is when he decided to withdraw from the race. It never made a big public splash because once he withdrew, it was no longer news. But Hart was trying to make us all think - especially when he re-entered the race - that he'd admitted to everything).

The MSM has been biased towards the left, as a whole, and even overlooked Biden's issues until they couldn't any longer. I personally believe the MSM went in on Trump running against Clinton in 2016 b/c they wanted the ratings/clicks, and did not believe that Trump had any chance to defeat Clinton.

I agree with all of this.

What's hilarious is you're not allowed to point out the media's bias except for Fox News - and yet Jimmy Carter's 1976 electoral strategy depended IN PART upon the demonstrable fact that there is a news media with a left-wing bias, although to be fair it was hardly as bad as it is now. That was in the memos of Hamilton Jordan during the planning stages and was covered by Jules Witcover in "Marathon."

 

[dtgreg]

2017 Russia Election Interference Report


Per Marco Rubio, Chair:

Putin Ordered Campaign To Influence US Election

We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign then focused on undermining her expected presidency.

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

In trying to influence the US election, we assess the Kremlin sought to advance its longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, the promotion of which Putin and other senior Russian leaders view as a threat to Russia and Putin’s regime.

 

[Bamaro]

The Russiagate hoax seems to deserve its own thread again now that documents are being declassified that show how this whole thing was put together. Few MSM outlets seem to want to cover this unless it's to try to debunk it, but stuff keeps piling up. Of course, we all knew that the MSM wouldn't be very interested in this, which is why I'm leading off with an article about why that is. (Hint: those reasons are very self-serving.)

Silence of the Lambs: The Media Ignores Declassified Documents on the Manufacturing of the Russian Conspiracy

Consider this story: An outgoing president and his top officials are told that there is no evidence of Russian collusion or influence in the national election. The White House then moved to suppres…

jonathanturley.org

No hoax at all. Just read the US Senate intelligence Committee reoprt that was unanimous and chaired by Little Marco.

 

[AWRTR]

I may be proven wrong, but if there is dirt on Trump in the Epstein stuff you guys that believe that are going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that the Democrats controlled the WH and DOJ for 4 years and the Congress for 2 and sat on it!!!!!!

They leaked his tax returns. They used every loophole they could to bring charges in the NY case. The documents case was legit as it was with Biden. Jan 6th stuff legit as well. He's been accused by Dems being everything but the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

With that straight face you're telling me the Dems wouldn't have leaked any information on Epstein and Trump if there was real dirt to be had. We have people leaking SCOTUS decisions and everything else under the sun. Those facts alone make me very suspicious that there is any real dirt on Trump in any of this. If there is then so be it, but unless what is in it will take down the top Dems and their donor class it makes no sense not to have released it during the Biden administration, and even then why not just leak the Trump stuff only and have a dog and pony show trying to "find" the leaker.

 

[dtgreg]

Oh he knows.

Better than that....he knows exactly what he did and is trying to pull the old trick of "conceal by confession," where you owe up to what can be proven conclusively and then deny everything else. Like when the baseball players ALWAYS - 100% of the time - minimize their own use of PEDs down to no more than what is known. Or when a politician owes up to an "inappropriate relationship" with Lady A but never tells you he's also seeing Ladies B/C/D/E.

(You know what's forgotten in the whole thing in 1987? Gary Hart was NOT destroyed because he.....maybe (I'm sure he did).....had a fling with model Donna Rice. He was destroyed when the Washington Post got word that a man who thought Hart was seeing his wife hired a private eye the previous December and got photos of Hart entering and exiting his house along with an acknowledgement from the woman that they'd had an affair. WaPo notified his spokesperson of what they had and THAT is when he decided to withdraw from the race. It never made a big public splash because once he withdrew, it was no longer news. But Hart was trying to make us all think - especially when he re-entered the race - that he'd admitted to everything).





I agree with all of this.

What's hilarious is you're not allowed to point out the media's bias except for Fox News - and yet Jimmy Carter's 1976 electoral strategy depended IN PART upon the demonstrable fact that there is a news media with a left-wing bias, although to be fair it was hardly as bad as it is now. That was in the memos of Hamilton Jordan during the planning stages and was covered by Jules Witcover in "Marathon."

God, I hated that guy.

 

[dtgreg]

I may be proven wrong, but if there is dirt on Trump in the Epstein stuff you guys that believe that are going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that the Democrats controlled the WH and DOJ for 4 years and the Congress for 2 and sat on it!!!!!!

They leaked his tax returns. They used every loophole they could to bring charges in the NY case. The documents case was legit as it was with Biden. Jan 6th stuff legit as well. He's been accused by Dems being everything but the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

With that straight face you're telling me the Dems wouldn't have leaked any information on Epstein and Trump if there was real dirt to be had. We have people leaking SCOTUS decisions and everything else under the sun. Those facts alone make me very suspicious that there is any real dirt on Trump in any of this. If there is then so be it, but unless what is in it will take down the top Dems and their donor class it makes no sense not to have released it during the Biden administration, and even then why not just leak the Trump stuff only and have a dog and pony show trying to "find" the leaker.

Clinton was on the Lolita Express. Prince Andrew. Bill Gates. Who knows who else?

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I may be proven wrong, but if there is dirt on Trump in the Epstein stuff you guys that believe that are going to sit there with a straight face and tell me that the Democrats controlled the WH and DOJ for 4 years and the Congress for 2 and sat on it!!!!!!

You mean the ones sealed by the court during Biden's time???

It's so funny when Trump's folks think that because HE would do something dirty, it means EVERYONE ELSE would, too.

And maybe Biden forgot he had them. I mean, this whole "he's running a criminal enterprise" mixed with "he can't even pee without help" is getting old.

They leaked his tax returns.

"They" prosecuted the leaker.....

And those were leaked WHILE DONALD TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE.......so I'm not exactly sure how this is Biden's fault.....

Charles Edward Littlejohn, 38, of Washington, D.C., gave data to The New York Times and ProPublica between 2018 and 2020 in leaks that appeared to be "unparalleled in the IRS's history," prosecutors said.

They used every loophole they could to bring charges in the NY case.

He was found guilty by a jury of his peers. But those were all biased folks, right?

The documents case was legit as it was with Biden. Jan 6th stuff legit as well. He's been accused by Dems being everything but the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

Well, Trump himself told us that was Ted Cruz's father so.....

With that straight face you're telling me the Dems wouldn't have leaked any information on Epstein

That makes more sense than Trump:
a) promising to release these files
b) suddenly telling us there's no list and
c) OBAMA-COMEY created the list his AG says doesn't exist.

The non-leak from the Biden side could actually be seen as, "Hey, a judge sealed those."

Trump, on the other hand, has ONLY ONE REASON to not release it - if I apply your logic.....

and Trump if there was real dirt to be had. We have people leaking SCOTUS decisions and everything else under the sun. Those facts alone make me very suspicious that there is any real dirt on Trump in any of this. If there is then so be it, but unless what is in it will take down the top Dems and their donor class it makes no sense not to have released it during the Biden administration, and even then why not just leak the Trump stuff only and have a dog and pony show trying to "find" the leaker.

Respectfully - it made sense because the records were sealed.

It also made sense because, you know, Biden couldn't be left alone in a room with a cuisinart.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

In 2023, John Brennan testified to Congress where he denied to @mattgaetz that the Steele Dossier was included in the 2016 ICA on Russian meddling and that he wasn’t involved in even analyzing it.

Tulsi Gabbard’s latest release shows that not only was it directly cited, but that Brennan et al overruled senior intel officials who warned them it was garbage.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948045315757551791

 

[bamamc1]

Clinton was on the Lolita Express. Prince Andrew. Bill Gates. Who knows who else?

I'm sure many celebs and folks from both sides of the aisle.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

In 2023, John Brennan testified to Congress where he denied to @mattgaetz that the Steele Dossier was included in the 2016 ICA on Russian meddling and that he wasn’t involved in even analyzing it.

Tulsi Gabbard’s latest release shows that not only was it directly cited, but that Brennan et al overruled senior intel officials who warned them it was garbage.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948045315757551791

Tulsi Gabbard is the source. SHE SAYS this happened. (We don't even know FOR SURE that this is from any classified document). This is the same administration the created fake electoral vote certificates so they don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt.

Let's see her go up and testify UNDER OATH in front of the TV cameras before we give anything that comes from this "desperate to change the subject" administration any credence.

Sure, she might be right.
She might be 100% right.

But "let me frame this narrative for you" doesn't fly with me.