The Manufacturing of the Russian Conspiracy

[selmaborntidefan]

God, I hated that guy.

Gary Hart?

I think it was Senator Paul Simon - I think he was the one - who actually said that he was running for President despite having virtually no disagreements on issues with Hart because "we need someone reliable." And I think it was the Dukakis campaign's polling that said, "I never polled where a front-runner had that many negatives."

The same pollster btw (Tubby Harrison) was the ONE DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER who was warning the Hillary campaign (and the Bernie camp) in 2016, "Trump CAN win this, and there IS a 'silent Trump' vote, so you'd better add 3-4 points to what your polls are showing he has."

 

[92tide]

No hoax at all. Just read the US Senate intelligence Committee reoprt that was unanimous and chaired by Little Marco.

you must be new here. welcome

 

[Huckleberry]

Americans should beware of Gabbard's 'dangerous distraction' with revisionist history of 2016 election

DNI Tulsi Gabbard's claims about the 2016 election conflate Russian 'hacking' with 'influence' operations, rewriting history while diverting attention from the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.

www.foxnews.com

Americans should beware of Gabbard's 'dangerous distraction' with revisionist history of 2016 election
President Trump's intelligence director is pushing false narratives about Obama officials related to the 2016 election to divert attention from other problems

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Tulsi Gabbard is the source. SHE SAYS this happened. (We don't even know FOR SURE that this is from any classified document). This is the same administration the created fake electoral vote certificates so they don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt.

Let's see her go up and testify UNDER OATH in front of the TV cameras before we give anything that comes from this "desperate to change the subject" administration any credence.

Sure, she might be right.
She might be 100% right.

But "let me frame this narrative for you" doesn't fly with me.

Well yeah, that's the point of handing this over to the DOJ. IF the DOJ actually does their job here, we'll know, I guess. Just so we're clear here, I'm not suggesting anyone take anything said in D.C. at face value. Not Tulsi. Not Trump. Not Schiff. And certainly not Obama or Clinton. All I want is the truth, even if it doesn't support my own suspicions (which is not an outlook typically seen around the U.S.)

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Americans should beware of Gabbard's 'dangerous distraction' with revisionist history of 2016 election
President Trump's intelligence director is pushing false narratives about Obama officials related to the 2016 election to divert attention from other problems

It's a good thing we're all in agreement about the trustworthiness of Fox News. I mean, we are......aren't we?

 

[AWRTR]

Tulsi Gabbard is the source. SHE SAYS this happened. (We don't even know FOR SURE that this is from any classified document). This is the same administration the created fake electoral vote certificates so they don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt.

Let's see her go up and testify UNDER OATH in front of the TV cameras before we give anything that comes from this "desperate to change the subject" administration any credence.

Sure, she might be right.
She might be 100% right.

But "let me frame this narrative for you" doesn't fly with me.

It flies with you if the framing of the narrative reinforces your point or your view.

 

[Huckleberry]

It's a good thing we're all in agreement about the trustworthiness of Fox News. I mean, we are......aren't we?

I place Fox News one step above anything that comes out of the Trump Administration.

 

[AWRTR]

I place Fox News one step above anything that comes out of the Trump Administration.

I put Fox and MSNBC on the same level. They just cheer for different teams. It's all partisan one sided nonsense no one should watch either.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I put Fox and MSNBC on the same level. They just cheer for different teams. It's all partisan one sided nonsense no one should watch either.

Exactly. I was happy when FN fired Tucker because I knew it would hasten their demise. (It also took the leash off of Carlson, who was clearly holding back at the time.) FN isn't going to die anytime soon, but nevertheless, they took the hit and lost a lot of viewers. Of the Trump supporting friends I have, only a handful of them still watch and that's usually because of Gutfeld.

 

[AWRTR]

Exactly. I was happy when FN fired Tucker because I knew it would hasten their demise. (It also took the leash off of Carlson, who was clearly holding back at the time.) FN isn't going to die anytime soon, but nevertheless, they took the hit and lost a lot of viewers. Of the Trump supporting friends I have, only a handful of them still watch and that's usually because of Gutfeld.

Tucker has completely lost his mind. I expect him to say the earth is flat soon. CNN and MSNBC will sink before Fox because it's the only far right channel with the capacity for a large reach. The liberals and lefties have more "main stream" outlets to choose from. It dilutes their numbers making the model harder to maintain.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Tucker has completely lost his mind. I expect him to say the earth is flat soon. CNN and MSNBC will sink before Fox because it's the only far right channel with the capacity for a large reach. The liberals and lefties have more "main stream" outlets to choose from. It dilutes their numbers making the model harder to maintain.

All true and I had taken that into consideration. The left-wing media machine is too saturated and that's why Colbert was losing $40m per year. He is only the first domino to fall and MSDNC will likely be sold again. (Although why anyone would buy a loser like this is a genuine mystery to me.)

Tuck hasn't lost his mind; he knows exactly what he is doing. Like any other journalist and/or talk-show host, it's important to remember that we don't know what these people really believe. For the MSM people, the mandate is pushing narrative and propaganda. For guys like Rogan and Carlson, it's about putting something out there that people really want to listen to. It's about being interesting. It's about entertaining people. Mostly it's about giving someone an option outside of having bad-faith actors try to exploit them into acting against their own interests. Be honest, what would you rather listen to: theories about UFOs or hearing Hannity and Maddow continue manipulating stupid people?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Well yeah, that's the point of handing this over to the DOJ.

Gabbard has already declared them guilty and so has Trump.

That's not "turning it over to the DOJ."

That's telling them the spin to give.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Tucker has completely lost his mind. I expect him to say the earth is flat soon. CNN and MSNBC will sink before Fox because it's the only far right channel with the capacity for a large reach. The liberals and lefties have more "main stream" outlets to choose from. It dilutes their numbers making the model harder to maintain.

If Tucker was a woman and it involved sex, there's a certain five-letter word he would be called.

And it's still accurate.

 

[jthomas666]

Well yeah, that's the point of handing this over to the DOJ.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Gabbard has already declared them guilty and so has Trump.

That's not "turning it over to the DOJ."

That's telling them the spin to give.

Fair enough; I can understand why it's hard to give the DOJ the benefit of the doubt after four years of the Biden administration. So what's the alternative? A clubhouse pinkie-swear that Dems and Republicans agree on to look the other way regarding each others' transgressions? That's about the most D.C. thing I've ever heard, but I suppose it's a solution (it's just a stupid one.) Drain the swamp.....just not our swamp.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Gabbard made it a point (over and over again) to parrot disinformation straight from the Kremlin propaganda media. She publicly made excuses for the murderous Assad regime in Syria, parroted false information about Ukraine.

If she's not a Russian asset, she a totally discredited person who should never be anywhere near this nation's national security.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

It flies with you if the framing of the narrative reinforces your point or your view.

Me, no.

I want the truth, and I don't care who gets hurt.

But generically, I concur.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Gabbard made it a point (over and over again) to parrot disinformation straight from the Kremlin propaganda media. She publicly made excuses for the murderous Assad regime in Syria, parroted false information about Ukraine.

If she's not a Russian asset, she a totally discredited person who should never be anywhere near this nation's national security.

What's funny is her claims will undo her the moment Trump changes his mind.

Which happens about as often as he changes mistresses.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

President Donald Trump also said Friday that former President Barack Obama "owes me big" following the Supreme Court’s presidential immunity ruling.

"It probably helps him a lot. Probably helps a lot. The immunity ruling, but it doesn't help the people around him at all. But it probably helps him a lot," Trump said Friday. "He's done criminal acts, there’s no question about it. But he has immunity, and it probably helps him a lot... he owes me big, Obama owes me big."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948761748074627257

Well, he's not wrong. The idea that Obama would wind up in prison is laugh-out-loud preposterous.