ICE Officer Kills Motorist In Minneapolis

[CrimsonJazz]

It really is simple with law enforcement.
If they say stop, you stop.
If they say let me see your license, you show them your license.
If they want proof of insurance or registration, you show.
Just do what you are asked.

Nonsense, only fascists obey the law. Anyone who disagrees is “literally” Hitler.

 

[Huckleberry]

Kind of funny that the conservatives and independents on this board see the errors of both people involved. Yet, most of the lefties are "all in" on Good being completely innocent and not someone who spent her significant free time looking for trouble. Unfortunately, she found it.

Lots of blame at the macro- and micro-levels to go around, including state and local governments not doing their jobs and leftists politicians encouraging their useful idiots to put themselves in harm’s way. Martyrs for the tribe, I guess.

Many of the conservatives and independents on this board may pay lip service to the idea that both sides contributed to the situation, but they also have made it clear they feel that it was the victim (and often the Democrats) who bear the bulk of the responsibility. It’s the same pattern that they follow with Trump: they’ll tell you how much they don’t like him, but their criticism and outrage is reserved for everyone else.

 

[Huckleberry]

Okay?

Literally changes nothing I said - he was likely unable to see the direction the wheels were pointed when she hit the accelerator. And she still hit him.

He could see that she was turning away from him. And maybe (or maybe not) she hit him but it’s clear that was not her intent. He’s the one who stepped in front of her car so he could get video.

 

[Bazza]

Of course, he wouldn't have been hit at all had he followed proper procedure and not stepped in front of a moving vehicle.

Looked to me he was in the process of CIRCLING AROUND TO THE SIDE of the vehicle to get to the side of it.........when all of a sudden she elected to move her vehicle forward.

In other words....it was not his intention to stand in front of the vehicle.

He just happened to be in that position at the time she went forward.

 

[Bazza]

This meme is just dishonest.

Hey Bazza, are you SURE about this?

Her name was Laken Riley.

I did a search and found 14 posts about her in this forum.

Compare to this 14 PAGE thread about the lady shot while trying to evade law enforcement, and draw your own conclusions......

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/22/us/who-was-laken-riley

 

[crimsonaudio]

He could see that she was turning away from him. And maybe (or maybe not) she hit him but it’s clear that was not her intent. He’s the one who stepped in front of her car so he could get video.

Again, if he couldn't see her wheels, how did he know she's steering away from him and not toward him? You presume that he was aware of the direction of her wheels, when most likely they were not visible from the front of the SUV due to his proximity to the vehicle.

This was avoidable - all he had to do was not be in front of the SUV. And all she had to do was not gun the vehicle and hit an officer (whom she was looking at as she did so).

As I said before, both are at fault - if either one of them had acted differently, she'd likely be alive now.

 

[Bamaro]

Her name was Laken Riley.

I did a search and found 14 posts about her in this forum.

Compare to this 14 PAGE thread about the lady shot while trying to evade law enforcement, and draw your own conclusions......

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/22/us/who-was-laken-riley

We shouldn't be judging LEOs the same as street thugs.

 

[Huckleberry]

Again, if he couldn't see her wheels, how did he know she's steering away from him and not toward him? You presume that he was aware of the direction of her wheels, when most likely they were not visible from the front of the SUV due to his proximity to the vehicle.

This was avoidable - all he had to do was not be in front of the SUV. And all she had to do was not gun the vehicle and hit an officer (whom she was looking at as she did so).

As I said before, both are at fault - if either one of them had acted differently, she'd likely be alive now.

Look at the video from his camera. It’s absolutely undeniable that she was turning to her right before she started moving forward, away from where he was standing. If he was watching her, he saw that.

Yes, she made a mistake by trying to drive off. However, he’s supposed to be the professional. In the end, it’s his responsibility.

 

[Bazza]

We shouldn't be judging LEOs the same as street thugs.

You think that's the issue here?

How about comparing 2 humans who lost their lives due to differing approaches to illegal immigration enforcement.

You can make all the arguments you want about whether Good deserved to die because of her actions - but compared to Laken Riley being murdered because of her actions - it's not even close.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Many of the conservatives and independents on this board may pay lip service to the idea that both sides contributed to the situation, but they also have made it clear they feel that it was the victim (and often the Democrats) who bear the bulk of the responsibility. It’s the same pattern that they follow with Trump: they’ll tell you how much they don’t like him, but their criticism and outrage is reserved for everyone else.

Maybe. I can't speak for anyone else. But, as I see it, the left on here pushes so hard on the TDS that the legitimate Trump complaints (and I have a lot), get minimized by all the hysteria. There's no acknowledgement that their own tribe is highly flawed. It's all just hand waived away (e.g. it's just a stutter).

 

[crimsonaudio]

Look at the video from his camera. It’s absolutely undeniable that she was turning to her right before she started moving forward, away from where he was standing. If he was watching her, he saw that.

She was looking right at him when she hit him.

Yes, she made a mistake by trying to drive off. However, he’s supposed to be the professional. In the end, it’s his responsibility.

It's both. She acted a like a fool and paid the price for her actions. Whether the shooting was justifiable or not is up for debate, not whether or not she struck an officer with her vehicle.

 

[92tide]

She was looking right at him when she hit him.


It's both. She acted a like a fool and paid the price for her actions. Whether the shooting was justifiable or not is up for debate, not whether or not she struck an officer with her vehicle.

it’s really not up for debate that the shooting was justified. it has been noted in here many times that he did not follow the rules and put himself in the situation.

 

[Bodhisattva]

it’s really not up for debate that the shooting was justified. it has been noted in here many times that he did not follow the rules and put himself in the situation.

It's not really up for debate that she broke multiple laws and was just downright dumb to interjecting herself into this event. I hate that this happened to her. But, if had been acting responsibly, she’d be home with her family right now. Lots of blame to go around. You have to be smart enough to weigh the costs/benefits of your actions. Sadly, she was way off on her calculations (if she even bothered to do the math).

 

[crimsonaudio]

it’s really not up for debate that the shooting was justified. it has been noted in here many times that he did not follow the rules and put himself in the situation.

Just because he didn't follow protocol doesn't automatically mean the shooting was unjustified - an officer breaking the rules doesn't mean that someone endangering his life automatically gets a pass for their actions.

 

[92tide]

Just because he didn't follow protocol doesn't automatically mean the shooting was unjustified - an officer breaking the rules doesn't mean that someone endangering his life automatically gets a pass for their actions.

what she did does not fall under endangering his life

 

[Huckleberry]

You think that's the issue here?

How about comparing 2 humans who lost their lives due to differing approaches to illegal immigration enforcement.

You can make all the arguments you want about whether Good deserved to die because of her actions - but compared to Laken Riley being murdered because of her actions - it's not even close.

Why in the world are you comparing these two deaths? Is blaming Biden always the end game?

 

[crimsonaudio]

what she did does not fall under endangering his life

Again, debatable - but if not for the patch of ice she was sitting on allowing her front wheels to spin when she initially attempted to accelerate it very well could have been a very different (very dangerous) outcome for the officer.

Gov Walz signed into law Minnesota statute § 609.066 in 2020, which permits law enforcement officers to use deadly force against a vehicle if they reasonably believe it poses an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm (even before physical impact occurs).

So it's not exactly wish-casting to suggest her running into the officer could be construed as endangering his life.

 

[92tide]

Again, debatable - but if not for the patch of ice she was sitting on allowing her front wheels to spin when she initially attempted to accelerate it very well could have been a very different (very dangerous) outcome for the officer.

Gov Walz signed into law Minnesota statute § 609.066 in 2020, which permits law enforcement officers to use deadly force against a vehicle if they reasonably believe it poses an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm (even before physical impact occurs).

So it's not exactly wish-casting to suggest her running into the officer could be construed as endangering his life.

to the extent that this law applies to ice agents, point ii below seems to imply deadly force isn’t justifiable in this situation. he put himself in the situation and was easily able to remove himself from said situation

regardless, i think we are about to see a big change in what “reasonable” means vis a vis deadly force by government agents against us citizens and we will all be much worse off for it

Sec. 609.066 MN Statutes

www.revisor.mn.gov

officers.
§Subd. 2.Use of deadly force. (a) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 609.06 or 609.065, the use of deadly force by a peace officer in the line of duty is justified only if an objectively reasonable officer would believe, based on the totality of the circumstances known to the officer at the time and without the benefit of hindsight, that such force is necessary:
(1) to protect the peace officer or another from death or great bodily harm, provided that the threat:
(i) can be articulated with specificity;
(ii) is reasonably likely to occur absent action by the law enforcement officer; and
(iii) must be addressed through the use of deadly force without unreasonable delay; or

 

[92tide]

Why in the world are you comparing these two deaths? Is blaming Biden always the end game?

yes

 

[Tidewater]

There was NO reason for that woman to be shot in the head at nearly point blank range through the side window of her car! No properly trained officer should have ever done it. No reasonable person would have done it under these conditions.

It is interesting the extent to which the human mind can massage the facts to fit the preconceived notions.
I do not accept the characterization that Good was a "domestic terrorist." That is silly.
That said, she was shot through the windshield, not the side window. There is a bullet hole in the windshield.