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Andruw Jones elected to the Hall of Fame

There are worse selections.

It’s Andruw’s fault for leaving doubt but great to have another Atlanta Brave in the pantheon.

I see they forgave Beltran finally. Saw him in person at least twice, once during his brief tenure with the Rangers and in Zack Greinke’s first career start with the Royals in Oakland.
 
selmaborntidefan said:
There are worse selections.

It’s Andruw’s fault for leaving doubt but great to have another Atlanta Brave in the pantheon.

I see they forgave Beltran finally. Saw him in person at least twice, once during his brief tenure with the Rangers and in Zack Greinke’s first career start with the Royals in Oakland.
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You know as well as I do that if Andruw was a Yankee, he would already be in.
 
What made Andruw so good was the jump he got on the ball after it was hit. He made alot of very difficult plays look routine. I feel like he made more spectacular catches when Tom Glavine was on the mound.
 
DzynKingRTR said:
You know as well as I do that if Andruw was a Yankee, he would already be in.
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Also true - except he DID play for the Yankees his last 2 years. I know what you mean, though. If he had hit those two home runs in the World Series for the Yankees and they had won, yes, he would probably already be in there.

Then again, the voters haven’t enshrined Munson or Mattingly, and their fanbase won’t let it go although neither belongs. (Mattingly has the better case but his is similar to Andruw in that he fell off a couple of years too soon).

What was killing Andruw was the overnight collapse combined with the fact his batting average - in a hitter’s era in a hitter’s park - is pretty lame.

Of the ten most similar players to Andruw, eight are NOT in the Hall and one that is (Gil Hodges) only got there because he managed the 1969 Mets. Ironically, the most similar player to Andruw is a guy named Dale Murphy. And despite the claims there is not one shred of evidence that backs up the claim he was the greatest defensive center fielder ever; the sabermetric stat used to make this claim doesn’t exist for most guys. Now having said that…..best defensive CF of HIS ERA? Yes, l agree. Now l get the “but Harold Baines” argument but it’s a stupid argument to say “he’s better than the worst outfielder ever elected”, too.

I’m always glad when a Braves- especially in the Atlanta era - makes it, and he’s better than some guys chosen as well.

But let’s be blunt: Murphy belongs in the Hall ahead of Andruw.
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
Also true - except he DID play for the Yankees his last 2 years. I know what you mean, though. If he had hit those two home runs in the World Series for the Yankees and they had won, yes, he would probably already be in there.

Then again, the voters haven’t enshrined Munson or Mattingly, and their fanbase won’t let it go although neither belongs. (Mattingly has the better case but his is similar to Andruw in that he fell off a couple of years too soon).

What was killing Andruw was the overnight collapse combined with the fact his batting average - in a hitter’s era in a hitter’s park - is pretty lame.

Of the ten most similar players to Andruw, eight are NOT in the Hall and one that is (Gil Hodges) only got there because he managed the 1969 Mets. Ironically, the most similar player to Andruw is a guy named Dale Murphy. And despite the claims there is not one shred of evidence that backs up the claim he was the greatest defensive center fielder ever; the sabermetric stat used to make this claim doesn’t exist for most guys. Now having said that…..best defensive CF of HIS ERA? Yes, l agree. Now l get the “but Harold Baines” argument but it’s a stupid argument to say “he’s better than the worst outfielder ever elected”, too.

I’m always glad when a Braves- especially in the Atlanta era - makes it, and he’s better than some guys chosen as well.

But let’s be blunt: Murphy belongs in the Hall ahead of Andruw.
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Yeah, I still don't understand why Dale Murphy isn't in. There are a bunch of guys already in that Murphy was much better than.
 
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DzynKingRTR said:
Yeah, I still don't understand why Dale Murphy isn't in. There are a bunch of guys already in that Murphy was much better than.
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This is the one that absolutely puzzles me the most.

Andruw not getting in, I understand that - low batting average, shortened career on a powerhouse team where he was never "the" guy you'd not trade until after the division title streak ended. Jones had five other Hall of Fame teammates on the 1997 Braves team that Eric Gregg killed - and if you had to give up a player in the expansion draft, you'd let Andruw go before Maddux, Glavine, or Chipper FOR SURE and probably before Smoltz. Maybe NOT McGriff by 1997 (with Andruw being only 20), but still.

Consider Andruw vs Dale Murphy:
- amazingly, Jones only played 16 more career games than Murphy did
- in those 16 games, Murph went to the plate 377 more times
- Murph scored 7 fewer runs but had 177 more hits
- in Murphy's 1982-87 peak, the Braves averaged 4.24 runs per game; during Andruw's peak (1999-2005), the Braves averaged 4.91 runs per game, making Murphy's runs FAR MORE VALUABLE to his team than Andruw's were. The LEAGUE AVERAGE during 99-05 was 4.82, the Braves ABOVE average 3 of those 7 years; during Murphy's peak, the LEAGUE AVERAGE was 4.38, and the Braves were only above average twice - in 1982 and 1983....oh yes, the years Murphy won the MVP award by leading the league both years in RBIs
- Andruw had 32 more homers; remind me exactly who else was in the lineup to protect Murphy when Bob Horner was injured or gone? Plus - Murphy led the league in walks once, intentional walks once, and was in the top 5 in IBBs four times; Andruw was never higher than 8th in IBBs (twice) and never led the league in walks.
- Andruw led the league in homers (the hitting difference between them) ONCE; Murphy led the league in home runs TWICE on teams with losing records
- Andruw led the league once in RBIs (top ten three times), Murphy twice (top FIVE four times)
- we think of Andruw as faster (and no doubt he covered more ground in the outfield), but Murphy actually stole nine more bases, although he was also caught nine more times. Murphy also had more triples than Andruw, three more
- both guys struck out 1748 times
- Murphy had 95 more walks, and an OBP nine points higher - AGAIN, on lesser teams
- Murphy won five straight Gold Gloves (1982-86)...and he stopped winning when they moved him to RIGHT FIELD in 1987, where he had to beat out Tony Gwynn, who was four years younger and a better fielder on (usually) better teams

When you compare the teams they played on, Murphy played a much larger role in the success of HIS Braves teams than Andruw did HIS, which is why Murphy was the guy who won consecutive MVPs.

You think of the best players of the 1980s, and Murphy WITHOUT QUESTION is on that list.
Andruw - yes, defensively.


This is becoming more difficult to accept the more guys who get in over Murphy who shouldn't. And I don't think Andruw was a "horrible" selection, but he 100% should not have gone in ahead of Murphy, either.
 
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Jack Bourbon said:
Jones was a great clutch hitter
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Chipper was.

Andruw???

After his two home runs in his first two at-bats in the 1996 World Series, his World Series batting average was 7-for-33 (.212) with 9 strikeouts, 7 singles, and 3 RBIs. He hit .288 in the division series (that's okay) and .250 (below his season average) in the NLCS.

The guy played in 76 post-season games:
- 65 for 238 (.273)
- 8 doubles
- 10 homers
- 34 RBIs
- 50 strikeouts (FIFTY in 238 at bats)
- 5 steals in 10 attempts
- 34 walks (2 intentional)

His September batting average was .252 (below his career) and his October one (18 games) was .236.
His April through June splits show a career batting average of .262 while his July through September (e.g. pennant race/division title race) numbers show a career batting average of .248. He hit 209 homers in the first half of the season and 225 in the second. (Bear in mind my excluding March and October HELPS Andruw's numbers - he hit .167 in March and .236 in October reg season games with 0 homers).

There is literally no evidence supporting the idea ANDRUW Jones was some kind of clutch hitter. Other than home runs, he didn't hit much at all.

CHIPPER on the other hand:
March through June: .296, 214 HRs
July through October (reg season only): .310, 254 HRs
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
BIG LOL!!!

There is a 0% chance Andruw goes into the HOF as anything other than an Atlanta Brave.
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Those idiots.

That's like Eddie Mathews going in as a Detroit Tiger because in his last year in the big leagues, he was on that team and they won the World Series. You see, he started a game at third that year so obviously he won as many championships as a Tiger as a Brave so therefore - yeah, idiocy.

Or Hank Aaron going in as a Milwaukee Brewer.


Maybe Babe Ruth should be in the Hall as a BRAVE.
Or Dave Winfield as a Minnesota Twin - after all, he was FROM Minnesota, played more games as a Twin than Andruw as a Yankee, and oh yeah got his 3,000th hit as a TWIN!!! Won a World Series as a BLUE JAY!


Yeah - dumb.
 
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