Question: What are your thoughts on the law "stand your ground" aka "self defense"?

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My wife and I watch A LOT of real crime shows and we've recently watched several where self defense aka "stand your ground" came into play. Ive got to say, I'm not sure how many in our society actually believe in self defense. Ive watched about ten men and women be sentenced anywhere from 15 years to life for what I would deem as self defense. I have been utterly shocked at the degree of severity the situation has to get before a lot of juries rule self defense.

From what Ive seen, if you ever get in a situation where you think your life is in danger, you better be physically on the brink of death because acting anytime before that point youre probably going to jail or prison.
 
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Kyle Rittenhouse would beg to differ.

All depends on how the law in that state is written. Some states have a very narrow definition, others--like Florida--have a ridiculously broad definition.

It'd be interesting to compare the relevant laws in these cases, along with the demographics of the defendants.
 
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My wife and I watch A LOT of real crime shows and we've recently watched several where self defense aka "stand your ground" came into play. Ive got to say, I'm not sure how many in our society actually believe in self defense. Ive watched about ten men and women be sentenced anywhere from 15 years to life for what I would deem as self defense. I have been utterly shocked at the degree of severity the situation has to get before a lot of juries rule self defense.

From what Ive seen, if you ever get in a situation where you think your life is in danger, you better be physically on the brink of death because acting anytime before that point youre probably going to jail or prison.

My Dad had started getting more and more dementia symptoms as he aged, and he was about in his early 90s and still living alone, and with a loaded .38 with hollow-points next to his bed.

I remember being creeped out once when I flew down to visit. I told him to leave the garage light on, and I would be there soon. I arrived there late in the evening, and the garage was dark. The house was all dark, and I guess he had gone to bed. I tried to call him and he didn't answer.

I found my key, and opened the door, all the while calling out, 'Hey, it's me, DAD!!!!" I could just see him shooting at some perceived burglar in the dark.
 
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Yes, my fault for not disclosing, but all the cases/states we've watched had a "self defense" aka SYG law that were very similar. What has shocked me is people were sentenced to very long prison terms when they were trying to get away from the situation but the other person continued to chase them and or beat the crap out of them.
Some jurors were interviewed after the cases and the common explanation was that though the person (the defendant) was still being attacked, they weren't to the point of losing their life. I didnt think a person had to literally be to the point of dying before using deadly force. Thats not my (personal) threshold of using deadly force. The main point I came away with was, I NEVER want a jury of "common citizens" to determine my fate in a self defense case. LOL!
 
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Stand your ground law in new york state is basically after they kill your family, rape and pillage the cattle, chase you into the furthest room in your house and possibly even your neighbors house, then you can threaten to throw something at them because you are not allowed to have a gun. I jest but not by much
 
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Florida's SYG law is pretty much what any sane person would want wrt self defense:

Prosecutorial Immunity: 2005-2016​

Upon passage in 2005, ‘Stand Your Ground’ offered a remedy of complete immunity for defendants whose use of force met the statutory criteria. As stated in § 776.032, a person who used force as permitted by the statute was “immune from criminal prosecution and civil action” for the use of such force (with certain limited exceptions).

The term “immune” meant that, if the accused could factually establish pre-trial that his or her use of deadly force occurred under the circumstances outlined in § 776.012 or § 776.013, the State of Florida would be legally and procedurally barred from further prosecution in the matter.

The procedures for asserting prosecutorial immunity under the initial “Stand Your Ground” provisions were outlined in Peterson v. State, 983 So. 2d 27, 29 (Fla. 1st DCA 2008), a Florida First District Court of Appeal decision. Peterson definitively established that Section 776.032 was created by the Florida Legislature to create a “true immunity,” and not merely an affirmative defense.

Peterson held that a defendant may raise the question of statutory immunity at a pre-trial hearing and, when such a claim was raised, the burden of proof would fall on the defendant to show by a preponderance of the evidence that immunity could attach (i.e. that the statutory prerequisites have been met). In Dennis v. State, 51 So. 3d 456, 460 (Fla. 2010), the Florida Supreme Court adopted the decision in Petersen, and the pretrial hearing burden remained with the defendant.

Procedurally, the issue of immunity was raised pre-trial through the filing of a Motion for Declaration of Immunity and/or Dismissal. These motions could be filed individually or consolidated into a single filing. Once filed, the trial court would set an evidentiary hearing, whereupon the defendant would attempt to prove his or her eligibility for immunity by a preponderance of the evidence. If the court granted the motion, a dismissal would ensue. If denied, the prosecution resumed and the case resolved by way of plea or trial.

From a procedural standpoint, the Petersen/Dennis decisions were problematic because they essentially reversed the burden of proof traditionally at play in a criminal case. Unlike a trial, where the burden of proving a case rests with the State, ‘Stand Your Ground’ was interpreted to place the burden on the defendant.

Prosecutorial Immunity: Current Law​

In 2017, the Florida legislature amended the ‘Stand Your Ground’ statute to significantly alter the burdens and standards of proof applicable in immunity proceedings.

Instead of placing the entire burden on the defendant, the law now requires a defendant to establish only a prima facie case of self-defense immunity. At that point, the burden shifts to the prosecution to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that the defendant does not qualify for immunity.

§ 776.032(4) provides as follows:

In a criminal prosecution, once a prima facie claim of self-defense immunity from criminal prosecution has been raised by the defendant at a pretrial immunity hearing, the burden of proof by clear and convincing evidence is on the party seeking to overcome the immunity from criminal prosecution provided in subsection (1).

Not only does this provision shift the burden of proof to the prosecution, it also raises the standard of proof from “preponderance of the evidence” to “clear and convincing evidence.”
 
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