Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) (part II)

[92tide]

winning the hearts and minds

ICE arrested me without cause. What I saw will haunt me forever. | Opinion

One ICE agent, apparently referring to Renee Good, said, 'You guys gotta stop obstructing us — that's why that lesbian b---- is dead.'

www.usatoday.com

One agent took a photo of me and showed it to the others, laughing. Another called me ugly. His colleague, apparently referring to Renee Good, said, “You guys gotta stop obstructing us – that’s why that lesbian b---- is dead.” In the presence of these masked men with weapons strapped to their bodies – men who claim to be safeguarding our cities – I felt only terrorized and vulnerable.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

winning the hearts and minds

ICE arrested me without cause. What I saw will haunt me forever. | Opinion

One ICE agent, apparently referring to Renee Good, said, 'You guys gotta stop obstructing us — that's why that lesbian b---- is dead.'

www.usatoday.com

One agent took a photo of me and showed it to the others, laughing. Another called me ugly. His colleague, apparently referring to Renee Good, said, “You guys gotta stop obstructing us – that’s why that lesbian b---- is dead.” In the presence of these masked men with weapons strapped to their bodies – men who claim to be safeguarding our cities – I felt only terrorized and vulnerable.

Everything in that account will be challenged, and excused and dismissed.

If there is no video proof how can it be believed.

Even IF there were video proof it would ‘probably’ have been wrong. Still can’t be sure though because it needs to be self investigated first.

Besides if that Lesbian B word didn’t want to be killed she shouldn’t have been a Lesbian or a B word.

ICE is teeming with Proud Boys in Masks.

If they can’t assault a Person of Color then somebody that fits in with a liberal stereotype will do.

I mean they totally aren’t Gestapo though.

 

[92tide]

Everything is that account will be challenged, and excused and dismissed.

If there is no video proof how can it be believed.

Even IF there were video proof it would ‘probably’ have been wrong. Still can’t be sure though because it needs to be self investigated first.

Besides if that Lesbian B word didn’t want to be killed she shouldn’t have been a Lesbian or a B word.

ICE is teeming with Proud Boys in Masks.

If they can’t assault a Person of Color then somebody that fits in with a liberal stereotype will do.

I mean they totally aren’t Gestapo though.

the pwning of the whining feminazi will be celebrated

 

[92tide]

Judge stops deportation of 5-year-old boy and father whose arrest angered the nation

Preschooler Liam Conejo Ramos was taken into federal custody from family’s driveway

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Its On A Slab]

doughy pantload wrote this in his early years. he is considered a "moderate/reasonable" conservative

Somehow I got on Jonah's email SPAM list. From what I can see, it looks like even he is starting to turn. Hell, Bill Kristol is sounding like a California Democrat these days. Mona Charen, too.

 

[Bamaro]

They’re illegally interfering with law enforcement actions to arrest violent criminals. Why is there any controversy here?

NO, this is simply political theatre. They want to look tough and unfortunately way too many of ICE/BP extremely unqualified and that is why innocent civilians are being killed and physically abused.

 

[92tide]

NO, this is simply political theatre. They want to look tough and unfortunately way too many of ICE/BP extremely unqualified and that is why innocent civilians are being killed and physically abused.

tacticool dress up is all the rage these days. it makes you look manly

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Rittenhouse is celebrated by the right for bringing a gun to a protest and murdering 2 people.

Pretti is condemned by the right for bringing a gun to a protest and getting murdered by ICE while that gun was holstered.

Our gun rights are protected; yours are not. MAGA nonsense in a nutshell.

 

[Bazza]

Rittenhouse is celebrated by the right for bringing a gun to a protest and murdering 2 people.

Pretti is condemned by the right for bringing a gun to a protest and getting murdered by ICE while that gun was holstered.

Our gun rights are protected; yours are not. MAGA nonsense in a nutshell.

Rittenhouse didn’t obstruct an operation or fight with agents.

He was attacked by literal convicted pedos.

That’s why these two situations aren’t even remotely comparable.

This isn’t rocket science.

 

[Bazza]

This is what it looks like when the local police do their job.......

The Maple Grove Police Department made 26 arrests Monday night at an anti-ICE protest at a hotel where it's believed immigration agents are staying during Operation Metro Surge.

 

[editder]

In today's episode of "Back Away from the Ledge Before You Do Something Irrevocable," a nurse at VCU went on TikTok and advocated everyday people injecting a temporary paralysis drug into ICE agents and poisoning them. She also encouraged women to date these guys and "drug" their food.

In a water is wet outcome, she's been placed on leave, and the police have been notified.

VCU Health Nurse Placed on Leave, Facing Investigation After Urging the Poisoning of ICE Agents

Nurse faces investigation after urging violence against ICE agents in controversial videos.

townhall.com

Yeah, these are some of the nastiest people on earth. That’s why I don’t buy the argument that they’re just “intelligent, caring Americans who value civil rights and human dignity.”

It’s all ideologically driven with malleable principles:

Insurrection is good — except the capitol insurrection

The police are bad and should be defunded — except the capitol police

Police shootings are tragic — unless it’s Ashli Babbitt

It’s okay to track down and imprison people who trespassed in the capitol — but you can’t arrest people for trespassing in our country, even the violent criminals

For the record, I’m on the side of the capitol police (except for the Babbitt shooting, which was unjustified)

What’s happening in Minneapolis and a few other places to a lesser extent is because the people there are ideologically opposed to the deportation of these illegal aliens. How else do you explain why they don’t even want violent criminals deported? How else do you explain why their officials won’t turn them over to the federal authorities?

You’ll never convince me that they oppose the removal of illegal aliens on principle. I can’t help suspecting that if these illegals were likely to vote 3 to 1 Republican they would have cooperated fully in their removal.

 

[bamaga]

This is what it looks like when the local police do their job.......

The Maple Grove Police Department made 26 arrests Monday night at an anti-ICE protest at a hotel where it's believed immigration agents are staying during Operation Metro Surge.

Wow, local law enforcement wearing masks and tactical uniforms.

 

[75thru79]

You’ll never convince me that they oppose the removal of illegal aliens on principle. I can’t help suspecting that if these illegals were likely to vote 3 to 1 Republican they would have cooperated fully in their removal.

Apparently, the PTB of the Democratic party figured this out during the Biden administration. How else to explain why Obama's deportation count was exponentially higher than what Trump has done and why Biden let the border be overrun.

 

[editder]

NO, this is simply political theatre. They want to look tough and unfortunately way too many of ICE/BP extremely unqualified and that is why innocent civilians are being killed and physically abused.

How is it political theatre? Nobody would even know they were there if they were just left alone to do their job and if the local authorities would cooperate.

 

[spidermayin]

Yeah, these are some of the nastiest people on earth. That’s why I don’t buy the argument that they’re just “intelligent, caring Americans who value civil rights and human dignity.”

It’s all ideologically driven with malleable principles:

Insurrection is good — except the capitol insurrection

The police are bad and should be defunded — except the capitol police

Police shootings are tragic — unless it’s Ashli Babbitt

It’s okay to track down and imprison people who trespassed in the capitol — but you can’t arrest people for trespassing in our country, even the violent criminals

For the record, I’m on the side of the capitol police (except for the Babbitt shooting, which was unjustified)

What’s happening in Minneapolis and a few other places to a lesser extent is because the people there are ideologically opposed to the deportation of these illegal aliens. How else do you explain why they don’t even want violent criminals deported? How else do you explain why their officials won’t turn them over to the federal authorities?

You’ll never convince me that they oppose the removal of illegal aliens on principle. I can’t help suspecting that if these illegals were likely to vote 3 to 1 Republican they would have cooperated fully in their removal.

Here's the deal with Ashli Babbitt. From my understanding, she had a violent mob behind her. If they let her through that window and subdued her, then that leaves them open for the rest of the mob to come in behind and overwhelm them putting everyone in danger. So, it was a difficult choice, but shooting her sends a message to the mob behind her.

When were people saying insurrection was good?

I think people are more outraged by the fact you have federal agents coming into town and randomly asking people pumping gas to present their proof of being a US citizen versus this being some sort of professional targeted operation that's just getting the criminals.

If Minnesota voted for Trump, this wouldn't be happening. It's a petty operation by this Administration.

 

[Tidewater]

There are tasks that citizens aren't willing to perform under the conditions the jobs entail and for the wages they will pay. Short of drafting people and forcing them to do them, it won't happen.

This is a bit of a canard. Illegals do the work Americans will not do at those wages, but wages did not come down from heaven. They are based on the supply and demand for labor. Decrease the supply, and if demand stays the same, prices of labor (i.e. wages) will rise until either (a) employers find Americans willing to do the labor or (b) employers will simply do without the task.
If someone were to snap their fingers and every single illegal immigrant were instantly transported to his home country, would Americans just stop landscaping and construction? No, those activities would continue, but employers would have to pay the workers more than they do today, which is the point, I suppose.
But no one will snap his fingers and instantly transport every illegal immigrant home. It will happen gradually, over time. As each individual illegal immigrant self-deports or is deported, a new equilibrium in the supply and demand of labor (and thus a new prevailing wage rate) is created. The more are deported, the higher wages will climb until each additional workers cannot generate as much utility for the employer than his wages cost. (In other words, no matter how restricted the labor supply is, a janitor is never going to earn $250,000 a year. Employers will just do without janitors if it comes to that.)

When we are holding people, we have obligation of law and fundamental decency in how we treat them. By all accounts, we aren't and haven't been. This costs money. Or we accept that we're willing to run a system reminiscent of the Gulag Archipelago.

That language is a little over the top, don't you think? The Gulag was a torturous center where Bolsheviks sent class enemies, in appalling conditions, to work them to death. The Bolsheviks did not care if inmates died. Around 2.5 million inmates did die in the Gulag.
Comparing detention centers where illegal immigrants await flights home to the Gulag lacks perspective and is a bit disrespectful of the victims of the real Gulag.

 

[Bamaro]

How is it political theatre? Nobody would even know they were there if they were just left alone to do their job and if the local authorities would cooperate.

They were sent there specifically to be seen looking and acting the way they do.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

They were sent there specifically to be seen looking and acting the way they do.

If you're talking about the protestors, then yeah, I agree.

 

[Bamaro]

If you're talking about the protestors, then yeah, I agree.

Well, most of the protestors went there on their own. Cartainly cant say that for ICE/BP

 

[CrimsonJazz]

In the midst of ICE horror, the Senate needs to prohibit Trump from using ICE as a voter suppression tool. Senate Dems need to put into the approps bill a prohibition on ICE agents being near polling places. This is a must have. Last chance to do this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016308583408009321

Jesus Christ, talk about saying the silent part out loud! Besides, no bill is needed; posting troops at polling places is already prohibited by law unless they are repelling armed enemies of the U.S. I don't see any way around this. And I say this as someone who would love to see actual, demonstrable enforcement of common-sense voting requirements.