Savannah Guthrie's mother's abduction, Arizona

I don't want to present myself as any sort of sleuth, I'm not. Seriously, I don't read fiction, and I'm not one of those people who gets all excited about so-called "mysteries" or "true crime detective" stuff.

However, you work in a laboratory for 30 years and you pick things up. You can pick up when domestic violence is occurring and (boy is this controversial) when a domestic violence report is "fake" as well. And we all deal in probabilities, but there's also a level of common sense.

For example - set aside even some of the most obvious evidence in the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson (you know.....her blood in his Bronco, his blood at the scene, OBVIOUS stuff). The knife murder with its sheer brutality suggests an extreme form of personal hatred. If Dershowitz's red herring about Colombian drug dealers had had any level of veracity, either she would have been popped quickly and left out in the open sun to be found as an example OR - assuming the neck gutting theory - that wouldn't have been done there at her house, although she might have been found there. Her murder was someone full of rage that made it personal. Same with Brian Laundrie killing Gabby Petito.

Or the infamous Buford Pusser ambush. Now ask yourself an obvious question: does a rolling ambush with three hit men in the dark hours of the morning on a road he was least likely to travel to investigate the alleged trouble - and then they came back and fired more rounds BUT STILL DIDN'T KILL HIM......does this even sound remotely believable? But Hollywood can sell anything.


I think you're right and this has sounded to me sorta similar to the case (but with a different reason) of Pierre Laporte, a Canadian politician kidnapped by a group of leftist terrorists (FLQ) to be held to force the release of some prisoners. They had NO INTENT to kill him (see October Crisis 1970). But he tried to escape, injured himself, and they chose to finish him off rather than take him to the doctor. They had kidnapped another guy a few days earlier, and he wound up getting released.

Dead bodies are not any good for ransom, and you have to assume they wanted something.


But their failure to prove her being alive at the early stage told me the mother was probably already dead.
I've agreed for some time. They're trying to extract money for a corpse. I'm afraid the release of these images would have been withheld, if there were any possibility of her being ransomed and alive. Folk have been forgetting her state of health...
 
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Have to SADLY agree that it's likely Mom is no longer alive. Otherwise the ransom thing would still be going on. I don't know whether the real kidnappers were the ones who sent those letters but at some point that whole thing fell apart and here we are with videos and images being released to the public asking for help.

A "last resort" that I think will provide a decent chance of catching the scumbags who did this.

And I still think $50K is too small of a reward - up it to a million if you are serious about catching the crooks.
 
I've begun to think that it may have begun as a kidnapping and ended up being an incidental murder. Aside from leaving medications behind, along with the phone control for her pacemaker, there is that diffuse blood spatter on the stoop, indicating he hit her and hard, probably with the gun. The notes are probably a third party trying to intervene in the process for easy money...
 
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After reviewing that video I believe we may have the first of celebrity kidnappings. The guy looked like he could be from South America and we’ve had the rash of burglaries from South American gangs that fly here in order to steal from athletes. I think they may have graduated to kidnappings seeing how kidnappings are an epidemic in the developing world.
 
Harvey Levin just now (on CNN) saying there is activity in the Bitcoin account referenced in the first letter for the first time since this began.

He's resisting saying anything more, despite the continual probing from Erin Burnett.....
 
After reviewing that video I believe we may have the first of celebrity kidnappings. The guy looked like he could be from South America and we’ve had the rash of burglaries from South American gangs that fly here in order to steal from athletes. I think they may have graduated to kidnappings seeing how kidnappings are an epidemic in the developing world.
One of the first celebrity kidnapping was Lindbergh's baby. That didn't end well.
 

Person detained for questioning in connection with Nancy Guthrie abduction: Official​

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department, with assistance from the FBI, has detained an individual for questioning in connection with the abduction of Nancy Guthrie, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told ABC News.

The individual was detained in a location south of Tucson, the source said, and law enforcement is preparing to search a location associated with the individual.
 
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Person detained for questioning in connection with Nancy Guthrie abduction: Official​

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department, with assistance from the FBI, has detained an individual for questioning in connection with the abduction of Nancy Guthrie, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told ABC News.

The individual was detained in a location south of Tucson, the source said, and law enforcement is preparing to search a location associated with the individual.
He's been released as probably all of us know by now...I really hate this for any family, famous or not.
 
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If the kidnapper wanted ransom, he would provide proof she's still alive. That has not happened. They're not even sure the kidnapper has asked for ransom. There's been fakers. I find it hard to believe she's still alive.
 
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I still believe that the "kidnappers" are from a Latin American country and came here specifically to kidnap her. She's likely dead and they've long since crossed the border back into Mexico and who knows from there.
 
They've finally increased the reward money to $100K.

Still not high enough.

A description of the suspect has also be released by the FBI and a video of a person with 2 backpacks in the vicinity the night of the abduction has been found.
 
I watched some of Banfield tonight for the first time. They were sort of hinting at the SIL. One chilling thing I noticed, since they kept showing the blood stains, was that, right outside the door there was splatter as from a forceful blow. Who in their right mind would kidnap an 84 year old in bad health who couldn't walk more than 50 yards? They always say look at the in-laws before the outlaws...

I have no real knowledge of this case other than a cursory look, but given the age of the woman, I would also suspect a family member. Maybe one that is not happy with the way estate assets were divvied out. Who else would want ot take out a woman of that age and ill health?
 
I am very sorry that abduction happens to anyone, young, middle aged or elderly. I agree with others on her in that I do not believe she is alive now. Hopefully, law enforcement finds her alive.

The reason this is on the national news and not local is because of her daughter, S. Guthrie. Thinking back in time, this kind of reminds me of the Patty Hearst "kidnapping" and J. Paul Getty's grandson being abducted back around 1973/1974. Of course back then we only had three TV stations to watch ABC, CBS and NBC if we were lucky. Usually, one of the three was very difficult to get. Please forgive me if this seems insensitive but it is how I feel.
 
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The latest reporting has been highlighting that the local sheriff sent evidence (a glove or gloves) found inside the house to a lab (in Florida) he preferred to use - rather than turn it over to the FBI for them to send it to their forensics lab in Quantico, Virginia.

The argument being the FBI would have results faster and also access to the national database for DNA.

I'm not expert, but this whole investigation seems to have been full of errors.
 

SWAT op in Nancy Guthrie case turns deadly—3 people detained, 1 man reportedly died by self-inflicted gunshot during the raid.

Pima County PD confirms connection; roads sealed off near East Placita De Graciela, just 2 miles from Nancy's residence. Currently blocking off with tarp, something they found in the back of a Range Rover..!
 
Thanks for the updates, Huck.

Will have to wait for official report but sounds like a real breakthrough in the case.

Will be interesting to see how it all went down......
 
There has been a lot of updates on FOX this morning and News Nation. When they were talking about the SWAT team staging last night is was the real deal.
 
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