Epstein Files -- Be Careful What You Demand

[M Squires]

Second, how was Epstein able to turn all these power brokers into sychophants? It can't be all about the sex. These folks could get sex any time they wanted it, in any permutation of age, gender and number of partners they wanted, and have it, be a lot more discreet. Plus, some of the stuff coming out involves women -- like the top lawyer at Goldman.

On this point, people with addictions that they want to keep private are looking for proven successful purveyors. For very rich and powerful people that want sex with young-ish or very young and 'kept invisible' girls?

Epstein filled that role by setting it up perfectly:

• Huge names like Clinton, Trump, Woody Allen, Bill Gates, and very famous CEOs as references to the ability to remain confidential,
• A private island or a Palm Beach estate to visit for secrecy and luxury
• Disposable women from Eastern Europe and Royal Palm Beach, Florida, High School (if you know that area, that's a lower-middle class meh suburb 15 miles inland from Palm Beach).

Perfect; and so much better than needing to be in a high profile location with the girls. Clinton and Trump learned from Monica and Eliot Spitzer's missteps (another Trump/Epstein buddy).

 

[selmaborntidefan]

You know something I've noticed? Pollsters aren't including the Epstein files in their "issues" polling (that I've seen.) The usual stuff is there: economy, crime, immigration, etc. But no mention of the Epstein files at all. This is one of the most talked-about issues going. I don't get it.

Nobody is going to vote on the Epstein Files.

And when I say "nobody", I don't "literally" mean nobody but not enough votes to matter.

Voting is like sex (or money) - everybody lies about it.

No matter what any pollster tells you what, there are not enough voters voting on:
- abortion
- guns (pro OR con)
- gay marriage (pro OR con)
- the VP nominee
- trans kids (whatever since there are several components)
- the national debt
- the federal budget deficit
- the race of the candidate
- the sex of the candidate
- the sexual habits of the candidate
- defense spending
- foreign aid
- socialism
- fascism
- preserving democracy
- who got pardoned
- January 6th

They are voting on:
- am I going to be homeless or emaciated from a lack of food next week/month/year
- am I going to be able to go out safely and not get attacked or killed by either domestic crime or a foreign terrorist attack

That's pretty much it.

Sorry, but there are NOT even thousands much less millions of voters who said, "I agree with everything the Democrats stand for and on all the issues but Kamala Harris is a black woman so I have to vote for Trump." Fill in "Kamala Harris is a black woman" with any other issue besides the two above and it's still not enough.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Nobody is going to vote on the Epstein Files.

And when I say "nobody", I don't "literally" mean nobody but not enough votes to matter.

Voting is like sex (or money) - everybody lies about it.

No matter what any pollster tells you what, there are not enough voters voting on:
- abortion
- guns (pro OR con)
- gay marriage (pro OR con)
- the VP nominee
- trans kids (whatever since there are several components)
- the national debt
- the federal budget deficit
- the race of the candidate
- the sex of the candidate
- the sexual habits of the candidate
- defense spending
- foreign aid
- socialism
- fascism
- preserving democracy
- who got pardoned
- January 6th

They are voting on:
- am I going to be homeless or emaciated from a lack of food next week/month/year
- am I going to be able to go out safely and not get attacked or killed by either domestic crime or a foreign terrorist attack

That's pretty much it.

Sorry, but there are NOT even thousands much less millions of voters who said, "I agree with everything the Democrats stand for and on all the issues but Kamala Harris is a black woman so I have to vote for Trump." Fill in "Kamala Harris is a black woman" with any other issue besides the two above and it's still not enough.

I agree with every word of this post and I absolutely DO understand your point. However, this isn't just about how the people vote. To 4Q's point, there is something odd about how this issue is being covered by the mainstream press. One would think they could find the time to do enough polling to add to the narrative one way or another. This is especially true when you consider that what passes for "news" nowadays involves 4-6 people sitting around a table trying to talk over one another.

Who are the biggest villains around right now? Well, according to many, it's the billionaires who are hoarding all the money and using their mind-control devices to trick the poor and lower middle-class into buying $1000 phones and $6 coffees rather than saving up and trying to buy a house one day. The Epstein files presents the perfect opportunity to ramp up that eat-the-rich sentiment to a fever pitch. If that doesn't increase viewership among this demographic, I don't know what else will. The opportunity is just sitting there waiting to be used.

 

[M Squires]

Nobody is going to vote on the Epstein Files.

And when I say "nobody", I don't "literally" mean nobody but not enough votes to matter.

Voting is like sex (or money) - everybody lies about it.

No matter what any pollster tells you what, there are not enough voters voting on:
- abortion
- guns (pro OR con)
- gay marriage (pro OR con)
- the VP nominee
- trans kids (whatever since there are several components)
- the national debt
- the federal budget deficit
- the race of the candidate
- the sex of the candidate
- the sexual habits of the candidate
- defense spending
- foreign aid
- socialism
- fascism
- preserving democracy
- who got pardoned
- January 6th

They are voting on:
- am I going to be homeless or emaciated from a lack of food next week/month/year
- am I going to be able to go out safely and not get attacked or killed by either domestic crime or a foreign terrorist attack

That's pretty much it.

Sorry, but there are NOT even thousands much less millions of voters who said, "I agree with everything the Democrats stand for and on all the issues but Kamala Harris is a black woman so I have to vote for Trump." Fill in "Kamala Harris is a black woman" with any other issue besides the two above and it's still not enough.

It's a valid point, but the margins of voters matter.

So yes, the primary motivation to vote for or against a candidate are breadbasket issues.

HOWEVER, there are also a ton of voters that vote primarliy on who they like or relate to better.

There are also a bunch of voters that would be pre-disposed toward a particular political bent, but are much less likely to show up to vote if they think their natural political compadres have let them down on a personal level through douchebaggery.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

It's a valid point, but the margins of voters matter.

So yes, the primary motivation to vote for or against a candidate are breadbasket issues.

HOWEVER, there are also a ton of voters that vote primarliy on who they like or relate to better.

There are also a bunch of voters that would be pre-disposed toward a particular political bent, but are much less likely to show up to vote if they think their natural political compadres have let them down on a personal level through douchebaggery.

I don't deny this.

Look at the polling numbers for Pete Buttigieg among black people as an example.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I agree with every word of this post and I absolutely DO understand your point. However, this isn't just about how the people vote. To 4Q's point, there is something odd about how this issue is being covered by the mainstream press. One would think they could find the time to do enough polling to add to the narrative one way or another. This is especially true when you consider that what passes for "news" nowadays involves 4-6 people sitting around a table trying to talk over one another.

Another possibility: anything involving something that may slander/malign someone famous carries a "handle with care" notification. And especially where it concerns "sex with a child." I mean, there are several reasons but I actually "get" what you're saying here.

I'm not trying to minimize the criminality here, but let's be honest and say that the Epstein Files don't REALLY personally affect very many people in the first place. Not that we're not bothered by it, not that it doesn't bother us, but even the reporting on it is very shaky at best. "X name is in the files" is about 90% of what we've gotten. And I'm sure a lot of people look at it like FBI files - "yeah, so and so's name might be in there but what can actually be proven to have occurred?"

By contrast, ICE shooting Renee Good and Alex Pretti - whatever one's thoughts on ICE or how they acted/reacted/whatever - that's a disturbing visual for the average citizen.

Who are the biggest villains around right now? Well, according to many, it's the billionaires who are hoarding all the money and using their mind-control devices to trick the poor and lower middle-class into buying $1000 phones and $6 coffees rather than saving up and trying to buy a house one day.

I love how the badness of a billionaire in liberal-speak depends entirely to whom he donates his political checks. I was asked over 30 years ago why I could never be a Democrat (I'd said as much) and said right out, "Because they rant and rave about 'the rich' and their campaigns are financed by the very people they're bashing, which tells me even the billionaire knows they're full of crap." Granted, I was "more Republican" in those days, but I wouldn't attend that party, either. Dubya's questionable invasion of Iraq combined with his insane deficit spending was enough to send me back to voting Indy. Besides, I didn't so much like Dubya as loathe Clinton and his pathetic "legacy" in the person of Gore. I noticed the whole "the rich should pay their fair share" way back in 1988 but these people could never tell me how WHAT SPECIFICALLY was "a fair share" or how they arrived at that number, it just seemed nothing more than "I will play upon the envy of the have nots towards the haves and hope to get elected whereupon I will screw the have nots and blame it on the haves."

Bernie Sanders is nothing more than a leftist Trump, not that Bernie is a racist (no evidence of that) but that he's a drunken uncle with solutions incompatible with political reality who says whatever stupid idea comes to his mind and then repeats it over and over as if repetition makes it true.

The Epstein files presents the perfect opportunity to ramp up that eat-the-rich sentiment to a fever pitch. If that doesn't increase viewership among this demographic, I don't know what else will. The opportunity is just sitting there waiting to be used.

Trying to fight a rich person in court is close to impossible, though. Especially a celebrity. Ross Perot made sure the two campaign managers he fired knew up front, "I have 160 lawyers working around the clock. Anyone who wants to sue me is going to have to earn his money."

If a temperamental tycoon like Perot can know that, so does every other rich guy from Mark Cuban to Bill Gates.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

The more that's come out, the more two things puzzle me.

First, why hasn't the press hasn't made a bigger deal of all this?

Yes, it's gotten coverage. But not the breathless 24 / 7 / 365 type I would have expected. The Epstein stuff has actually gotten more pointed coverage in Europe (UK especially) than here.

I suspect that it's because the names aren't as splashy as we thought they might be. Yes, you have the Clintons. And likely Trump. No surprise there. But most of them are rich and powerful, but keep a low public profile. Unless you work on Wall Street or in the business side of the entertainment industry, or in the international halls of academia, you probably don't recognize the names.

Second, how was Epstein able to turn all these power brokers into sychophants? It can't be all about the sex. These folks could get sex any time they wanted it, in any permutation of age, gender and number of partners they wanted, and have it, be a lot more discreet. Plus, some of the stuff coming out involves women -- like the top lawyer at Goldman.

I always suspected that Epstein intentionally and carefully cultivated relationships across political lines. So that no matter which party was in power, its PTBs had an incentive to keep their connections on the deep down low. That's how he was able to get away with it for so long and why the earlier conviction (1) carried such a lenient penalty, and (2) didn't really affect his operation for a long time.

So how did he do that? Why and how did all these Masters of the Universe (reference to Bonfire of the Vanities) guys come under his thrall in the first place?

I don't know the answer but am deadly curious.

I don’t know the answers to your questions but the press isn’t what it use to be.

Does real investigative journalism even exist anymore?

There has been just a massive info dump of millions of files that are being combed over by just your everyday guy and gal right now and it’s up to them to send what info of note they find to a Representative like Massie to try and get something done.

But those everyday people are trying and it’s kind of an uphill battle because there is obviously massive corruption and coverups going on at the top and lots of obfuscation and gaslighting.

Another problem is that most of the perpetrators are still redacted in the latest releases and people are trying to reverse engineer email chains to figure out who Epstein is corresponding with.

One person has created a major database of all the pdf dumps and is trying to make it searchable with OCR and orderly and people are stress testing it for errors.

But enough clues are coming together to give weight to victims claims and names of the accused.

Maria Farmer has trauma paintings of perpetrators in the files and one particular depicts Ex-Baclays Chief Jes Staley in a room with an underaged girl in a bed dressed as Snow White.

An email exchange has been found between the two where Epstein says “Say hello to Snow White for me” and Staley replies that “Snow white was ‘you-know-what’ed’ twice as soon as she was put in the costume”

There is also a photo of an underage girl in the costume in front a staircase on one of Epstein’s properties.

Other perps that Maria Farmer has painted are:

Simone Lelchuk
Louis Freeh
Bill Barr
Epstein
Donald J Trump
Meghan McCain
Brad Edwards
Maxwell
Weinstein
Elizabeth Holmes
Jaime Dimon
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton

There are so many other incriminating email exchanges but again the perps are redacted to most of us.

But there is stuff like

From: Redacted
To: Epstein

Age 10

Jpeg attached

Who is the redacted sender and why the hell are they protected?

Other ones talk about enjoying torture videos and I believe that has possibly been traced to a Sultan and Massie is looking into it.

But people are trying to crack this and right now it seems like Massie and Ro Khanna are the only two men trying to help find Justice.

But I agree with… where is the rest of the help? Why aren’t governmental agencies all over this ? Why aren’t people in damn handcuffs? Why isn’t the Press all over this like a rabid dog??

Bondi let a big truth out by accident when she said the arrests would topple the whole system.

GOOD

Let’s Topple it.

We have become a modern day Caligula like society and these people need to be brought to justice.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022303986976493912

Massie:
DOJ redacted information necessary to identify who sent Epstein the “torture video email.”
Rep. Ro Khanna and I first discovered his name and released it Monday.

Today he resigns.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022303986976493912

Massie:
DOJ redacted information necessary to identify who sent Epstein the “torture video email.”
Rep. Ro Khanna and I first discovered his name and released it Monday.

Today he resigns.

View attachment 55627

And there it is…

Thank the maker for Massie and Khanna for at least legitimately trying to make a difference.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

And there it is…

Thank the maker for Massie and Khanna for at least legitimately trying to make a difference.

Indeed and the incredible thing is: if Massie ran for president, he would have absolutely no shot whatsoever. I don't know enough about Khanna to judge his chances.

 

[M Squires]

Indeed and the incredible thing is: if Massie ran for president, he would have absolutely no shot whatsoever. I don't know enough about Khanna to judge his chances.

Khanna is really, really smart. So is Massie. And they are apparently high-integrity guys. And like you said, they have zero chance at the Presidency; Massie could never win a primary, and Khanna is a crappy orator.

But smart and not raised with a silver spoon?

Massie's bio:
Massie was born in Huntington, West Virginia.[7] He was raised in an Appalachian American culture in Vanceburg, Kentucky.[7] His father was a beer distributor.[7] He met his first wife, Rhonda, at Lewis County High School in Vanceburg.[7][8]

Massie earned a BSc in electrical engineering in 1993 and a MSc in mechanical engineering in 1996 from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).[9][10] His master's thesis was titled "Initial haptic explorations with the phantom: virtual touch through point interaction."[11]

In 1992, Massie won MIT's then-named 2.70 ("Introduction to Design and Manufacturing", now named 2.007) Design Competition.[15] MIT professor Woodie Flowers, who pioneered the 2.70 contest, mentioned that Massie watched this contest on television in seventh grade and wanted to come to MIT to win it.[16]

Khanna's bio:
Rohit Khanna was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on September 13, 1976, into an Indian family.[5] His parents immigrated to the United States from the Indian state of Punjab in 1968. [6] His father is a chemical engineer who is a graduate of the Indian Institute of Technology and of the University of Michigan, while his mother is a former schoolteacher.[7][8]

Khanna is a graduate of Council Rock High School, a public school in Newtown, in 1994.[12] He then received a Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree with honors in Economics from the University of Chicago in 1998, where he was a member of Phi Beta Kappa.[13][14][15] He received a Juris Doctor (JD) from Yale Law School in 2001.[14]

 

[92tide]

I don’t know the answers to your questions but the press isn’t what it use to be.

Does real investigative journalism even exist anymore?

There has been just a massive info dump of millions of files that are being combed over by just your everyday guy and gal right now and it’s up to them to send what info of note they find to a Representative like Massie to try and get something done.

But those everyday people are trying and it’s kind of an uphill battle because there is obviously massive corruption and coverups going on at the top and lots of obfuscation and gaslighting.

Another problem is that most of the perpetrators are still redacted in the latest releases and people are trying to reverse engineer email chains to figure out who Epstein is corresponding with.

One person has created a major database of all the pdf dumps and is trying to make it searchable with OCR and orderly and people are stress testing it for errors.

But enough clues are coming together to give weight to victims claims and names of the accused.

Maria Farmer has trauma paintings of perpetrators in the files and one particular depicts Ex-Baclays Chief Jes Staley in a room with an underaged girl in a bed dressed as Snow White.

An email exchange has been found between the two where Epstein says “Say hello to Snow White for me” and Staley replies that “Snow white was ‘you-know-what’ed’ twice as soon as she was put in the costume”

There is also a photo of an underage girl in the costume in front a staircase on one of Epstein’s properties.

Other perps that Maria Farmer has painted are:

Simone Lelchuk
Louis Freeh
Bill Barr
Epstein
Donald J Trump
Meghan McCain
Brad Edwards
Maxwell
Weinstein
Elizabeth Holmes
Jaime Dimon
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton

There are so many other incriminating email exchanges but again the perps are redacted to most of us.

But there is stuff like

From: Redacted
To: Epstein

Age 10

Jpeg attached

Who is the redacted sender and why the hell are they protected?

Other ones talk about enjoying torture videos and I believe that has possibly been traced to a Sultan and Massie is looking into it.

But people are trying to crack this and right now it seems like Massie and Ro Khanna are the only two men trying to help find Justice.

But I agree with… where is the rest of the help? Why aren’t governmental agencies all over this ? Why aren’t people in damn handcuffs? Why isn’t the Press all over this like a rabid dog??

Bondi let a big truth out by accident when she said the arrests would topple the whole system.

GOOD

Let’s Topple it.

We have become a modern day Caligula like society and these people need to be brought to justice.

the sultan of swinging has “resigned”

Boss of P&O Ferries owner DP World leaves over Jeffrey Epstein links

Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem’s exit as group chair and CEO follows pressure after publication of emails

www.theguardian.com

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I don’t know the answers to your questions but the press isn’t what it use to be.

Does real investigative journalism even exist anymore?

The real question is whether it ever actually did exist.

I'm not so sure "the press" is nearly as bad as we think it is now because I'm not as persuaded as I would have once been that it was as good as we think it was.

1) The Denver Post was run by a pair of shady crooks (Bonfils and Tammen) who bought the paper and then blackmailed businesses (such as they existed in 1895) to advertise with them or they would destroy the businesses in the pages of the newspaper. What was the result? High readership. The Post was sitting on the Teapot Dome story when Leo Stack went in to whine that Harry Sinclair (the oil gazillionaire paying the bribes in Teapot Dome) had ripped him off (he'd promised him a million in 1922 dollars - and gave him $50K and told him that was all he was getting). They ran the story and sent a copy of it to every Senator, President Harding, and every Cabinet member. Sinclair invited them to DC to present their case - but only because he wanted the joy of throwing them out without paying them. As he did, they gave him a warning: you're an oilman with business interests in the West, and we'll be your best friends or your worst enemies, you choose.

Seriously - how is that any kind of objective press? And those stories are hardly uncommon, they just never told us about them in US history.


ADDENDUM: btw, remember back in 2014 when they established that Nan Britton really did have Harding's child? Well, the press of 1922 KNEW IT THEN, they just covered it up. A picture of the three of them appeared in a Chicago paper that year, but never noted it was his love child.

2) Folks like to chuckle at the "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline for the 1948 election, and the press likes to brag it's the last time they blew the call. Well, except for the fact that in 1976, the Milwaukee Sentinel botched the winner of the Democratic Primary (Carter beat Mo Udall). The entire media got the winner of the 1996 New Hampshire Senate race incorrect for several hours (Bob Smith beat Dick Swett), and they botched it twice on Election Night 2000.




3) We have lived through:
- CNN making up a story about deserters being executed by the Army in Vietnam (Operation Tailwind)
- NBC making up a story where GM sued them for causing explosions that were self-detonated
- Jayson Blair
- Janet Cooke making up a story that cost the WaPo a Pulitzer
- Dan Rather trying to destroy Republican nominees in both 1988 and 2004 with....specious at best charges
- "60 Minutes" retracting multiple stories
- the Saturday Evening Post making up almost from whole cloth a fabrication about Coach Bryant and former Coach Butts fixing the outcome of the 1962 Alabama v Georgia game
- several news outlets insinuating a kid was being a racist towards a Native American, all of them wrong


That's just off the top of my head.


And NOT ONE of those stories above was the supposedly wretched Fox News.


Granted....a few of those and spread out over several years from time to time can be forgiven as things that are going to happen occasionally. Cooke and Blair are out of journalism (deservedly) and Rather was canned as well. And having listened to the cringe of Jesse Watters and, well, every caricature of a newscaster when I'm at my folks and Dad never lets the channel leave Fox (and they wonder why I drink so much when I'm there).........YES, Fox News is a monstrosity of crap.


But they're not nearly as far removed from so-called "mainstream" journalism as folks like to think, either.


As far as investigative reporting, there are always charlatans willing to fill in the blanks with insinuations to win Emmy awards; they all want to be the next Bob Woodward. I'm just not convinced it was as different in the "I wasn't alive" time as we like to believe.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Dad never lets the channel leave Fox (and they wonder why I drink so much when I'm there)

This had me laughing until I was fit to split. The exact same thing happens every time I see my folks, but in addition to the FN awfulness, I get to hear from my mother, "You know, my friend Myra's son sees her every day." Never mind the fact that Myra's son doesn't have a job and is over there daily to beg for free food and "whatever they can spare" because he's out of cigarettes again. I could be up in the international space station and she would still be cross with the fact that I haven't been by lately. So yeah, I'm either already loaded before I get there or will be shortly thereafter.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

This had me laughing until I was fit to split. The exact same thing happens every time I see my folks, but in addition to the FN awfulness, I get to hear from my mother, "You know, my friend Myra's son sees her every day." Never mind the fact that Myra's son doesn't have a job and is over there daily to beg for free food and "whatever they can spare" because he's out of cigarettes again. I could be up in the international space station and she would still be cross with the fact that I haven't been by lately. So yeah, I'm either already loaded before I get there or will be shortly thereafter.

When my sister comes - now bear in mind my sister is still within reasonable distance of her high school weight somehow, and she was and IS a beanpole - she comes in and puts on something she knows everyone will watch on his TV. If there's ANY kind of football on, she puts it there. Or SOMETHING.

When I saw him a few weeks ago, it was when the story was developing with Hegseth and Kelly and my old man - Vietnam vet that he is - suddenly snorted that he hoped Hegseth recalled that SOG to active duty and stripped him of his military retirement.

He sure didn't say that about the veterans that invaded the US Capitol, some of whom were in the process of finding out it could happen.

What did Kelly do to upset the old man?
This is a man who was nearly court martialed 50 years ago for following a direct order - but he thinks Kelly et al were in the wrong????

Like I said, I break out the Scotch at 9am when I'm there.

 

[Bazza]

Kathryn Ruemmler....oops......

Top Goldman Sachs lawyer Kathy Ruemmler shocks execs with abrupt resignation after ‘xoxo’ emails with Epstein surface

“Throughout her tenure, Kathy has been an extraordinary general counsel, and we are grateful for her contributions and sound advice on a wide range of consequential legal matters for the firm,” CEO…

nypost.com

Jennifer Connelly, a spokesperson for Ruemmler, told The Post: “Ms. Ruemmler has done nothing wrong and has nothing to hide. Nothing in the record suggests otherwise.”

“She will enjoy a wealthy retirement, though probably fewer cocktail parties and golf outings,” said one Wall Street insider. “She has many secrets to keep.”

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Crazy that Massie needs to say this:

“I am not suicidal. I eat healthy food. The brakes on my car and truck are in good shape. I practice good trigger discipline and never point a gun at anyone, including myself. There are no deep pools of water on my farm and I’m a pretty good swimmer.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022398709733224551

He must already be getting threats including from his own party.

 

[Bamaro]

Given the number of reporters who were silent about JFK's peccadillos IN PART because they were sampling the same goodies.....I think you can draw the conclusion from what I just said.

Similar but different with a huge difference.
JFK was cheating on his wife
Clinton was cheating on his wife
Trump was cheating on his wives
The question now is whether trump cheated with underage girls. Circumstantial evidence (for now) strongly suggests yes.
And the Epstein motives here, besides his attraction to underage girls himself, was buying favor with the rich and powerful while accumulating 'dirt' on those for future use if needed.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Similar but different with a huge difference.
JFK was cheating on his wife
Clinton was cheating on his wife
Trump was cheating on his wives
The question now is whether trump cheated with underage girls. Circumstantial evidence (for now) strongly suggests yes.
And the Epstein motives here, besides his attraction to underage girls himself, was buying favor with the rich and powerful while accumulating 'dirt' on those for future use if needed.

I don’t dispute that they are not precisely the same, but I was responding specifically to why journalists would not report it.

Yes, they’re probably are some journalists involved doing the same things with my point.

I don’t for a second believe what Clinton did with a young adult female (21) is the same as if, say, Monica Lewinsky had been 13 years old.

 

[M Squires]

I don’t dispute that they are not precisely the same, but I was responding specifically to why journalists would not report it.

Yes, they’re probably are some journalists involved doing the same things with my point.

I don’t for a second believe what Clinton did with a young adult female (21) is the same as if, say, Monica Lewinsky had been 13 years old.

It’s a terrible, terrible red flag for Clinton and for Trump. Not proof that they were sleeping with underage girls, but proof that they would sleep with very young of age girls and turn a blind eye towards the morality of it. These are exactly the kind of guys that turn a blind eye towards the entirety of Epstein‘s problem even when they know the entirety of it.. And Trump told the Palm Beach police that he was well aware of Epstein‘s horrific endeavors.

As another poster in this thread said “I find it hard to believe that even though Woody Allen was in the Epstein files he would cheat on his daughter like that.”