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81usaf92 said:
Tbh Turkey has been semi authoritarian since atta Turk. The idea that the military is constantly compelled to save the “republic” just seems to be more of a shogunate security ruling in the background of a puppet government. Erdogan is just a guy that made enough friends in the military to prevent them doing it to him.

However Turkey is far more secular and semi progressive than most of the major Islamic middle eastern countries.
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It's pretty much authoritarian at this point. Calling it semi progressive in the sense of Sharia law is accurate, but like the vast majority of the Islamic world representative democracy isn't a workable model. The two are at odds to the point one has to go.
 
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AWRTR said:
It's pretty much authoritarian at this point. Calling it semi progressive in the sense of Sharia law is accurate, but like the vast majority of the Islamic world representative democracy isn't a workable model. The two are at odds to the point one has to go.
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I would say it’s more like Russia but of our flavor. I don’t see them as Islamic fundamentalist as much as I see them as some taste of Mussolini fascist. I see Erdogan as a guy who wants to rule like the Ottomans more than continue the Attaturk mythology of heroic revolution.

Turkey has its fundamentalists but they are far and away more secular than any modern middle eastern country not named Kuwait. Point is there is a very noticeable difference between stepping in Riyadh and Tehran than stepping into Istanbul. I sense Turkey deep down would prefer to be European than Middle Eastern but centuries of bad blood between the Ottomans and Western powers have never really healed nor is the fact that Turkey is constantly used as the gateway by extremists that really are seeking to do harm. However, I think Turkey being lifelong enemies of the Russians and allowing the US to utilize its land for military purposes does make me think they are a great ally to keep around
 
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81usaf92 said:
I would say it’s more like Russia but of our flavor. I don’t see them as Islamic fundamentalist as much as I see them as some taste of Mussolini fascist. I see Erdogan as a guy who wants to rule like the Ottomans more than continue the Attaturk mythology of heroic revolution.

Turkey has its fundamentalists but they are far and away more secular than any modern middle eastern country not named Kuwait. Point is there is a very noticeable difference between stepping in Riyadh and Tehran than stepping into Istanbul. I sense Turkey deep down would prefer to be European than Middle Eastern but centuries of bad blood between the Ottomans and Western powers have never really healed nor is the fact that Turkey is constantly used as the gateway by extremists that really are seeking to do harm. However, I think Turkey being lifelong enemies of the Russians and allowing the US to utilize its land for military purposes does make me think they are a great ally to keep around
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Korean vets who fought alongside them have told me that they are hellacious warriors. Some actually brought along their scimitars along with their modern weapons for the coup de grace. The North Koreans and Chinese found them terrifying...
 
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A Kremlin spokesperson said a Russian tanker full of oil has arrived at a port in Cuba after President Trump said he approached the shipment because of the humanitarian crisis.

 
Its On A Slab said:
This time next year, the mullahs will still be in charge, Venezuela will still be ruled by Chavismo autocrats, and Cuba will still be an impoverished Stalinist outpost. All will be thumbing their noses at us, even after we've spent all that blood and $$$.
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All probably true.
When we overthrew Saddam I predicted that, in ten years, Iraq will be ruled by a guy who looks and acts a lot like Saddam. And I was right.
 
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Padreruf said:
The Cuban people are, by and large, a literate people. Many have nothing to do with their time but go to school. Capitalism would be a stretch, but some sort of path to economic competition and freedom would be wonderful. From my trips and acquaintances there I can tell you that this will not be a destitute island if the right steps are taken. I just hope there is a non-violent transfer of power from communism to whatever is coming next.
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Baseball…and play baseball :)
 
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Its On A Slab said:
This time next year, the mullahs will still be in charge, Venezuela will still be ruled by Chavismo autocrats, and Cuba will still be an impoverished Stalinist outpost. All will be thumbing their noses at us, even after we've spent all that blood and $$$.
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LOL. I'm sure the Venezuelans and Cubans are doing a lot of nose thumbing these days.
 
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