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Link: Texas Tech QB Sorsby Entering Treatment for Gambling Addiction

I know one TT alum. He said neither he nor his buddies want Sorsby playing. To their credit they think he should be ineligible and are willing to lose a game or two with the backup.
 
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tideindc said:
I know one TT alum. He said neither he nor his buddies want Sorsby playing. To their credit they think he should be ineligible and are willing to lose a game or two with the backup.
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Do they donate to NiL?

Look at this nonsense

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In video, Texas Tech officials defend school, Brendan Sorsby

In a 20-plus-minute video released, Texas Tech officials defended their integrity and reiterated their support for Brendan Sorsby amid widespread criticism from the rest of the Big 12 Conference and other corners of college sports.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
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KrAzY3 said:
I think there's a weird background to this that really is a high stakes gamble (no pun intended).

We all know about the Texas Tech booster. He basically used political power to be appointed to the board of regents, and then made chairman. People need to get who this guy is, he's the definition of the "rogue booster" from years past that basically did what ever the heck he wanted. Only get this, he was made a regent in 2021. This coincides with NIL.

NIL was his path to power and essentially ownership of Texas Tech athletics. He funds their NIL, he makes them competitive in football, he pays a softball pitcher a million dollars, he gets to run the entire program.

It's important to note he's also actively lobbying for rule changes (including the one Saban recently was at a hearing for), which he thinks specifically will benefit the Big 12/Texas Tech.

I think his play here is actually pretty apparent. He's actively trying to blow up college football so he can get it remade in the way he thinks it should be. So basically going from rogue booster, to team owner, to the guy dictating how college football can be run.

To execute this he needs chaos, so he can then lobby (and no doubt pad that with huge political donations, he's already a big donor), so he then can come in and say let's save college football from this terrible stuff that's happening (which I helped cause). He's been doing that with NIL, and now he's doing that with gambling.

The thing where he might be overplaying his hand is that Texas Tech and the Big 12 were actually in a good position from what I could tell. I thought they had a good chance of surviving, and even joining an SEC and Big 10 breakaway. Basically the idea would be that the ACC was going to get cherry picked eventually and then the Big 12 would be left standing. He's now stirred the pot so much, that the opposite might happen.

If you're a Big 12 school, you have to choose sharing the conference with this idiot, and what ever dumb idea he has next or packing your bags. So If I'm Kansas, Arizona, Colorado, Utah... suddenly the ACC doesn't look so bad. The other solution is yeah, kick the bums out but that would also be a big mess that could fracture the Big 12.

If the has happened prior to The Pac-12 imploding, the Big 12 would already be dead.
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This theme of generating chaos in order to be a savior and get what one wants sounds eerily familiar
 
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Lmao at this kid being an ‘addict’ and we all lawyer up and get into a room with bought off big business physicians subtly teasing out what ‘addict’ means in the literature until one snaggletoothed fellow has their ‘gotcha’ moment justifying this piece of trash gets to play in the name of god and free markets.

This kid is garbage. Plain and simple. Texas Tech is even bigger trash and all the support that goes up the socioeconomic chain supporting it is as well.

Forfeit the games if he plays. If you’re a (non TT) fan your life will go on if you boycott Texas tech football as well for one year. This is an absolute joke and a microcosm of bigger problems. Make an example of Texas tech and the kid and strike fear into any player or school who wants to do it again. If this was the Middle Ages I would only let him play if he gets to come out into the field in a cage and then back into the cage once the games ends until the next Saturday. Enough.
 
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CB4 said:
So as Big 12 member, one would assume that Texas Tech signed off any part of the contractual obligation as a member, correct? That would include the ability of the Conference to levy penalties on a member institution by a “super majority” vote by the other 15 member schools. So on what grounds does the Texas AG have the right to litigate?
Your school agreed to the terms of the contract and the by-laws of the conference.
I’m kind of like @TideEngineer08 on this.
See you in court….
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Good point. It is more than a bit reminiscent of Florida State trying to get out of the ACC without paying the exit fee that they themselves signed off on.
 
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Judge Ken Curry is not the commissioner of college football. Neither is Texas's AG.

Any coercion that these can apply to college football, college football can return times a hundred, because the harm to football is far greater. If the AG sues an institution for harm to TT, a hundred can counter-sue.

One self-disqualifying athlete is not going to destroy college football because one judge said so. What limits to harm apply? What if there is a blatant "bad call" and TT loses a game, is the AG going to sue the refs? And so on, times a thousand.

There are a thousand ways for the non-Texas Tech constituency of college football to resist this ridiculous ruling. If I were an opposing AD, I would tell TT that my defense is not going to line up against an ineligible player. The game has one play, the game ends, a forfeit. The rule book says TT lost. The judge says TT wins. Who won the game? The question answers itself.
 
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DrollTide said:
Judge Ken Curry is not the commissioner of college football. Neither is Texas's AG.

Any coercion that these can apply to college football, college football can return times a hundred, because the harm to football is far greater. If the AG sues an institution for harm to TT, a hundred can counter-sue.

One self-disqualifying athlete is not going to destroy college football because one judge said so. What limits to harm apply? What if there is a blatant "bad call" and TT loses a game, is the AG going to sue the refs? And so on, times a thousand.

There are a thousand ways for the non-Texas Tech constituency of college football to resist this ridiculous ruling. If I were an opposing AD, I would tell TT that my defense is not going to line up against an ineligible player. The game has one play, the game ends, a forfeit. The rule book says TT lost. The judge says TT wins. Who won the game? The question answers itself.
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One of the more thoughtful (and creative) replies I have seen on TF. Chicken Little reigns supreme in CFB.
 
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Padreruf said:
One of the more thoughtful (and creative) replies I have seen on TF. Chicken Little reigns supreme in CFB.
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I think it’s a larger scale version of Shula-itis: every single thing has gone wrong so far, and even though this seems like a no brainer, I’m still dead set convinced they will find a way to screw it up.
 
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There is no commissioner of college football. To have a commissioner who could actually accomplish something and make it stick legally and uniformly (like Roger Goodell or Robert Manfred) would require an anti-trust exemption, which would have to come from Congress. The NCAA was emasculated long ago. O'Bannon just threw out the leavings.

As it stands today, "college football," however that might be defined, has no authority over anything -- including but in no way limited to the Sorsby case. All of college sports is in the hands of the courts. Which, as we know all too well, vary from state to state.

It's going to take federal action to fix this. Could be the anti-trust exemption mentioned above. Could be specific legislation. Could be a CBA. But it's going to take one of those. Nothing else, no matter how sensible, will stand up in court and be equally enforceable in all 50 states.
 
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CB4 said:
Every fumbled snap, every interception, every pass under throw/over throw of an open receiver, and anything that could even be mildly construed as impacting gambling props will be scrutinized to the nth degree.

So if Texas Tech is so “concerned about helping Sorsby’s recovery” as Campbell, Hocutt, McGuire have all stated, why would you want to put him in that position? Why put him under a national microscope?

Because by their actions they are showing that, if Sorsby has a gambling addiction, they couldn’t give a rat’s rear end about Sorsby the addict. They only care about “winning at whatever the cost” that “Sorsby the quarterback” may bring.
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Which begs me to ask, is he THAT good of a player?🤔

Me thinks not... :cool:
 
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4Q Basket Case said:
There is no commissioner of college football. The NCAA was emasculated long ago. O'Bannon just threw out the leavings.

"College football," however that might be defined, has no authority over anything -- including but in no way limited to the Sorsby case. All of college sports is in the hands of the courts. Which, as we know all too well, vary from state to state.

It's going to take federal action to fix this. Could be an anti-trust exemption. Could be specific legislation. Could be a CBA. But it's going to take one of those. Nothing else, no matter how sensible, will stand up in court and be equally enforceable in all 50 states.
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The NFL, MLB and NBA do not have these problems, so why does NCAA FB? :cool:

FIX IT!:rolleyes:
 
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DrollTide said:
There are a thousand ways for the non-Texas Tech constituency of college football to resist this ridiculous ruling. If I were an opposing AD, I would tell TT that my defense is not going to line up against an ineligible player. The game has one play, the game ends, a forfeit. The rule book says TT lost. The judge says TT wins. Who won the game? The question answers itself.
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As was noted elsewhere, one problem is the strategy that Auburn helped pioneer. You sue, and threaten to sue, and tie people up in court. This might seem like it shouldn't work, but it's remarkably effective both as a deterrent (expensive legal battles that could have penalties attached) and the pragmatic aspect. At this point Texas Tech would get sued if they changed course and refused to play him, the Big 12 will get sued if they try to ban him or Texas Tech, and yeah they'd probably sue the opposing team if they didn't like what they did either. Also I would note that the judge ruled him eligible, if the NCAA says otherwise they are in violation of the court order.

Despite how terrible the NCAA has been doing in court (I heard someone recap the NCAA's argument against Sorsby as basically being "because we said so"), they aren't actually losing all of these cases. The issue is these cases take so long to resolve that the season is over. So all you need is an injunction until the season is over at which point the NCAA just throws up their hands and walks away.

In the end, just threatening to go to court can get a lot of people to back off, then if that doesn't work you get an injunction which ties their hands. Courts can do really insane stuff if you've followed court cases over the years, they can give you a gag order, they can order you to pay hundreds of millions over trivial things, they can do what ever they want, at least until it works it's way fully through the courts and hope to get something more akin to a fair ruling. People are rightfully afraid of going to court in a lot of cases.

In this case though, the Oklahoma AG has stepped up and offered to help the Big 12 in any legal fight against Texas Tech. So, there are powers aligning on the other side, but when a billionaire starts throwing his weight around, and calling in favors with politicians he has funded... it's a formidable force no matter how horrible the actions are.
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The NFL, MLB and NBA do not have these problems, so why does NCAA FB? :cool:

FIX IT!:rolleyes:
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One thing I said over and over in the NIL discussions was that the college sports model was not compatible with paying players directly. I tried explaining it, I tried breaking down the implications, I even said players would sue for eligibility. It still seemed like a popular idea, because who cares about nuance? The problem is college sports have such a radically different structure that adding payment to players results in, well... this. It's probably only solved by Congress now and ironically we got into this mess when politicians started passing stupid NIL laws, so that's as likely to backfire as help (the current law being debated is the one the idiot that's causing the problem we are discussing is promoting).
 
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I read the AG of Oklahoma is demanding sorsby be ineligible and they will support such an action from the Big 12.
 
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