The Decline of the American Media IV

I agree, 4Q. Those videos have been amazing to watch. I was particularly moved by the guy who was about to fly home, but made one last stop at his new favorite place: Waffle House. He practically drowned his waffle in butter and syrup then burst into tears when he put the first bite in his mouth. (He didn't mention anything about any fights breaking out.)

It's no secret that I hate our government, but I DO love my country and times like this are what make me proud to be an American. We have made ourselves proud with how well we have hosted our visitors with both courtesy and respect.
 
This idea came to me in the World Cup thread over on the Football board. But in the spirit of keeping politics out of sports boards, I'm putting it here.

The foreign fans over for the World Cup are singing the praises of the American people and American culture -- because both are so much better than they've been led to believe.

The US media never misses a chance to paint the US in the worst possible light. Likewise the BBC. I don't speak another language well enough to get much out of other countries' broadcasts. But I don't need to. America is bad. All shootings, muggings, unsafe, loud, obnoxious, xenophobic and drunk. In fairness, Trump doesn't help that narrative. But it existed in both the US media and the BBC way before Trump hit the world stage.

Having heard so much negativity about America and Americans, many of these fans were apprehensive about coming over. Then the reality didn't match up with their pre-conceptions, and they were shocked.

No, we're not perfect. And there's just enough violence and obnoxious behavior to lend some validity to the charge, even though it's way overblown. Also note that it's the big cities that draw the only complaint I've heard -- that they're expensive.

Which begs the question, "How do the Democrats plan to use affordability as their keynote issue when the cities and states that they have had control over for decades are the most expensive places to live?" To quote Nick Saban, "What you do is so loud I can't hear what you say."

But this thread is about media, not red vs. blue.

Listen to what these people are saying....that there's so much to love about America and Americans, and that we do so many things so well. Note that it takes a bunch of foreign sports fans overcoming their preconceptions and telling us that. You sure won't hear it on the legacy media -- either here or over there.

I've found the reactions from the World Cup visitors to be fascinating and a bright line being shone on how pathetic the MSM and our lefists are. We've won the charm offensive without even trying with air conditioning and ranch dressing! What we take for granted, visitors see as a holy grail. All this time, we are being told how much America sucks when anyone who has ever been anywhere knows better. America (inspite of our government) is the greatest in history. It's our belief in individual freedoms and capitalsim that are the pillars of this greatness. Yet, we are told these are evil and that collectivism (in spite of the deaths of millions) is noble and good. Plenty of places to go enjoy that misery. Yet the haters won't leave.
 
Which begs the question, "How do the Democrats plan to use affordability as their keynote issue when the cities and states that they have had control over for decades are the most expensive places to live?" To quote Nick Saban, "What you do is so loud I can't hear what you say."

But this thread is about media, not red vs. blue.
the paragraph immediately preceding this and a bulk of the posts here suggest otherwise
 
the paragraph immediately preceding this and a bulk of the posts here suggest otherwise

I'm anti-red and blue because both tribes are doing their best to destroy what is great about this country. Sadly, it takes visitors to remind the rubes how awesome America is and that enforced death by heatstroke is not desirable government policy.
 
I agree, 4Q. Those videos have been amazing to watch. I was particularly moved by the guy who was about to fly home, but made one last stop at his new favorite place: Waffle House. He practically drowned his waffle in butter and syrup then burst into tears when he put the first bite in his mouth. (He didn't mention anything about any fights breaking out.)

It's no secret that I hate our government, but I DO love my country and times like this are what make me proud to be an American. We have made ourselves proud with how well we have hosted our visitors with both courtesy and respect.

Seeing the WC visitors take trips to Walmart, Costco, Buc-ees, Bass Pro Shops, and any one of dozens of American restaurants ... it's awesome! We have it so good here. Context and perspective is lost on the tribalists. That's why they're so miserable and want everyone else to be equally miserable.
 
I'm not sure where you are going with that post (#120)about media. I have heard plenty of reporting on the visitors enjoying their time here. :unsure:

I find that every place has its good and bad points. The US is most definitely not a bad place to live, but we should accept that things can always improve and strive to make it better for everyone.
 
I'm not sure where you are going with that post (#120)about media. I have heard plenty of reporting on the visitors enjoying their time here. :unsure:
I guess I didn't make my point clear.

You're right in that I've seen lots of reporting, written and broadcast, that World Cup visitors have generally had a great time.

Those visitors also often express that their positive experience has been a surprise to them. Their pre-conceptions about obnoxious, loud, xenophobic, drunk, and sometimes violent Americans and American culture had not been consistent with the reality they saw.

Without question, there are obnoxious, loud, xenophobic, drunk and violent Americans. But there are so many more welcoming and gracious hosts who built and maintained a great culture way before the World Cup and will continue to do so after the 2026 World Cup is a distant memory. Who gets the media attention? The bad guys.

So my point is, where would the foreign fans have gotten the information to develop those pre-conceptions? The US and British media over a period of years or decades. I'm guessing also the media from other countries. I speak enough French to navigate a menu and basic social niceties. But as I mentioned above, I don't speak any language other than English well enough to catch much on their news broadcasts.
 
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I guess I didn't make my point clear.

You're right in that I've seen lots of reporting, written and broadcast, that World Cup visitors have generally had a great time.

Those visitors also often express that their positive experience has been a surprise to them. Their pre-conceptions about obnoxious, loud, xenophobic, drunk, and sometimes violent Americans and American culture had not been consistent with the reality they saw.

Without question, there are obnoxious, loud, xenophobic, drunk and violent Americans. But there are so many more welcoming and gracious hosts who built and maintained a great culture way before the World Cup and will continue to do so after the 2026 World Cup is a distant memory. Who gets the media attention? The bad guys.

So my point is, where would the foreign fans have gotten the information to develop those pre-conceptions? The US and British media over a period of years or decades. I'm guessing also the media from other countries. I speak enough French to navigate a menu and basic social niceties. But as I mentioned above, I don't speak any language other than English well enough to catch much on their news broadcasts.
But remember, those folks probably arent going to a soccer game. Now if they were going to college football game I wonder if their responses would be as glowing?

Soccer is a woke sport...
 
I agree, 4Q. Those videos have been amazing to watch. I was particularly moved by the guy who was about to fly home, but made one last stop at his new favorite place: Waffle House. He practically drowned his waffle in butter and syrup then burst into tears when he put the first bite in his mouth. (He didn't mention anything about any fights breaking out.)

It's no secret that I hate our government, but I DO love my country and times like this are what make me proud to be an American. We have made ourselves proud with how well we have hosted our visitors with both courtesy and respect.
I just dont see how you can hate our government and love our country. Do you love the scenic beauty, our wildlife, our temperate climate? But for our government without being what it has been over our history, these are the only things you would be able to love about our country inseparable from our government.

Our Constitution, our form of government, our military who died for it made this the country you love. There are aspects of our government you absolutely depend on - national security, public safety, transportation, property rights, personal privacy, civil rights, the full-faith backed dollar in your pocket.

You have enjoyed a standard of living you would be hard pressed to replicate anywhere else in the world. Our form of government has been the best expression of individual liberty in the history of mankind, regardless of party in charge.

The fact that we can elect, twice, a guy like Trump as President speaks to how spoiled we are as a nation with the expectations we place on our government and the jealousy we have for each other. People who hate our government with an unrivaled fervor and wanted to give our government a giant middle finger elected Trump. An insufficient number of people care to vote him out while they still can. Destitute grievance and apathy put him there. And as long as he can keep people focused in this hate of our government or hopeless to change it he will remain there.

Our next 250 years, there are that many years left, will likely more about refamiliarizing us with hard scrabble values applicable to us all moreso than advancing the freedom experience.
 
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I just dont see how you can hate our government and love our country. Do you love the scenic beauty, our wildlife, our temperate climate? But for our government without being what it has been over our history, these are the only things you would be able to love about our country inseparable from our government.

Our Constitution, our form of government, our military who died for it made this the country you love. There are aspects of our government you absolutely depend on - national security, public safety, transportation, property rights, personal privacy, civil rights, the full-faith backed dollar in your pocket.

You have enjoyed a standard of living you would be hard pressed to replicate anywhere else in the world. Our form of government has been the best expression of individual liberty in the history of mankind, regardless of party in charge.

The fact that we can elect, twice, a guy like Trump as President speaks to how spoiled we are as a nation with the expectations we place on our government and the jealousy we have for each other. People who hate our government with an unrivaled fervor and wanted to give our government a giant middle finger elected Trump. An insufficient number of people care to vote him out while they still can. Destitute grievance and apathy put him there. And as long as he can keep people focused in this hate of our government or hopeless to change it he will remain there.

Our next 250 years, there are that many years left, will likely more about refamiliarizing us with hard scrabble values applicable to us all moreso than advancing the freedom experience.

I don't see how someone can look at the most wasteful entity on the planet and not be disgusted by it. The only thing that will diminish, if not destroy, this country is the corruption and incompetence in government. Spending more than $2,000,000,0000,000 more than we have every year. The way government spends money is obscene.

This is not a criticism of our Founders, the Constitution, capitalism, property rights, the right to a trial of one's peers, or anything else that made our founding a marvel in human history. This is a criticism of what government has become: a leviathan that long ago broke out of its Constitutional cage. It is evil and it will destroy us.
 
I guess I didn't make my point clear.

You're right in that I've seen lots of reporting, written and broadcast, that World Cup visitors have generally had a great time.

Those visitors also often express that their positive experience has been a surprise to them. Their pre-conceptions about obnoxious, loud, xenophobic, drunk, and sometimes violent Americans and American culture had not been consistent with the reality they saw.

Without question, there are obnoxious, loud, xenophobic, drunk and violent Americans. But there are so many more welcoming and gracious hosts who built and maintained a great culture way before the World Cup and will continue to do so after the 2026 World Cup is a distant memory. Who gets the media attention? The bad guys.

So my point is, where would the foreign fans have gotten the information to develop those pre-conceptions? The US and British media over a period of years or decades. I'm guessing also the media from other countries. I speak enough French to navigate a menu and basic social niceties. But as I mentioned above, I don't speak any language other than English well enough to catch much on their news broadcasts.
Yup, the media doesn't concentrate on your actions and mine. They report the news and those making it, especially the low lifes, as they should. (man bites dog)

I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something, something I can use
People love it when you lose, they love dirty laundry

We got the bubble-headed bleached-blonde, comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry

Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?
You know, the boys in the newsroom got a running bet
"Get the widow on the set,"
we need dirty laundry
 
I just dont see how you can hate our government and love our country. Do you love the scenic beauty, our wildlife, our temperate climate? But for our government without being what it has been over our history, these are the only things you would be able to love about our country inseparable from our government.

Our Constitution, our form of government, our military who died for it made this the country you love. There are aspects of our government you absolutely depend on - national security, public safety, transportation, property rights, personal privacy, civil rights, the full-faith backed dollar in your pocket.

You have enjoyed a standard of living you would be hard pressed to replicate anywhere else in the world. Our form of government has been the best expression of individual liberty in the history of mankind, regardless of party in charge.

The fact that we can elect, twice, a guy like Trump as President speaks to how spoiled we are as a nation with the expectations we place on our government and the jealousy we have for each other. People who hate our government with an unrivaled fervor and wanted to give our government a giant middle finger elected Trump. An insufficient number of people care to vote him out while they still can. Destitute grievance and apathy put him there. And as long as he can keep people focused in this hate of our government or hopeless to change it he will remain there.

Our next 250 years, there are that many years left, will likely more about refamiliarizing us with hard scrabble values applicable to us all moreso than advancing the freedom experience.

Part of the problem with our government is that those that hate it have repeatedly tried to destroy it and have greatly affected its functioning. See the US Postal service.

We'd have much more functional government if we just funded it better (or maybe rearranged the financing of the various parts) and let it work rather than constantly trying to destroy it.

My brother also goes on and on about the US government right after the Revolutionary War and how they didn't have income taxes, etc. He gets rather testy when I point out that the country had 4 million people without electricity, there were no roads connecting most cities, and when you got sick you died, or the doctors killed you. Its a much more complicated and expensive world these days.
 
The USPS is grossly wasteful and inefficient. One example is the $10,000,000,000* that was spent on electric vehicles. 6000 electric vehicles sat unused because it didn't have the charging infrastructure in place. Government tends to invest backwards.

Government does not have the influence of market forces to make it smart. It substitutes that for the whims of bureaucrats who are not concerned (or even understand the concept of) efficiency and being a good steward of taxpayers' money. I've worked in government acquisitions for nearly 18 years. I see the retardation daily.

The solution to dealing with an entity that has the fiscal discipline of a meth head with a gambling addiction is not to give it more money.


*Perversely humorous, about $3,000,000,000 of that was allocated in the Inflation Reduction Act.
 
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The USPS is grossly wasteful and inefficient. One example is the $10,000,000,000* that was spent on electric vehicles. 6000 electric vehicles sat unused because it didn't have the charging infrastructure in place. Government tends to invest backwards.

Government does not have the influence of market forces to make it smart. It substitutes that for the whims of bureaucrats who are not concerned (or even understand the concept of) efficiency and being a good steward of taxpayers' money. I've worked in government acquisitions for nearly 18 years. I see the retardation daily.

The solution to dealing with an entity that has the fiscal discipline of a meth head with a gambling addiction is not to give it more money.


*Perversely humorous, about $3,000,000,000 of that was allocated in the Inflation Reduction Act.
Sounds good on paper but unfortunately "starve the beast" never works with the feds since they simply borrow or print the difference.
The day of reckoning is coming. :(
 
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Government does not have the influence of market forces to make it smart. It substitutes that for the whims of bureaucrats who are not concerned (or even understand the concept of) efficiency and being a good steward of taxpayers' money. I've worked in government acquisitions for nearly 18 years. I see the retardation daily.
Two points on this:

Several years ago, Mrs. Basket Case and I visited Scandinavia -- Denmark and Sweden. Both have big government bennies funded by high tax rates. So why does that work there, but not here? Two reasons: First, the populace has faith that the government will be a generally good steward of the money. Second, they still have a cultural bias against laziness. You can't just sit at home, watch TV and collect disability benefits.

Obviously, we don't have (1) faith in the stewardship of our elected leaders (with good grounds!), and (2) as evidenced by the low workforce participation rates, a significant part of our population has bought into the disability benefits and other bennies instead of working.

Second, governmental whims that have real impact on real people. One example I'm dealing with right now. Our upstairs AC has a refrigerant leak. It's been isolated to the evaporator coil (the part of a split unit that's inside the house -- usually in the attic). The unit is only 8 years old, so I talked to the tech about that.

My current unit uses 410 refrigerant. Which, when it was installed only 8 years ago, was a new federally-mandated requirement to reduce CFCs. At least part of the reason the components don't last as long as they used to is that 410 requires higher compression to work properly. Higher compression = more stress on the components. After a few years of being under high compression, on and off every time the system cycles, they tend to spring a leak.

Here's the kicker -- only a few years after being mandated, 410 refrigerant isn't allowed in new systems anymore. So unless we can find a 410 evaporator coil, I'm going to have to replace the condenser as well -- the outside part of the split system. Even though there's nothing wrong with it.

The requirement for the newest refrigerant is fairly recent, so I'm optimistic we can find a 410 evaporator. But it'll cost about double what it would have because (1) demand, and (2) they aren't allowed to make new ones anymore. So pretty soon, you won't be able to find one at any price.

So a $1,500 repair that would have been about 5 years later under 410's predecessor will cost about $2.5K - $3K today. And that's a bargain because a year from now, will be about $5K - $6K because of having to replace the whole danged system.

All because the government changed the requirements for refrigerant twice in a relatively short period of time. I can't help but wonder how many folks in the EPA have stock in AC manufacturers?

So yeah.....example 347,349,870 of why people don't trust government to do the sensible thing.
 
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Two points on this:

Several years ago, Mrs. Basket Case and I visited Scandinavia -- Denmark and Sweden. Both have big government bennies funded by high tax rates. So why does that work there, but not here? Two reasons: First, the populace has faith that the government will be a generally good steward of the money. Second, they still have a cultural bias against laziness. You can't just sit at home, watch TV and collect disability benefits.

Obviously, we don't have (1) faith in the stewardship of our elected leaders (with good grounds!), and (2) as evidenced by the low workforce participation rates, a significant part of our population has bought into the disability benefits and other bennies instead of working.

Second, governmental whims that have real impact on real people. One example I'm dealing with right now. Our upstairs AC has a refrigerant leak. It's been isolated to the evaporator coil (the part of a split unit that's inside the house -- usually in the attic). The unit is only 8 years old, so I talked to the tech about that.

My current unit uses 410 refrigerant. Which, when it was installed only 8 years ago, was a new federally-mandated requirement to reduce CFCs. At least part of the reason the components don't last as long as they used to is that 410 requires higher compression to work properly. Higher compression = more stress on the components. After a few years of being under high compression, on and off every time the system kicks on, they tend to spring a leak.

Here's the kicker -- only a few years after being mandated, 410 refrigerant isn't allowed in new systems anymore. So unless we can find a 410 evaporator coil, I'm going to have to replace the condenser as well -- the outside part of the split system. Even though there's nothing wrong with it.

The requirement for the newest refrigerant is fairly recent, so I'm optimistic we can find a 410 evaporator. But it'll cost about double what it would have because (1) demand, and (2) they aren't allowed to make new ones anymore. So pretty soon, you won't be able to find one at any price.

So a $1,500 repair that would have been about 5 years later under 410's predecessor will cost about $2.5K - $3K today. And that's a bargain because a year from now, will be about $5K - $6K because of having to replace the whole danged system.

All because the government changed the requirements for refrigerant twice in a relatively short period of time. I can't help but wonder how many folks in the EPA have stock in AC manufacturers?

So yeah.....example 347,349,870 of why people don't trust government to do the sensible thing.
I have a similar situation with an HVAC System. R-410a parts are available at Surplus City https://surpluscityliquidators.com/collections/r-410a, other similar sites and on Ebay where you can likely find a replacement part or a complete air handler to replace the existing one. Due to advances in variable speed heat pumps and potential tax writeoffs and TVA rebates there is a decent argument to be made for replacing an obsolete system altogether.
 
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Two points on this:

Several years ago, Mrs. Basket Case and I visited Scandinavia -- Denmark and Sweden. Both have big government bennies funded by high tax rates. So why does that work there, but not here? Two reasons: First, the populace has faith that the government will be a generally good steward of the money. Second, they still have a cultural bias against laziness. You can't just sit at home, watch TV and collect disability benefits.

Obviously, we don't have (1) faith in the stewardship of our elected leaders (with good grounds!), and (2) as evidenced by the low workforce participation rates, a significant part of our population has bought into the disability benefits and other bennies instead of working.

Second, governmental whims that have real impact on real people. One example I'm dealing with right now. Our upstairs AC has a refrigerant leak. It's been isolated to the evaporator coil (the part of a split unit that's inside the house -- usually in the attic). The unit is only 8 years old, so I talked to the tech about that.

My current unit uses 410 refrigerant. Which, when it was installed only 8 years ago, was a new federally-mandated requirement to reduce CFCs. At least part of the reason the components don't last as long as they used to is that 410 requires higher compression to work properly. Higher compression = more stress on the components. After a few years of being under high compression, on and off every time the system kicks on, they tend to spring a leak.

Here's the kicker -- only a few years after being mandated, 410 refrigerant isn't allowed in new systems anymore. So unless we can find a 410 evaporator coil, I'm going to have to replace the condenser as well -- the outside part of the split system. Even though there's nothing wrong with it.

The requirement for the newest refrigerant is fairly recent, so I'm optimistic we can find a 410 evaporator. But it'll cost about double what it would have because (1) demand, and (2) they aren't allowed to make new ones anymore. So pretty soon, you won't be able to find one at any price.

So a $1,500 repair that would have been about 5 years later under 410's predecessor will cost about $2.5K - $3K today. And that's a bargain because a year from now, will be about $5K - $6K because of having to replace the whole danged system.

All because the government changed the requirements for refrigerant twice in a relatively short period of time. I can't help but wonder how many folks in the EPA have stock in AC manufacturers?

So yeah.....example 347,349,870 of why people don't trust government to do the sensible thing.

Governments in Europe, Japan, and some other places aren't as corrupt as ours. And by corrupt I blame both parties, not just the left handing out pork. The same group on the right who openly decries government views it as a big pot of money for the taking. So much government money is transferred to the corporate world without competition.

I think our incentives remain askew in the US... Pay people a living wage, make it so they know they can maintain healthcare coverage and retire, and I think the natural inclination is to work. The notion that all poor people are just not willing to work is not correct. Job training, job matching, helping people find a career and relocating. These are things that I think we can do and make everything better for all.

Interestingly, the whole deal with CFC based refrigerants and the ozone layer really was a major concern and had a potential to cause an environmental disaster. Although painful in some respects, the Montreal Protocol has been a resounding success.
 
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Governments in Europe, Japan, and some other places aren't as corrupt as ours. And by corrupt I blame both parties, not just the left handing out pork. The same group on the right who openly decries government views it as a big pot of money for the taking. So much government money is transferred to the corporate world without competition.

I think our incentives remain askew in the US... Pay people a living wage, make it so they know they can maintain healthcare coverage and retire, and I think the natural inclination is to work. The notion that all poor people are just not willing to work is not correct. Job training, job matching, helping people find a career and relocating. These are things that I think we can do and make everything better for all.

Interestingly, the whole deal with CFC based refrigerants and the ozone layer really was a major concern and had a potential to cause an environmental disaster. Although painful in some respects, the Montreal Protocol has been a resounding success.
The topic of the Korean War came up this morning. The nature of that war then Vietnam , Iraq and Afganistan. then Iran. That list of failed wars coupled with the horrible ineffectiveness of our government at all levels caused me to contemplate how history will view the demise of of the US empire in a similar fashion of the Roman Empire and other similar empires that have risen to great power and fallen virtually under their own weight.
 
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