2 Questions about LSU

[CrimsonSnake]

1. How many players of the starting 22 were Coach Saban's recruits?

2. How many of the starting 22 will not be back next season?

RTR,

CrimsonSnake

 

[jps1983]

I think it was like 16 or 17. They mentioned it ad nauseam during the Bama/LSU game. I think the # returning depends on if anyone goes pro, but they'll lose more starters than Bama will.

 

[Fishhead]

1. How many players of the starting 22 were Coach Saban's recruits?

2. How many of the starting 22 will not be back next season?

RTR,

CrimsonSnake

I believe 17...which would leave 5 for your second question...unless Tyson Jackson jumps to the NFL.

But, I don't know if that # is from the beginning of the season or the end. I do know that we lose Flynn, Hester, Doucet, Dorsey, Steltz, and other great Tiger seniors. Of those, I would say that we have very solid replacements for all except Dorsey.

 

[red55]

Of those, I would say that we have very solid replacements for all except Dorsey.

Al Woods is a solid replacement, I think. He won't step into Dorsey's All-American shoes in his first game, but he'll be effective at tackle next year.

Les has been recruiting better in his first three years than Nick did in his last three years, so there won't be a big talent drop-off when the seniors leave. There will be a big drop-off in experience, however, but there are some strong future stars waiting for a chance to get to play.

LSU's problem next season won't be the talent, it will be the schedule. Due to a quick in the SEC scheduling, LSU must face a murderer's row of Florida, Auburn, Arkansas and the East Division rotating opponent (often Georgia or Tennessee) all at home in odd years and all on the road in even years. It's very hard to win on the road in the upper tier of the SEC. As a result LSU has gone to the SECCG every odd-numbered year, but never has in even numbered years. Even Nick never had more than 9 wins in an even-numbered year at LSU.

 

[Fishhead]

Al Woods is a solid replacement, I think. He won't step into Dorsey's All-American shoes in his first game, but he'll be effective at tackle next year.

Les has been recruiting better in his first three years than Nick did in his last three years, so there won't be a big talent drop-off when the seniors leave. There will be a big drop-off in experience, however, but there are some strong future stars waiting for a chance to get to play.

LSU's problem next season won't be the talent, it will be the schedule. Due to a quick in the SEC scheduling, LSU must face a murderer's row of Florida, Auburn, Arkansas and the East Division rotating opponent (often Georgia or Tennessee) all at home in odd years and all on the road in even years. It's very hard to win on the road in the upper tier of the SEC. As a result LSU has gone to the SECCG every odd-numbered year, but never has in even numbered years. Even Nick never had more than 9 wins in an even-numbered year at LSU.

If I'm not mistaken...and you all know I rarely am _lol:...UGA is a HOME game for LSU next year. USCe is on the road.

I said this in another thread, Red...but I don't buy the "murderer's row" schedule for LSU next year. UF? Yes. AU and Arky next season? No. Auburn must rebuild, and Arky will most likely be without Run DMC AND Feliz Jones. Nowhere NEAR the same team without them...AND with a new coach.

I realize the pattern, but you have to look past the pattern...look into the future...bright things will you see!

 

[CornBiscuit]

I said this in another thread, Red...but I don't buy the "murderer's row" schedule for LSU next year.

It is not necessarily how tough it is, but how tough it is compared to the odd years. The odds of any team winning at Auburn and Florida in the same year is slim.

 

[BamaInBham]

Al Woods is a solid replacement, I think. He won't step into Dorsey's All-American shoes in his first game, but he'll be effective at tackle next year.

Les has been recruiting better in his first three years than Nick did in his last three years, so there won't be a big talent drop-off when the seniors leave. There will be a big drop-off in experience, however, but there are some strong future stars waiting for a chance to get to play.

LSU's problem next season won't be the talent, it will be the schedule. Due to a quick in the SEC scheduling, LSU must face a murderer's row of Florida, Auburn, Arkansas and the East Division rotating opponent (often Georgia or Tennessee) all at home in odd years and all on the road in even years. It's very hard to win on the road in the upper tier of the SEC. As a result LSU has gone to the SECCG every odd-numbered year, but never has in even numbered years. Even Nick never had more than 9 wins in an even-numbered year at LSU.

I don't necessarily agree that LSU's recruiting has been as good the last 3 years. Maybe as far as some ratings go but not as far as 'real' football talent. Talent evaluation is one of Saban's strong points - doubt that Miles (no knock on him, but few if any are as good as Saban at it) is up to par with Saban. We will see.

A few of examples of Saban's evaluation prowess just this year: Kareem Jackson, whose best offer was Maryland/Vandy, has turned out to be the best corner on the team as a Tr. Fr.; Jeremy Elder, who was a 2 star, has turned out to be the one of the best DL prospects on the team before he was injured; Chris Underwood a 2 star recruit that no one had heard of, seems to already be a comer at TE...

17 of LSU's starters (at the beginning of the year) were Saban signees, 21 of the 22 were recruited by Saban. Next years' 4th and 5th yr Srs and RS Jrs will likely be Saban signees still. FWIW, really they are LSU signees, any coach would have wanted many and many would have come to LSU regardless of the coach.

 

[red55]

I don't necessarily agree that LSU's recruiting has been as good the last 3 years. Maybe as far as some ratings go but not as far as 'real' football talent.

See Rivals.com. I'm not the expert, they are. Nick averaged 3.6 stars per player and Les averaged 3.8 stars per player.

Next years' 4th and 5th yr Srs and RS Jrs will likely be Saban signees still. FWIW, really they are LSU signees, any coach would have wanted many and many would have come to LSU regardless of the coach.

Not exactly. There will be exactly seven seniors--former redshirt freshmen under Nick, left on LSU's 85-man scholarship roster in 2008. None of them ever played a game for Nick.

In 2009, only Nick's strength & conditioning coach will be left to excuse away any success that Les has had at LSU. :biggrin2:

 

[StoneMtnDew]

Auburn is supposed to be down? They have 16 returners for next year and 10 of those should be back for 2009. LSU returns 11 and only 4 will be back for 2009. This according to :http://auburn.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?Year=2007&Team=LSU

But you keep thinking AU won't be a hard game.

 

[CrimsonSnake]

I think that regardless of the school you pull for it is obvious that Saban recruited very well while at LSU. My question(s) were asked to 'see' how the depth looked based upon class rankings. I for one am excited to see that by the start of summer practice 50(ish) scholarshipped players will be Saban's recruits and will have only played for him, rather than our recent carosel of coaches. I know that that will only help the efforts.

 

[Fishhead]

Auburn is supposed to be down? They have 16 returners for next year and 10 of those should be back for 2009. LSU returns 11 and only 4 will be back for 2009. This according to :http://auburn.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?Year=2007&Team=LSU

But you keep thinking AU won't be a hard game.

My point is this...(I don't follow AU like I do my team)...but I know they will be breaking in a new QB for sure...(probably an advantage for them _lol...and their best defensive player is gone. Honestly, they didn't have too much this year anyway, so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they will be better next year. I don't know who their new QB will be...but I know it's hard to come in with a new QB and dominate.

You may say we too are breaking in a new QB...but with our system, I think it's easier to do...plus Perrilloux has some extensive gametime experience now...and MANY more weapons to help him out.

 

[StoneMtnDew]

My point is this...(I don't follow AU like I do my team)...but I know they will be breaking in a new QB for sure...(probably an advantage for them _lol...and their best defensive player is gone. Honestly, they didn't have too much this year anyway, so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they will be better next year. I don't know who their new QB will be...but I know it's hard to come in with a new QB and dominate.

You may say we too are breaking in a new QB...but with our system, I think it's easier to do...plus Perrilloux has some extensive gametime experience now...and MANY more weapons to help him out.

Kodi Burns should be an upgrade for AU. He's played a little and will get the majority of the reps in the spring and fall. I'd say AU's got a pretty easy system to adjust to as well. Cox came in and started for 3 years and won 9, 11 and 8 games, which ain't bad for a kid with a noodle for an arm.

The main thing is that AU returns their other skill players and their line. Their O should be improved, depending on what happens with Borges. Their D will still be very good. They have the best coached D. Look what Muschamp did with those players and look what Pelini did with a bunch of NFL players.

I'd worry a lot more about AU if I were you. You seem to find AUs faults but you think those same things are benefits for LSU. Have you not paid attention to AU for the past few years?

 

[alextupelo]

check his first sentence to answer your last one.

 

[BAMA1979]

My point is this...(I don't follow AU like I do my team)...but I know they will be breaking in a new QB for sure...(probably an advantage for them _lol...and their best defensive player is gone. Honestly, they didn't have too much this year anyway, so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they will be better next year. I don't know who their new QB will be...but I know it's hard to come in with a new QB and dominate.

Bet most of you weren't thinking this with about seven seconds left in LSU's game against Auburn this year.

 

[Fishhead]

Bet most of you weren't thinking this with about seven seconds left in LSU's game against Auburn this year.

Yes I was...I didn't think it should've come to that. But I guarantee you that I didn't think we'd lose...even with 7 seconds left in the game.

Like I said, I have full confidence that our offense will be better next year...and I don't think it'll come down to that next year.

Someone mentioned that AU's offense is pretty easy to adjust to for the incoming players...assuming that I thought LSU's offense will also be easy to adjust to. I don't think we have an easy offense to adjust to...I just know that all the offensive skill players we have for next year don't HAVE to adjust to it...they've all played significantly THIS year in that system. IMHO, THIS year was the adjustment period for our offense. New QB, new OC, new system. Next year will just be an improvement...even with a "new" QB. Perrilloux got plenty of reps this season, and every snap in the SECCG...and frankly is better in LSU's current system than Flynn was.

Our 'D' is the question mark next season...especially with a new DC.

 

[BAMA1979]

I hope LSU beats Auburn next year, but LSU hasn't won there since 1998. I'm not saying LSU won't win that game, but it won't be easy no matter who the Auburn quarterback is.

 

[lsutiga]

Bet most of you weren't thinking this with about seven seconds left in LSU's game against Auburn this year.

He had a very good game against us, I was worried- FH drinks a lot. lol

 

[2003TIDE]

= New QB, new OC, new system. Next year will just be an improvement...even with a "new" QB. Perrilloux got plenty of reps this season, and every snap in the SECCG...and frankly is better in LSU's current system than Flynn was.

I agree that Perrilloux has a better upside at QB. LSU's just needs to hope that he has learned his lesson and can stay out of trouble off the field......

 

[tusky1]

1. How many players of the starting 22 were Coach Saban's recruits?

2. How many of the starting 22 will not be back next season?

RTR,

CrimsonSnake

I would not worry about LSU. They won despite Les. Talent > Coaching on LSU. LSU plays like thier coach, undiscipline and schizophrenic. Their coach is goofy and it translates directly to the field. God help them after this talent they have cycles out.

 

[CornBiscuit]

I would not worry about LSU. They won despite Les. Talent > Coaching on LSU. LSU plays like thier coach, undiscipline and schizophrenic. Their coach is goofy and it translates directly to the field. God help them after this talent they have cycles out.

I thoroughly enjoy Lester starting out every sentence with "Yi yuuhhh...yiii..." (followed with some Yankee rant) He is a better coach then most give him credit for. He is not a better speaker than people give him credit for.