2013 DT / DE Dee Liner De-Commits and Eliminates Auburn

[dWarriors88]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Any news on Dee Liner?

 

[BamaMoon]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

My Aubie friend, who's as big of a homer as you'll find, admitted that Liner's rap sheet is troubling to say the least. Some of them are seeing these trends.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Any news on Dee Liner?

The only substantive news on Liner is that he has gotten in some trouble with his high school program. Other than that, there is nothing of note. He is still committed to Auburn, and while he will probably take some official visits, I have seen nothing to indicate that he will renege on them down the stretch.

 

[RTR91]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

This sort of reminds me of Zeke Pike. Kid gets in trouble and all signs point to a troublemaker for the school he chooses. Scarbinksy wrote that Auburn should have let Pike go during the recruitment when he began having problems. They should probably do the same with Liner. We saw how Zeke Pike did at Auburn...

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

This sort of reminds me of Zeke Pike. Kid gets in trouble and all signs point to a troublemaker for the school he chooses. Scarbinksy wrote that Auburn should have let Pike go during the recruitment when he began having problems. They should probably do the same with Liner. We saw how Zeke Pike did at Auburn...

There's a couple of differences in this case. 1. Liner can actually play. 2. He's at the top of every instate list. As a result, he'd have to level Muscle Shoals and half of Florence before Auburn throws away this kind of recruiting coup over CNS.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

This sort of reminds me of Zeke Pike. Kid gets in trouble and all signs point to a troublemaker for the school he chooses. Scarbinksy wrote that Auburn should have let Pike go during the recruitment when he began having problems. They should probably do the same with Liner. We saw how Zeke Pike did at Auburn...

Well, if you have already made the down-payment........

Plus they could use him for the Final Recruiting Rankings boost. :smile:

 

[TideorDie87]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

The only substantive news on Liner is that he has gotten in some trouble with his high school program. Other than that, there is nothing of note. He is still committed to Auburn, and while he will probably take some official visits, I have seen nothing to indicate that he will renege on them down the stretch.

Did you mean thats all the trouble he has been in?

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Did you mean thats all the trouble he has been in?

That is all I am aware of. Perhaps there is more out there, but if so it's news to me at this point.

And as for the Pike comparisons, I don't see that. Liner is far more talented than Pike was, and from what we know so far doesn't have half the off-field issues. Pike was just an absolute rumbling trainwreck down the stretch. Truth be told, had Auburn not had such a black hole at quarterback, they would have probably dumped him and never let him sign.

 

[bamabelle1991]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

I thought Dee Liner had gotten arrested twice this summer? Am I thinking of another Auburn recruit?

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

I thought Dee Liner had gotten arrested twice this summer? Am I thinking of another Auburn recruit?

Yes, and ... yes?

Liner was arrested earlier this summer on a felony B&E count that was quickly reduced to misdemeanor criminal trespassing. He also had a separate incident earlier this summer where he was charged with obstruction of governmental conduct, though I'm not sure he was ever actually arrested on those charges. Both were generally petty, stupid deals, but obviously it doesn't put you in a good light.

Actually, I think he was supposed to be in Court today on both of the charges. He'll probably plead to a couple of misdemeanors, get youthful offender and a little probation. Largely a slap on the wrist, I would expect.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Relevant to the thread, Birmingham News article from this morning:

Dee Liner is the best lineman in Alabama this year. He's committed to Auburn and sought after by every school in the country.

But Liner is currently not practicing football. He walked off the practice field last Thursday and had yet to rejoin his team as of Wednesday's practice.

That's the first of many reasons why Auburn should rescind its scholarship offer and wish him the best.

You'll make ice cubes on the face of the sun before that ever happens, but the fact that it could even be reasonably argued at this point ought to tell you all you need to know.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Yes, and ... yes?

Liner was arrested earlier this summer on a felony B&E count that was quickly reduced to misdemeanor criminal trespassing. He also had a separate incident earlier this summer where he was charged with obstruction of governmental conduct, though I'm not sure he was ever actually arrested on those charges. Both were generally petty, stupid deals, but obviously it doesn't put you in a good light.

Actually, I think he was supposed to be in Court today on both of the charges. He'll probably plead to a couple of misdemeanors, get youthful offender and a little probation. Largely a slap on the wrist, I would expect.

IIRC, he came upon a LEO who had pulled his mom over for a traffic stop. He proceeded to scream at and curse the officer and threw things at the LEO, I have no idea what. Disposition of the case will be interesting...

 

[Crimson1967]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Maybe that's why the barn has gotten kids to visit without parents. An adult would probably be more attentive to work ethic, etc. I've noticed the barn gets quick commitments from kids before they go home and "think" on it or discuss it with their parents/ coaches. From comments I've read in articles, it seems clear that CNS gets more compliments from coaches/parents, but Chizik gets more postive ones from the 17-18 y.o. kids (not saying players dog CNS, but there is the occasional comment, like we're too business oriented).

A few years ago, I was eating lunch with some co-workers. Pre-season workouts were going on and the headline in the sports page said Alabama was having three a day practices that week. Saban was here, I think it was 2009, could have been 2008.

Anyway, a barner held up the paper and showed it to another barner and said if he was Chizik, he'd send that headline to every recruit in the country.

I guess he wanted guys who'd be scared off by a tough practice, not sure why he wanted that.

 

[mittman]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

IIRC, he came upon a LEO who had pulled his mom over for a traffic stop. He proceeded to scream at and curse the officer and threw things at the LEO, I have no idea what. Disposition of the case will be interesting...

You remember correctly. He had a bad couple of weeks. I do not know him personally, but there appears to be a lot of anger management issues.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

IIRC, he came upon a LEO who had pulled his mom over for a traffic stop. He proceeded to scream at and curse the officer and threw things at the LEO, I have no idea what. Disposition of the case will be interesting...

That was basically it as best I can recall. I am sure they and their attorney will dispute all of those facts, but good luck legitimately challenging what an officer says, especially when you have independent credibility issues of your own.

 

[jps1983]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

That was basically it as best I can recall. I am sure they and their attorney will dispute all of those facts, but good luck legitimately challenging what an officer says, especially when you have independent credibility issues of your own.

Exactly. That's a losing case, unless the jury is made of barn fans.

 

[Rasputin]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...ns-Challenge-Liner-s-prep-future-may-come-end

"There’s been a lot of buzz surrounding Muscle Shoals defensive star Dee Liner.
With a 6-foot-3, 270-pound frame, you would think that all the chatter about the five-star Auburn commitment would be oozing with positivity. Unfortunately, it hasn’t of late."

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Let me get this straight, the summer arrests were because he "hanging around the wrong crowds," even though for one of the arrests the only other people present were his mother and a cop?

And then "all that has changed, I am a better person now," but the next day he walks off the practice field and gets suspended by his high school team?

He's a talented kid, but I'd rather take someone like Walker and move on, which I think we have. If he holds true, I imagine he fits right in at Auburn.

 

[rammerjammer69]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

I agree 100%. When we are recruiting at such a high level year after year, why would we want to take a chance on a kid like Liner? Sure it's possible he does a 180 and turns his life around, but recruiting is a lot more than just evaluating talent. Unless he has a complete turnaround in maturity and attitude, I doubt Liner would ever play a meaningful down here. Lets assume that Liner is a better DL than any we currently have - which I don't believe is true - but lets say he is for argument's sake. Even if it were the case, Saban still wouldn't play him unless he conformed to our standards of behavior, practice, etc. The reason we have been so successful is because the vast majority of our players buy in to the process. If you bring in a "star" player who doesn't buy in, then it hurts the cohesiveness of the team as a whole at every position.

We won't know if Liner pans out for a couple years. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if we have multiple freshmen and r/s freshmen DL right now who end up having better careers than Liner - not necessarily because they are as talented, but because guys in our program will get coached up and developed as well as anywhere in the country.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Re: 2013 DT / DE Dee Liner Updates (Auburn Commit)

Let me get this straight, the summer arrests were because he "hanging around the wrong crowds," even though for one of the arrests the only other people present were his mother and a cop?

And then "all that has changed, I am a better person now," but the next day he walks off the practice field and gets suspended by his high school team?

He's a talented kid, but I'd rather take someone like Walker and move on, which I think we have. If he holds true, I imagine he fits right in at Auburn.

If his mother and Coach Basden think that the right crowd is the au football teaam, they are in for a rude awakening........:rolleye2: