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2016 Season QB Thread

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From what I've been told, Hurts continues to improve and make strides to being the guy. I also know we are still over two full weeks away from the first game and things can easily change. Therefore, I would say Bateman starts solely based on seniority and time in the system.

If that happens, I see the QB rotation being very similar to the 2014 season. Starter in week one goes as long as needed with the next guy getting reps when the game is control (Jake didn't get many - if any - meaningful snaps against WVU). The top guys split action during week two to allow both to get reps. The decision needs to be pretty clear for week three against Ole Miss, though.

I would not be against Hurts being the number two guy in week one but having a few plays in the normal offense. Each week he can add to his "playbook," which is really just the team playbook that continues to expand as the season goes and he improves, and he eventually becomes the starter.
 
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The logical side of me can't imagine a true freshman QB starting for a team who truly has national championship aspirations. Honestly, outside of Michael Vick, I can't think of a RS freshman QB that played for a national title. Therefore, my gut tells me that Bateman and Barnett will get real time auditions in the first couple of weeks and then a starter is determined by the Ole Miss game.
 
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Power Eye said:
The logical side of me can't imagine a true freshman QB starting for a team who truly has national championship aspirations. Honestly, outside of Michael Vick, I can't think of a RS freshman QB that played for a national title. Therefore, my gut tells me that Bateman and Barnett will get real time auditions in the first couple of weeks and then a starter is determined by the Ole Miss game.
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Jamelle Holieway led the '85 Sooners to a National Championship as a True Freshman after Troy Aikmen went down. That's the only remotely close example I can think of really.
 
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Power Eye said:
The logical side of me can't imagine a true freshman QB starting for a team who truly has national championship aspirations. Honestly, outside of Michael Vick, I can't think of a RS freshman QB that played for a national title. Therefore, my gut tells me that Bateman and Barnett will get real time auditions in the first couple of weeks and then a starter is determined by the Ole Miss game.
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Jameis Winston won the national title as a RS Freshman.
 
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Couple of random, maybe contradictory thoughts, or three or four:;)

1. I hope that each of the three viable candidates for the job will stay focused on what they are doing. I know there's talk of "if Hurts wins the job then Barnett will be gone" but all it takes is one twisted ankle, tweaked knee or some major injury and #2 becomes #1. No reason for any of these three to think about next year right now.

2. It's hard to imagine a true freshman starting and playing the majority of snaps at Bama in a legitimate NC type season, but since we've been recruiting at such a high level at qb the last few cycles, it's just a matter of time until one of these guys comes in and he's just that much better than everybody else. Could it be this year with Hurts??? I'm still doubtful a true freshman gets the majority of snaps this year, but I do think this may be the year the veteran (Bateman) gets passed by a young guy. FWIW, I like the sound of Barnett and Hurts getting playing time the first couple of games.

3. But having said that (Hurts and Barnett getting PT in first two games) I cringe at the idea of going into the OM game and not having an idea about who might be the solidified starter.

4. Whatever happens....I just really hope that one of these guys wins the job and the team and we are off and running to a great year!!!
 
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"3. But having said that (Hurts and Barnett getting PT in first two games) I cringe at the idea of going into the OM game and not having an idea about who might be the solidified starter. "

Yep; that cost us last year. We need to take Ole Miss down; big time
 
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What my hope is, is for Barnett to win the job with Hurts being his "backup" but being able to redshirt if needed.

What's going to happen? I have no earthly idea. I can't get a feel on the QB race to save my life.

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I'll tell y'all something else: It's refreshing to hear about these guys (especially the young ones) playing up and improving.

Last two years most of what we got out of fall camp was how nobody was stepping up and playing well.

Seems this year it's right the opposite.
 
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Part of me wants to just write that off as all of us wanting to be hyped for Barnett and Hurts but I do think the staff comments about the position battle is more up beat than where it was a year ago.
 
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Jamelle Holieway, Oklahoma, 1985 (Only TF to win national championship)
Dan Marino, Pittsburgh, 1979
Rick Leach, Michigan, 1975
Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State, 2008
Chad Henne, Michigan, 2004
Eric Zeier, Georgia, 1991
Peyton Manning, Tennessee, 1994
John Bond, Miss State, 1980
Cale Gundy, Oklahoma, 1990 (Brother of Mike Gundy)
Matt Barkley, USC, 2009;
Casey Clausen, Tennessee, 2000;
Chris Leak, Florida, 2003;
Matt LoVecchio, Notre Dame, 2000;
Wayne Peace, Florida, 1980;
Ron Reeves, Texas Tech, 1978;
Philip Rivers, N.C. State, 2000;
Tom Savage, Rutgers, 2009;
Art Schlichter, Ohio State, 1978;
Matthew Stafford, Georgia, 2006.

I'm sure there's more to list, but for now, if you look at the history of TF and their team, there is a somewhat history to suggest that a TF can be successful under the right situation with the right players. I think Alabama is one of the few that has almost 5 star players at every positions and is known to develop players well once they get on the campus. I have no reason to not think that we can be successful with Hurts or Barnett given their no experience on the field. We just need to remember that they most likely will be asked to manage the offense well, and not try and be a hero. This time last year, I felt nervous about our competition and wasn't sure if Coker was going to pull out and be leader and it took several games for him to do that. I don't think this year will be the case. I truly believe we'll see a starter emerging before the week of the first game and seeing us sticking with them.

For Bateman to win the job, He must be consistent with his decisions, and not throw multiple pick 6s as a result of a bad decision. He has to be confident and command the offense well.
For Barnett and Hurts, They have to show that they can make plays with their arms and feet , making sure they move the chains to keep the offense alive. Cut down on mistakes and make plays as needed.
In my opinion, Bateman is still the starter, but it's getting harder for him to hold on to that if the younger players keep playing the way they are.
 
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JustNeedMe81 said:
Jamelle Holieway, Oklahoma, 1985 (Only TF to win national championship)
Dan Marino, Pittsburgh, 1979
Rick Leach, Michigan, 1975
Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State, 2008
Chad Henne, Michigan, 2004
Eric Zeier, Georgia, 1991
Peyton Manning, Tennessee, 1994
John Bond, Miss State, 1980
Cale Gundy, Oklahoma, 1990 (Brother of Mike Gundy)
Matt Barkley, USC, 2009;
Casey Clausen, Tennessee, 2000;
Chris Leak, Florida, 2003;
Matt LoVecchio, Notre Dame, 2000;
Wayne Peace, Florida, 1980;
Ron Reeves, Texas Tech, 1978;
Philip Rivers, N.C. State, 2000;
Tom Savage, Rutgers, 2009;
Art Schlichter, Ohio State, 1978;
Matthew Stafford, Georgia, 2006.

I'm sure there's more to list, but for now, if you look at the history of TF and their team, there is a somewhat history to suggest that a TF can be successful under the right situation with the right players. I think Alabama is one of the few that has almost 5 star players at every positions and is known to develop players well once they get on the campus. I have no reason to not think that we can be successful with Hurts or Barnett given their no experience on the field. We just need to remember that they most likely will be asked to manage the offense well, and not try and be a hero. This time last year, I felt nervous about our competition and wasn't sure if Coker was going to pull out and be leader and it took several games for him to do that. I don't think this year will be the case. I truly believe we'll see a starter emerging before the week of the first game and seeing us sticking with them.

For Bateman to win the job, He must be consistent with his decisions, and not throw multiple pick 6s as a result of a bad decision. He has to be confident and command the offense well.
For Barnett and Hurts, They have to show that they can make plays with their arms and feet , making sure they move the chains to keep the offense alive. Cut down on mistakes and make plays as needed.
In my opinion, Bateman is still the starter, but it's getting harder for him to hold on to that if the younger players keep playing the way they are.
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The most recent TF to play is Rosen at UCLA last year and he is a good one (football player, not sure about person). To your point about Hurts/Barnett I think they may be showing more talent than Bateman and one of them needs show the leadership to win the team over and it very well could be their job.

While I would be a little surprised to see Hurts take the first snap against USC I would not be surprised if he takes over at some point. With Hurts at QB it would mean we would have elite "athletes" at QB, RB, WR and TE and this is a tough combination to beat.
 
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One thing I haven't really seen mentioned is the possibility for Hurts to play the USC game and still redshirt.

The really complicated part of the Hurts situation is that if he does end up starting at a true freshman (and this was one of the first things I said on the subject) there could be a mass exodus. I mean if a true freshman is the starter, that potentially locks things down for at least three years. So this could impact not just current QBs but incoming ones as well.

I'm not sure how reliable the NCAA is with redshirt waivers, but I am curious about how far Nick Saban would want to go before he decided on playing Hurts or not. Just for the sake of stability, it is probably better if it is Barnett or Bateman but if Alabama has the next great dual threat college QB (and I'm not saying they do), I'm not sure you can keep him in the bench just to not rock the boat. But, if you are not sure he's the guy, it seems to me you want to try to keep his redshirt intact.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
One thing I haven't really seen mentioned is the possibility for Hurts to play the USC game and still redshirt.

The really complicated part of the Hurts situation is that if he does end up starting at a true freshman (and this was one of the first things I said on the subject) there could be a mass exodus. I mean if a true freshman is the starter, that potentially locks things down for at least three years. So this could impact not just current QBs but incoming ones as well.

I'm not sure how reliable the NCAA is with redshirt waivers, but I am curious about how far Nick Saban would want to go before he decided on playing Hurts or not. Just for the sake of stability, it is probably better if it is Barnett or Bateman but if Alabama has the next great dual threat college QB (and I'm not saying they do), I'm not sure you can keep him in the bench just to not rock the boat. But, if you are not sure he's the guy, it seems to me you want to try to keep his redshirt intact.
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Very good point. If Hurts starts you may see all the other 3 QB's leave. That would make us very thin and young at the position in 2017.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
One thing I haven't really seen mentioned is the possibility for Hurts to play the USC game and still redshirt
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I believe that only applies in the event of an injury. If you play one play, you burn your redshirt, barring injury (even then there's several restrictions).
 
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To me it seems like Blake Barnett and Hurts have all the physical abilities to start. As Coach Saban says, somebody needs to "take the bull by the horns" or "win the team". If everyone sees Hurts as the best of the three, it should mean his teammates also notice that and thus he wins the team. I personally hope Barnett is the guy and we can redshirt Hurts.
 
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colbysullivan said:
I believe that only applies in the event of an injury. If you play one play, you burn your redshirt, barring injury (even then there's several restrictions).
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Darius Hanks sat out two games in 2011 for playing a game in 2007 and then applying for a redshirt.

www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/07/darius_hanks_to_sit_two_games.html

In re transfers: I don't expect Nick Saban to make the decision on the starter based on players possibly transferring.


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Saban has pretty much coached in "win now" mode since the moment he arrived on campus. I don't think QB has been an exception to that rule so much as the opportunity for it to happen hasn't occurred to date. We've mostly had "program" guys at QB. The kind of QB you stash away for a few years and see how they development. Hurts is one of the few we've signed who showed up pretty much ready physically and clearly he has the mental aptitude to be quick learner or he wouldn't even be a legitimate competitor at this juncture.

If the staff thinks he can handle the keys to the car then he'll be the starter and it won't have anything to do with how many varsity letters he's got.
 
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gtowntide said:
To me it seems like Blake Barnett and Hurts have all the physical abilities to start. As Coach Saban says, somebody needs to "take the bull by the horns" or "win the team". If everyone sees Hurts as the best of the three, it should mean his teammates also notice that and thus he wins the team. I personally hope Barnett is the guy and we can redshirt Hurts.
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Hurts may not want to spend three years behind Barnett.
 
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