Game Thread: 2021 Braves season (Atl in 1st, PHI 1 GB, NYM 2.5 GB) (44 games remaining)
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Imagine if they were doing an interview about Tua while he was throwing the game winner.
It was damn confusing. I could not tell if they were replaying an old homer or if that was his current at bat. It wasn't until I saw the score change that I saw that it was a live homerun.
Yeah i really took me looking at my fantasy baseball matchup to see that we scored. I get doing these interviews at the 7th inning or if you cut the commercial break short, but during the at bat is just plain stupid.
A-Rod was a MUCH BETTER all-around baseball player than Jeter was. Hell, Jeter - like pretty much almost ALL Yankees in the post-1970s era - are vastly overrated.
ARod was the better player. However, if you're telling me, "You have to take one of these two guys to build your team around," I take Jeter, because he was a team first player, a motivator, a hustling ballplayer, and not a malignant narcissist who was essentially the Donald Trump of MLB.
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You have to understand one thing - Yankees fans who argue online are about one molecule below navel lint. There ARE some intelligent Yankees fans, and here's how you can tell them.
They don't believe Phil Rizzuto, Don Mattingly, or Thurman Munson or Bernie Williams belong in the Hall of Fame for one simple reason: because they don't. ANY Yankee fan who says those guys ought to be in, they are the Ole Miss fans of MLB.
Make no mistake - all of those guys were GOOD ballplayers. But NONE of them should ever be in the Hall without buying a ticket which, of course, is impossible for Munson but still. Rizzuto probably got into the Hall of Fame because of some bullying by the Yankees and Der Fuhrer Steinbrenner. He was a good ballplayer who had no business being voted into the Hall of Fame AT ALL. (I lived through that 15-year crusade, and I get the idea that the Hall basically said, "Ok he's in, leave us the hell alone will ya?").
Jeter IS a HOF player without question. He's not a better player than A-Rod, but I understand if the line is drawn on steroids that A-Rod isn't going and I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS as long as the position is "they're all in/they're all out." Once you start getting into "well Bonds and Clemens," you lose me - since you have no idea when they started using and they're not telling.
They like to pretend Thurman Munson - who tragically died in a plane crash in August 1979 - was a HOF player. They PRETEND he was up there with Johnny Bench. These people need a rubber room and a toy train. They go with "well if he hadn't died," but they conveniently ignore that he was already reducing playing time due to back and knee injuries, which are what end the careers of catchers. In his last four games before the plane crash, Munson played first base three times and DH the other.
Again - I don't want to sound like I'm picking on these guys. They were GOOD to VERY GOOD baseball players at various times. They just weren't HOF material.
Rant over.
Braves up 5-1, just got home from a six-mile walk.
Let's do a little game here real quick to prove my point.
Which of these players should go into the Hall of Fame? A? B? Both? Or neither
They both play right field.
Player A: .260 BA, 275 HRs, 850 RBIs, .822 OPS, 38.3 WAR, led league twice in RBIS, once in slugging, won 2 MVPs
Player B: .255 BA, 256 HRs, 796 RBIs, .829 OPS, 34.1 WAR, lead league in OPS and runs scored and Rookie of the Year
Key point: there are MORE RIGHT FIELDERS in the Hall than any position other than (obviously) pitcher.
Now remember....right field Hall of Famers are guys like Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Reggie Jackson, Tony Gwynn. If you want to go away from the superstars, maybe Al Kaline or Chuck Klein or Larry Walker.
Do either of these guys look like HOFers to you???
Guys with about a .258 Batting average, 250-275 career homers. Are those HOF to you?
My answer to both guys is "Hell no!"
(After I get your answer, I'll tell you who these guys are and why this is important to my point).
Which of these players should go into the Hall of Fame? A? B? Both? Or neither
They both play right field.
Player A: .260 BA, 275 HRs, 850 RBIs, .822 OPS, 38.3 WAR, led league twice in RBIS, once in slugging, won 2 MVPs
Player B: .255 BA, 256 HRs, 796 RBIs, .829 OPS, 34.1 WAR, lead league in OPS and runs scored and Rookie of the Year
Key point: there are MORE RIGHT FIELDERS in the Hall than any position other than (obviously) pitcher.
Now remember....right field Hall of Famers are guys like Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Reggie Jackson, Tony Gwynn. If you want to go away from the superstars, maybe Al Kaline or Chuck Klein or Larry Walker.
Do either of these guys look like HOFers to you???
Guys with about a .258 Batting average, 250-275 career homers. Are those HOF to you?
My answer to both guys is "Hell no!"
(After I get your answer, I'll tell you who these guys are and why this is important to my point).
Why do I feel that the ballpark and league factor in this? Or is one a Yankee or Sox?
I dont know... I would probably say no to both.
Neither do. I am guessing one might already be or are consistently talked about "belonging"
@selmaborntidefan have we ever won a silver slugger at pitcher? Because we might have one this year.
You're correct.
Player A is Roger Maris.
Player B is Bob Allison.
Now...don't these guys have VERY SIMILAR stats (yes, they do). And Maris played for a bunch of pennant winners in New York and St Louis while Allison played in Minnesota, and they did win 3 pennants which for them was pretty good.
Maris's vote totals:
78, 70, 87, 82, 83, 127, 111, 94, 69, 69, 107, 128, 177*, 176, 184
Allison's vote totals:
0 and dropped from the ballot.
Maris got as many votes as he did because "wow, he hit 61 home runs!"
His vote totals jumped (asterisk) when he died in December 1985 as the balloting was going on. If you check out similarity scores, you find the most similar player to Maris is Allison. One got about 1/2 the Hall of Fame needed votes, the other never got a single one.
And you can check the wiki page out and Yankee noobs were screaming hysterical about ROGER MARIS as a Hall of Fame ballplayer. Why? Because he was a Yankee and he hit 61 home runs!!!
Look, I'll admit Maris was PROBABLY a little bit better; the Twins moved Allison to first because Tony Oliva was better in right field. Maris did win a Gold Glove.
But there's more Yankee outrage for ya.
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