2022 elections thread

[jthomas666]

That will not work. You don't understand how the process works, obviously.

Obviously.

If you are going to say she is obstructing the Biden agenda then that means you are pushing a candidate further to the left than her, and that isn't how the state of AZ works. Forget Biden and just focus on winning AZ. That's the goal. Understand the voters there. That may mean you get someone that won't vote with you 10-15 percent of the time, but the option is they won't vote with you at all. Shrink your thoughts down to what works in a specific place like AZ. Kelly and Sinema run as moderates much like McCain did for years as the maverick Republican. Go ahead and say you will do everything Biden wants and see how that goes with the general election.

So you'd rather smile, nod your head, and re-nominate a massive thorn in your side because (according to you) it is simply impossible to find a better candidate.

BTW, Mark Kelly has backed filibuster reform, and has criticized Sinema for her obstructionism. That tends to undercut your position.

There are just truths that you can call generalities but they just apply. You may not like them, but that just means you aren't living in the real world.

I do hope you don't use this same argumentative approach in the real world.

The most successful politicians are pragmatic. Clinton is a great example of this. He shifted gears when he got killed in the mid terms and had a successful 2 administrations. The party that embraces the pragmatic realities of what the voters want wins. 2020 and 2022 show the Dems did this better while too many Republican candidates were linked to election denial as they should have been because that's what they did. The public didn't want it, and they did fine in the primary and lost the general.

Manchin and Sinema are a pain in the ass, and Biden would have accomplished much more had they not been so intractable. Pragmatically, there's no way a different Democrat will win Manchin's seat.

But that doesn't mean that a different Democrat couldn't win Sinema's seat.

 

[AWRTR]

Obviously.

So you'd rather smile, nod your head, and re-nominate a massive thorn in your side because (according to you) it is simply impossible to find a better candidate.

BTW, Mark Kelly has backed filibuster reform, and has criticized Sinema for her obstructionism. That tends to undercut your position.

I do hope you don't use this same argumentative approach in the real world.

Manchin and Sinema are a pain in the ass, and Biden would have accomplished much more had they not been so intractable. Pragmatically, there's no way a different Democrat will win Manchin's seat.

But that doesn't mean that a different Democrat couldn't win Sinema's seat.

I'd rather have a vote that will be with me 90% of the time than one that I won't have at all.

Kelly runs and presents himself as a moderate which he isn't really, and he still almost lost to an election-denying wild man. If you want to lose the election go your route and let it happen.

I use that "argumentative approach" from time to time. Depending on who I'm talking to.

You understand the approach with Manchin, but you don't see AZ in the same way. It's not as severe as WV, but they like to view themselves as independent-minded thinkers. You might get someone through the primary and if the Republicans nominate a McCain or Sinema style candidate you will get your butt handed to you. A different Democrat could win her seat, but they will have to present themselves as a moderate and then go against how they presented themselves.

Also, do away with the filibuster at your own peril. It sounds good when you have the majority and not so good when it goes the other way. Barrett wouldn't be on the court right now if the Democrats hadn't blown up the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees. It has now allowed more radical justices to get through the confirmation that wouldn't have gotten through otherwise. It has led to a more radical court that can swing from left to right more severely when it would be better to nominate more moderate judges that could get a broader yes vote from the Senate. You can't govern thinking you will always win because you won't.

 

[92tide]

the democrats' above expectations results after not heeding the concern about them being too woke seems to have raised some concerns

 

[92tide]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593321991657996288

Speaker Pelosi just said on the House floor, “I have enjoyed working with 3 presidents.” She served as Speaker under 4 presidents.

Perfect.

 

[seebell]

I wonder if Fetterman will wear shorts and a hoodie in the Halls of Congress?

 

[92tide]

I wonder if Fetterman will wear shorts and a hoodie in the Halls of Congress?

iirc, they have a fairly strict dress code

 

[seebell]

iirc, they have a fairly strict dress code

This is about the only relevant article I could find.


Former Chief of Staff/Legislative Director, et. al. at U.S. House of Representatives (1977–2019)1y
Neither house of Congress has a “dress code” in the sense that Members or staff have to dress a certain way while at work. Both houses have certain dress standards enforced by their presiding officers and those who report to them that only apply to those entering the floor area of either body, or the rooms immediately adjacent to it. In the House, for example, male Members and staffers are expected to wear a coat and tie while on the floor. If they don’t have a tie with them, a spare tie is offered.
Individual Members set their own policies for themselves and their own staffs for clothing they consider appropriate for working in their offices.

 

[TexasBama]

I wonder if Fetterman will wear shorts and a hoodie in the Halls of Congress?

This

 

[jthomas666]

Also, do away with the filibuster at your own peril. It sounds good when you have the majority and not so good when it goes the other way. Barrett wouldn't be on the court right now if the Democrats hadn't blown up the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees. It has now allowed more radical justices to get through the confirmation that wouldn't have gotten through otherwise. It has led to a more radical court that can swing from left to right more severely when it would be better to nominate more moderate judges that could get a broader yes vote from the Senate. You can't govern thinking you will always win because you won't.

Please. McConnell may bluster about the sanctity of the filibuster when it's to his advantage, but if you don't think that he'd get rid of it in a heartbeat if it benefited him, then you're the one not living in the real world.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Please. McConnell may bluster about the sanctity of the filibuster when it's to his advantage, but if you don't think that he'd get rid of it in a heartbeat if it benefited him, then you're the one not living in the real world.

The point is the filibuster favors those not in power. Relinquishing that power doesn't just mean your bills are easier to pass, but that opposition bills are also easier to pass.

Wanna give that up based on the risk that your party's ideals will win out in the long run?

Good luck... there's a reason it's still in place...

 

[AWRTR]

Please. McConnell may bluster about the sanctity of the filibuster when it's to his advantage, but if you don't think that he'd get rid of it in a heartbeat if it benefited him, then you're the one not living in the real world.

You are absolutely correct. Each party yells about what the other is doing and then does the exact same thing when they have control of either house of Congress. McConnell is a slimy turtle head looking goon. I do live in the real world and see these people for who they are. McConnell only cares about McConnell.

 

[Go Bama]

The point is the filibuster favors those not in power. Relinquishing that power doesn't just mean your bills are easier to pass, but that opposition bills are also easier to pass.

Wanna give that up based on the risk that your party's ideals will win out in the long run?

Good luck... there's a reason it's still in place...

I was under the impression that rather than doing away with the filibuster the goal was to revert to how the filibuster used to work, where you have to take the floor, start talking, and keep talking, a la Mr. Smith Goes To Washington.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I was under the impression that rather than doing away with the filibuster the goal was to revert to how the filibuster used to work, where you have to take the floor, start talking, and keep talking, a la Mr. Smith Goes To Washington.

That's absolutely as it should be.

That is was changed in the first place shows how stupid many politicians are.

 

[2003TIDE]

So flying out of town Sunday for a week. My only chance to vote early would be on Sat, but GA GOP is going to court to stop Sat voting. Sigh

 

[92tide]

So flying out of town Sunday for a week. My only chance to vote early would be on Sat, but GA GOP is going to court to stop Sat voting. Sigh

of course they are. they have been trying to limit voting for a long time. my wife and i have plans to vote saturday am.

can't remember what county you are in, but fulton is planning to have voting saturday, and will have early voting beginning 7am sunday. i think several of the metro counties are similar, and i think some (dekalb and maybe others) are offering early voting tomorrow.

Early Voting Locations

Fulton County Early Voting Locations for Upcoming Election

www.fultoncountyga.gov

EARLY VOTING HOURS:
Saturday, November 26 to Friday, December 2, 2022
Voting Hours: 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

 

[2003TIDE]

I’m in Fulton, but GOP jokers are petitioning GA Supreme Court as we speak to stop all voting this Saturday.

 

[92tide]

I’m in Fulton, but GOP jokers are petitioning GA Supreme Court as we speak to stop all voting this Saturday.

fulton has early voting sunday too.

i don't know if these idiots will prevail or not. fwiw, the sos office already announced that the state is accepting the appellate court's ruling. based on their snark ass reply, they know they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar

 

[92tide]

I’m in Fulton, but GOP jokers are petitioning GA Supreme Court as we speak to stop all voting this Saturday.

you probably already know this, but the deadline to request an absentee ballot isn't until nov. 28 if you need it.

 

[2003TIDE]

fulton has early voting sunday too.

i don't know if these idiots will prevail or not. fwiw, the sos office already announced that the state is accepting the appellate court's ruling. based on their snark ass reply, they know they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar

Don’t really have time for absentee. About to hit the road for whirlwind Thanksgiving road trip to see family in Alabama. Will drive back Sat, pack, then fly to Vegas early Sun morning. I won’t land until after polls close on Friday 12/2. So at this point it is Sat or bust for early voting(fingers crossed.). Otherwise I’ll be standing in line on actual voting day I guess.

 

[92tide]

Don’t really have time for absentee. About to hit the road for whirlwind Thanksgiving road trip to see family in Alabama. Will drive back Sat, pack, then fly to Vegas early Sun morning. I won’t land until after polls close on Friday 12/2. So at this point it is Sat or bust for early voting(fingers crossed.). Otherwise I’ll be standing in line on actual voting day I guess.

hopefully you will have time to watch what used to be the iron bowl