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2024 Presidential Election VIII

AWRTR said:
He ran up on Covid. The whole world blew up. Look at it before Covid hit. For all his crap his metrics in that area are pretty good.
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And he blew the response. The only thing he got right was operation warp speed.

ETA: There's this revisionist history when it comes to Trump that the economy was great under him and that he didn't spend bookoodles of money and, well, he only did it and the bad only happened because of COVID. He gets graded on a huge curve, and the fact that he almost completely botched the response is glossed over.

Even the one thing he did get right, he undermined by pushing back against scientists and medical professionals, creating an atmosphere where many of his supporters turned down the vaccine he helped jump start. I wouldn't doubt part of the reason his support has waned is because enough of his supporters died as a result of it. It doesn't take losing very many when the margins are close.

But then after grading Trump on a curve, the very same people don't give Biden/Harris the same grace - on inflation for instance. They don't give Biden credit for overseeing the recovery from COVID or for the good economy we have. They say the same measures that showed Trump had a good economy before COVID mean nothing now and can't be relied on. It truly is a double standard. And then they claim everyone else does the very thing they are doing.

Just like JD Vance in drag, they are hypocrites. The problem isn't so much dressing in drag or grading on a curve (ignoring the botched response still is a problem regardless). The problem is the double standard. And they do the same with Trump's declining cognitive state and have long done so for his mentally ill state of being.
 
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This is going to be the last that I say on it because I have a lot to do this weekend to get ready for the week. It’s also really not a huge issue for me because I’m voting for Kamala anyways.

I think you have to go back to the origin of the complaints over it and not just start over the last few weeks when it reemerged. He started to getting attacked over it because he kept presenting himself as a retired CSM while he was running first after his retirement when a few men in his unit started to attack him for it. To include the CSM who replaced him on the deployment. Yes he was a “conditional” CSM but he was demoted because he didn’t finish SM school and serve the additional 2 years required to retire at that rank. To some one that didn’t serve I get that sounds like a nothing burger. But we are really talking about taking someone’s line number who would have fulfilled that contract, not fulfilling that contract, and then trying to claim the benefits of that rank to further your financial and political career.

I don’t think how Vance is pushing it as “stolen valor” is correct. Waltz did serve and he got out in a reasonable time frame to claim retirement. However, claiming that he is a “retired CSM” is about the equivalent of a BUDS recruit who survived Hell Week claiming he is a Navy SEAL. It’s someone that has done most of the hard work to achieve a coveted title and distinction but hasn’t fully achieved it yet is claiming the benefits of the distinction.

Personally I see Waltz more like Dubya with regards to military service. There are questions about their willingness to actually fight if called upon, but there is no question that they served honorably and got out the same.
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This clears things up for me. Also agree with TW it is a tempest in a teapot.

As someone who did not serve, the time Walz did put in is appreciated. There was no need for exaggeration.
 
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Go Bama said:
This clears things up for me. Also agree with TW it is a tempest in a teapot.

As someone who did not serve, the time Walz did put in is appreciated. There was no need for exaggeration.
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I agree with both of you that this issue isn’t going to move the election needle one way or the other.
 
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823012025187897646

I was sitting in a local DFL office in Tim Walz’s old congressional district when a young couple walked in looking for Harris-Walz signs Elle and Elysse turned out to be former Tim Walz students and members of the gay-straight alliance he helped form They married in 2011.

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we have a neighbor who is a teacher and she told me yesterday that a co-worker of her's was one of walz' students who was also in the gay/straight alliance he helped form
 
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FBI probing alleged Iran hack attempts targeting Trump, Biden camps

The FBI is investigating suspected hacking attempts by Iran targeting both a Trump associate and advisers to the Biden-Harris campaign, according to people familiar with the matter, as the agency formally acknowledged Monday it has opened a high-stakes national security investigation months before Election Day.
 
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And he blew the response. The only thing he got right was operation warp speed.

ETA: There's this revisionist history when it comes to Trump that the economy was great under him and that he didn't spend bookoodles of money and, well, he only did it and the bad only happened because of COVID. He gets graded on a huge curve, and the fact that he almost completely botched the response is glossed over.

Even the one thing he did get right, he undermined by pushing back against scientists and medical professionals, creating an atmosphere where many of his supporters turned down the vaccine he helped jump start. I wouldn't doubt part of the reason his support has waned is because enough of his supporters died as a result of it. It doesn't take losing very many when the margins are close.

But then after grading Trump on a curve, the very same people don't give Biden/Harris the same grace - on inflation for instance. They don't give Biden credit for overseeing the recovery from COVID or for the good economy we have. They say the same measures that showed Trump had a good economy before COVID mean nothing now and can't be relied on. It truly is a double standard. And then they claim everyone else does the very thing they are doing.

Just like JD Vance in drag, they are hypocrites. The problem isn't so much dressing in drag or grading on a curve (ignoring the botched response still is a problem regardless). The problem is the double standard. And they do the same with Trump's declining cognitive state and have long done so for his mentally ill state of being.
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I'm repeating myself from previous posts, but the US economy the in the President's first year even up to two years or so is mostly from decisions from the previous administration/congress. It's really years 3 and 4 that show you what the new President's economy is going to be like. There's plenty of macroeconomic things that are completely out of the President's control, but the economy is their's to steer.

So, we're seeing the Biden economy right now, and we saw the Trump economy in years 3 and 4 of his presidency. I realize Trump had Covid to deal/not deal with. But you have to play the economic cards you're dealt. Either you play them well, or you play them poorly.

I felt at the time, and I still feel now that Trump waited far too long to do anything about Covid Quarantining everyone in contact with great tracing would have helped tremendously, and could have saved our economy from a full shutdown. Then he finally had to hit the panic button and largely shut the country down, then he over-corrected and tried to walk back his vaccine mandates pretending Covid was no big deal etc. That's his chaos management style, and I'm not impressed. All this with Tax cuts that we cannot afford, and mostly help the wealthiest, even when he said he would not help himself or the wealthy. https://www.cbpp.org/research/feder...d-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver
 
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