A comparative look at Shula and Chizik

CrimsonCrusade

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That 2003 team had heart. Despite being riddled with probation, having been abandoned by Coach Fraudchione, and the Mike Price debacle, they took countless games into overtime against vastly superior opponents. That was only my second season watching the Tide, and I can honestly say that was the genesis of my undying devotion to this team. Anyone who suffered through all the heartbreak of that season has earned their stripes in my eyes. Let's take a look at some of the highlights here:

Week 2 vs #1 Oklahoma: L 13-20 (Oklahoma would eventually lose to LSU in the National Title)
Week 5 vs #9 Arkansas: L 31-34 2OT
Week 9 vs #22 Tennessee: L 43-51 5OT (4th and 19 game)
Week 12 at Auburn: L 23-28

The difference between Alabama, Auburn, and Tennessee is that when Bama was down, they still had the pride to be competitive, no matter the opponent. Auburn and UT get steamrolled each week. :BigA:
 

bama61

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I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but to me if you want to compare Chizik, DuBose, Whitworth, and Shula to one another, it's pretty much akin to arguing virtue among whores. All are failed coaches, all except Chizik were fired, and he'll be fired shortly. Just my opinion.
 

Alasippi

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I agree, but I think that Dumbose is a more appropriate comparator to Cheez. Especially Dumbose's last season. Both are likely to finish up with only 3 wins. But even Dumbose in his last year managed to get some SEC wins.
I think Dubose may have actually been worse than cheese nip. How in the world do you win an SEC title, have 17 or 18 starters back, start the season ranked third nationally and end up winning three games??? That's still almost incomprehensible to me.
 

selmaborntidefan

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I think Dubose may have actually been worse than cheese nip. How in the world do you win an SEC title, have 17 or 18 starters back, start the season ranked third nationally and end up winning three games??? That's still almost incomprehensible to me.
I can answer that one - just lose 73% of the offense (Shaun) and your best lineman (Samuels).
 
I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but to me if you want to compare Chizik, DuBose, Whitworth, and Shula to one another, it's pretty much akin to arguing virtue among whores. All are failed coaches, all except Chizik were fired, and he'll be fired shortly. Just my opinion.
I don't think it is appropriate to compare Bama coaches against Chizik. Compare Chizik to Doug Barfield. Barfield was a better coach, even though he never won a National Championship, because he fielded teams that didn't quit.
 

Tides_of_Change

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Below is a detailed breakdown I posted on this exact topic last week before it was deleted (not moved to the Auburn forum where I could at least respond to replies, deleted) because there were apparently too many Auburn-oriented posts on here, even though Auburn in and of itself wasn't the focus. No disrespect to your post, but I have absolutely no idea how it got to stick around...



"A Furled, Alpha Brow vs. A Sheepish, Submissive Grin



I'm not the type to pile on much to the mess at Auburn. I have good friends who are good Auburn fans, and I simply don't find much satisfaction in their misery. I wouldn't state more of the obvious unless there was an Alabama angle to it. During the waning months of the Mike Shula era, rival fans were throwing parades in the street, and literally developing web sites that paid weird homage to him. He's been the joke of the SEC for the first decade of this century, and very undeservedly so.
That said, I wasn't a huge Shula supporter but allowed him far more tolerance in relation to our circumstances than many fans, and to this day, I admire him for his character and will always be proud of his overall accomplishments related to Alabama. In fact, I was still on his boat until the overtime of the 2006 Arkansas game. I was fighting to not rack my head against the wall while shouting: "THIS SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING! WE SHOULD'VE WON BY 17 IN REGULATION!" while the camera panned over to him. Someone on the sideline must have said something funny the play before Arkansas made the game-winning score, because he laughed. At a time when nothing in the universe could've been funny, the coach inexplicably laughed. Then the play happened, and I sat back and simply said: "It's time for him to go."


Anyway, fast-forward through a bunch of Aubie delight and here we sit with the roles reversed — the main difference being our torture was ruled by sanctions levied by governing bodies bigger than us whereas Auburn (especially taking in their 180-turn in offensive and defensive philosophies into consideration) is the embodiment of a self-induced manic depressive breakdown.


Gene Chizik definitely looks the part, with the furled, alpha brow and blocked chin. He has a stern look, and rarely if ever says anything that makes him seem weak. Mike Shula on the other hand definitely looked the part... of a guy who always looked like he'd just gotten back from the beach. His face was the kind that seemed to only need shaving a couple times a week, and his sheepish, submissive grin before each press conference suggested he was going to begin each answer with: "Ahh... gee."


However, if you look to the numbers and take all circumstances into account, you'll find that Coach Shula was much more ready to man-up to the task of fighting through a ball game than Chizik by a long shot. Below are listed the records of each (while pontificating that Auburn finishes this year as prediction would have it at 3-9.) More telling, though, is the differential in scoring in the times each team lost and even further the differentials in each coach's 10 worst losses. What you'll find is the "tough guy who's 'written' a book" with a large enough sampling now manages a team that loses each game more than twice as badly as "our clown".


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Mike Shula
Record (4 years) 27-24


Differential in losses = 8.1 points per game
7, 3, 3, 14, 15, 24, 5, 8 = 8.7
17,17, 4, 16, 8, 4 = 9.4
3,10 = 6.5
1, 15, 3, 8, 14, 7, 7 = 7.8


Ten worst losses:
03 LSU (Nat Champs) - 24
04 ARK - 17
04 USC - 17
04 LSU - 16
03 Ole Miss - 15
03 UGA - 14
06 LSU - 14
05 AUB - 10
03 Hawaii - 8
04 AUB - 8


Gene Chizik
Record (4 years) - 33-23
(You can of course make your own deductions from this based on whatever asterisks you find warrant it, since the meat of this argument doesn't even pertain to 2010.)


Differential in losses = 17.8 points per game
21, 7, 21, 7, 5 = 11.9
14, 24, 35, 38, 28 = 27.8
7,18, 2, 17, 21, 4 = 13.5


Ten worst losses:
11 UGA - 38
11 LSU - 35
11 Bama - 28
11 Ark - 24
09 LSU - 21
12 Ole Miss - 21
09 Ark - 21
12 MSU - 18
12 Ark 17
11 Clem 14




That said, so many of Shula's games had a "coulda, woulda, shouda" feel to them. "I can't believe we blew a 17-point lead". "If only he could've held onto that interception." "If only that holding call hadn't have happened." These and multitudes of other like-wise questions were the ones I asked myself while ambling out of the student section with regularity. Some of them could've been applied to the one game Auburn could've absolutely embarrassed us in Bryant-Denny as Spencer Pennington, Aaron Johns and a no-name defense running on unrealized talent and pride took the fight through four quarters in 2004 (what will most likely always be my favorite Iron Bowl loss... if there could be such a thing.) But while Shula couldn't hold on much of the time with third and fourth strings, Chizik can't seem to keep his firsts and seconds from quitting.


I hope the early part of the last decade was the darkest we'll ever experience as Tide fans, but even in that time, we still knew how to fight, with a coach who seemed always afraid he was going to interrupt someone even. And we don't even have a Creed, nor are we all related."
 

Dixiedawg

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All fans have short memories, Coach Mike Shula came home when mama called at the lowest point in the school's history. Mike Price had just been fired and the team was realing from NCAA sanctions and he came while the wins didn't he did steady the ship and some of the kids he recruited (Greg McElroy.) helped win the 2009 BCS game.
 

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