(A Very Fluid) Three Weeks 'til NSD Recruiting Update 1/14

[runtheoption22]

al.com reporting that MOSES has cancelled his visit this weekend because his parents would be unable to go as well:

OT recruit Morgan Moses not visiting Alabama this weekend... - The Rap Sheet - al.com

Also, I heard (second-hand) from a teacher of Fluker that he will most likely not qualify. The exact words were, "He would need a miracle."

And as for Fluker, that's not true. No one is expecting any academic concerns with him.

As of the Tide football camp in July, Fluker had a 3.0 and was taking the ACT in October. Unless he made a 12, I don't think there are any concerns.

And, instead of CNS saying "you are my LT"...I think he'd be saying, "hit your books"

 

[RedStar]

I would have to disagree with you on this one. The kid who broke his leg in the bowl game for Southern Miss is an amazing wide receiver. PP is great but this guy was astonishing with his ability.

I've seen both play in person several times. DeAndre has height on Pat, and that's it. Patrick is faster, stronger, and has better hands. PP's greatest quality is after the ball is thrown. He can adjust as well as any high schooler I've seen to a ball in the air. I know it's impossible to compare the two, but think of Larry Fitzgerald on the high school level. It doesn't matter if the ball is underthrown, he can adjust his route and time the catch perfectly.

DeAndre Brown is a great talent, no doubt, but it's hard not to be good when you're 6'6". Think if Prothro had been 6'6", the world would have been served to him on a silver platter.

I look at it like this. Shaq has been a great basketball player in his career, one of the best. But most of that has to do with his size and size only. Would Shaq have still been in the NBA if he were say 6'2" instead of 7'2"? I doubt it. Now think about Kevin Garnett, the guy is so agile and fast and most of what he does on the court has nothing to do with his size. If he were 6'2" would he still be in the NBA? I'd say yes. If DeAndre were Shaq, Pat would most certaintly be Garnett.

Patrick Patterson's skill set is far superior to that of DeAndre from what I've seen in person.

 

[Boclive]

I've seen both play in person several times. DeAndre has height on Pat, and that's it. Patrick is faster, stronger, and has better hands. PP's greatest quality is after the ball is thrown. He can adjust as well as any high schooler I've seen to a ball in the air. I know it's impossible to compare the two, but think of Larry Fitzgerald on the high school level. It doesn't matter if the ball is underthrown, he can adjust his route and time the catch perfectly.

DeAndre Brown is a great talent, no doubt, but it's hard not to be good when you're 6'6". Think if Prothro had been 6'6", the world would have been served to him on a silver platter.

I look at it like this. Shaq has been a great basketball player in his career, one of the best. But most of that has to do with his size and size only. Would Shaq have still been in the NBA if he were say 6'2" instead of 7'2"? I doubt it. Now think about Kevin Garnett, the guy is so agile and fast and most of what he does on the court has nothing to do with his size. If he were 6'2" would he still be in the NBA? I'd say yes. If DeAndre were Shaq, Pat would most certaintly be Garnett.

Patrick Patterson's skill set is far superior to that of DeAndre from what I've seen in person.

I believe you may have dis-proved your own theorum, here. You state Brown is taller; then in your examples you state that taller is better; then you draw the conclusion that Patterson is better. It's like the global warming alarmists pointing to tens of thousands of miles of ice in the artic regions as proof of global warming. I don't quite follow the logic. I've never seen Patterson play; but I have seen Brown and he is amazing. In spite of his height, I guess.

 

[GreatDanish]

I look at it like this. Shaq has been a great basketball player in his career, one of the best. But most of that has to do with his size and size only. Would Shaq have still been in the NBA if he were say 6'2" instead of 7'2"? I doubt it. Now think about Kevin Garnett, the guy is so agile and fast and most of what he does on the court has nothing to do with his size. If he were 6'2" would he still be in the NBA? I'd say yes. If DeAndre were Shaq, Pat would most certaintly be Garnett.

Patrick Patterson's skill set is far superior to that of DeAndre from what I've seen in person.

Hey, I'd be totally fine with a Shaq.

 

[PDL]

I've seen both play in person several times. DeAndre has height on Pat, and that's it. Patrick is faster, stronger, and has better hands. PP's greatest quality is after the ball is thrown. He can adjust as well as any high schooler I've seen to a ball in the air. I know it's impossible to compare the two, but think of Larry Fitzgerald on the high school level. It doesn't matter if the ball is underthrown, he can adjust his route and time the catch perfectly.

DeAndre Brown is a great talent, no doubt, but it's hard not to be good when you're 6'6". Think if Prothro had been 6'6", the world would have been served to him on a silver platter.

I look at it like this. Shaq has been a great basketball player in his career, one of the best. But most of that has to do with his size and size only. Would Shaq have still been in the NBA if he were say 6'2" instead of 7'2"? I doubt it. Now think about Kevin Garnett, the guy is so agile and fast and most of what he does on the court has nothing to do with his size. If he were 6'2" would he still be in the NBA? I'd say yes. If DeAndre were Shaq, Pat would most certaintly be Garnett.

Patrick Patterson's skill set is far superior to that of DeAndre from what I've seen in person.

I get your point, but you have to take the measurables into account when you're talking about how good a player is. When you compare Shaq and Garnett, who would you take (in their prime) if you were starting an NBA franchise? One person out of a million would take Garnett over Shaq. If Shaq and Garnett were the same size, Garnett would clearly be the better athlete, but that's not the question. It's who is better and who gives you the best chance to win. I'm a huge Garnett fan, but Shaq has been a winner and dominator everywhere he's been (except maybe with the Suns).

So, as you said, it's hard to compare players, especially when one hasn't even made it to the college level yet, but part of what makes Brown so good is because of his size. That can't be discounted, and you have to take that into consideration when talking about which one you would take on your team first if given the choice.

 

[Toss Sweep]

Hey, I'd be totally fine with a Shaq.

or a Garnett

 

[GreatDanish]

or a Garnett

If we had both, I wouldn't cry. We've already got a 19 year old Wilt starting for us. But, I'm kind of confused as to who Randle is... maybe Chris Paul?

Anyway, yeah, Fluker is not one of our more dangerous academic cases.

 

[bamamick]

Well, this is all very depressing and not a little bit hard on the old blood pressure. Now Moses Massie isn't going to visit us and some guy on BamaMag says that we are wasting our time since both Massie and Patterson are heading to Oxford. I JUST WANT IT TO BE OVER!!!! Just go ahead and sign a top five class and put it to bed. It's time for less stressful pursuits, like watching Tide basketball .

rtr

 

[12 rings]

I've been saying for a while now, I want Patterson. Just as much as I want Randle. Patterson is a better candidate to be ready to step in next year. I think Rueben would still be a year away from making an impact. Patterson is the best receiver Mississippi has produced in at least 10 years, and think about the level of talent MS produces. To me it's easily the highest amount of talent per capita than any other state. This kid is incredible.

Well, you are not the only one who thinks very highly of PP. Lemming has him rated as his #16 overall prospect & #1 WR. Clearly the guy has tons of talent.

 

[derek4tide]

Also, I heard (second-hand)...

Drop the rumor crap. You have no idea of what you speak.

 

[GreatDanish]

I heard from the same Auburn fan that 8 or 9 of Bama's top recruits are silent commits to the Tigers. Big surprises coming on signing day...

Isn't McElwain scheduled to commit to Auburn by then too? I'm pretty sure he was rumored to replace Tony Franklin pretty early on. Surprised it hasn't happened yet...

 

[crimson_blood]

Patrick Patterson's skill set is far superior to that of DeAndre from what I've seen in person.

Not sure we're seeing eye to eye on this one. Don't get me wrong, Patterson is a great WR and I am praying that we land him, but DeAndre Brown's measurables are off the charts...6'6" 225 with 4.5 speed and a 35 inch vertical...it's hard to top that skill set. I just hope he's able to play again after that injury.

At any rate, I agree with you that Patterson is a gem. He may end up being the one of best WRs ever to come out of that state.

 

[RedStar]

I believe you may have dis-proved your own theorum, here. You state Brown is taller; then in your examples you state that taller is better; then you draw the conclusion that Patterson is better. It's like the global warming alarmists pointing to tens of thousands of miles of ice in the artic regions as proof of global warming. I don't quite follow the logic. I've never seen Patterson play; but I have seen Brown and he is amazing. In spite of his height, I guess.

I get your point, and I guess I should have gone with someone a lot less dominating than Shaq, that might have made my case a lot clearer, haha. At any rate, Patterson is a great receiver, and from the games I attended, looked like the better athlete, made more spectacular catches, etc. . .

I'm not trying to discredit DeAndre at all, he had one hell of a season. More than anything just trying to state why I want Pat so badly.

 

[rolltide0692]

If Woodson doesn't qualify, I will be devastated. I really want him to be a part of this class. I think he may need a year, but he could be dominant after a little time with CNS. I've dreamed a bout having a safety that hits like Major Wright at Florida.

 

[Bama-fo-life]

I am very disappointed in the way this thread has turned out. It seems like we are having to spend most of the thread squashing rumors rather than talking about the facts. This thread is the reason why I will only listen to mods when it comes to recruiting because people are all over the place with their opinions and it seems like these "I heard people" are all wrong.

If you don't have facts then simply don't post because if I was a student that worked hard and looked on here to someone telling me that I did not have a chance, I would be upset.

 

[Rasputin]

Not sure we're seeing eye to eye on this one. Don't get me wrong, Patterson is a great WR and I am praying that we land him, but DeAndre Brown's measurables are off the charts...6'6" 225 with 4.5 speed and a 35 inch vertical...it's hard to top that skill set. I just hope he's able to play again after that injury.

At any rate, I agree with you that Patterson is a gem. He may end up being the one of best WRs ever to come out of that state.

Just to clarify...measurabled such as height weight 40--are just that...measurabled. Skill set refers to hands, route running ability, cutting on a dime, etc. I know very little of PP personally, but from what I have read his skill set sounds to be of exceptional ability. Food for thought..if measurables were what made a football player...and measurables alone...the NFL would be overrun with ex pro wrestlers and bodybuilders. This is why skill set is so vital to a football athlete, especially "skill positions".

 

[bamacon]

Here are just a few bullet thoughts after a round of official visits:
· Might as well get this one out of the way. Unless we just blow Randle out of the water this weekend, I expect him to sign with LSU.
· Having said that, Patterson becomes even more important than before. In all honesty, he's probably RR's equal as a receiver. It will be a dog-fight with OM, with UT barely in the picture.
· McCarron did bond with some of these WRs at the Army game.
· I think Tana Patrick is leaning towards Bama, but UT/Orgeron is all over him.
· Barring a huge flip back to FSU, Stinson should be on board.
· Moore is an interesting case, and with Murphy in, now, he might not be a priority. However, there are a couple of DL academic concerns that may keep him a priority.
· No recent news on Massie
· It will be difficult to pull Reid, but playing time is likely his deciding factor. We need CBs.
· We should get Kirkpatrick, but he has academic work to do.
· I'm torn on Kelly. I'm leaning towards we take him, just because of potential. Injuries really hampered him this year.
· Bumphis seems legitimately torn after his official. It just depends if he wants to leave home and play in a traditional system that will contend for titles or be the next "Percy Harvin" in Mullen's perrenial cellar dweller.
· Darrington Sentimore should qualify, needing only a small bump in ACT or GPA to be safe, if reported grades are accurate.
· Rod Woodson needs to finish strong to qualify. He's probably the longest off of our commits, but it's doable. We really need him at safety.
· Speaking of safeties, Myles was blown away by Bama. I think we lead, but barely, over LSU. LSU was the boyhood team, and we are having to overcome that.
· No recent news on Steen, but he still needs some work academically. He's a nasty one, and we need that in an OL.
· There's a rumor Dial has been talked to about a greyshirt to get academics in order, and not cause him to go to JUCO. The only way I can relate that is Travis McCall, who stayed at Prattville to retake classes and delayed enrollment. That's just my speculation, though, nothing concrete.
· Pray Bowman gets his last academics taken care of. Physically, he's our closest to Julio.

Any other changes in your list above RTO or does the known status quo remain?

 

[WMack4Bama]

Any other changes in your list above RTO or does the known status quo remain?

I can't ever count out Coach Saban, but it looks a lot like we've lost Stinson to LSU

 

[Crimson Surfer]

Any other changes in your list above RTO or does the known status quo remain?

I am sure RTO will comment when he sees your quesiton but in the meantime I will add a couple of comments on recent changes to the recruiting situation.

Well as RTO said it is fluid and will continue to be so right up until NSD and prehaps after that. I say after that because now some of the prospects including Brandon Moore, Pat Patterson and Morgan Moses have said they may delay their decisons until after signing day. Also the Ed Stinson situation has changed either a little or a lot depending on which of the latest reports that you believe. One report has him heavily leaning to LSU and another report has him deciding between LSU and Bama with Bama holding a slight lead. The latest info on commit Gerald West after his USM visit is a little disconcerting.

Lawrence County RB Hardy picks USM

Mobile cornerback Gerald West is weighing his options after an official visit to Southern Miss this weekend.

West has verbally committed to Alabama, but he came away impressed after his visit to Hattiesburg.

"I told them there was a good chance of me coming there," West said. "I'm still committed to Alabama, but I still wanted to look at my possibilities. I've almost made my decision."

The 5-10, 170-pound cornerback played his prep football at Faith Academy and has a three-star rating according to Scout.com.

 

[WMack4Bama]

I am sure RTO will comment when he sees your quesiton but in the meantime I will add a couple of comments on recent changes to the recruiting situation.

Well as RTO said it is fluid and will continue to be so right up until NSD and prehaps after that. I say after that because now some of the prospects including Brandon Moore, Pat Patterson and Morgan Moses have said they may delay their decisons until after signing day. Also the Ed Stinson situation has changed either a little or a lot depending on which of the latest reports that you believe. One report has him heavily leaning to LSU and another report has him deciding between LSU and Bama with Bama holding a slight lead. The latest info on commit Gerald West after his USM visit is a little disconcerting.

Wow! Southern Miss...really? I was recruited by USM when Coach Bower was there, and while their facilities and the chance to play were enticing, it certainly wasn't as impressive as what I imagine Bama had to offer at the time. That was about 10 years ago, though, and I'm quite certain that many things have changed. I wonder how much this has to do with USM's less strict (relative to SEC schools) admission standards.