After 13 games we're 9-4. Let's revisit our thoughts and outlook on Coach Kalen DeBoer

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Trying to figure out how a guy with a reputation for offense hasn't been able to do anything more with Alabama's offense in week 11 than he did in week 1.

Was DeBoer's success on offense tied to the OC he lost the NFL? What about his overall success as a coach?
There have been many comments on here regarding Deboer's full offense not being implemented. There no doubt that an outstanding QB at the level of Pennix or Jayden Daniels would improve the team tremendously but to expect some type of offensive scheme that is unseen in the SEC is unrealistic IMO.

Interesting last night I continued to see people projecting Milroe to go early in draft. So fingers crossed on him opting for the NFL draft.
 
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uaintn

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The NFL is metrics/measurables obsessed (it is one reason the product is so sorry). If he is focused, JM will score very highly at the combine. Some GM will draft him way earlier than his game performance would justify.

I wish him good luck somewhere else next season.
 

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There no doubt that an outstanding QB at the level of Penix or Jayden Daniels would improve the team tremendously but to expect some type of offensive scheme that is unseen in the SEC is unrealistic IMO.
I think people overestimate just how effective the Washington offense was with Penix though. They only scored two more points per game than Alabama last year. Yes, they had a great record last year, only one loss, but they had 8 one score games so a lot of close calls. This despite having a lot of weapons on offense. Penix actually lead the conference in interceptions as well, still good stats but he was throwing it so many times sometimes bad things happened and they had trouble putting teams away.

In the previous year, in their loss to a 3 win Arizona St. team, Pennix threw the ball 53 times but no TDs and 1 INT. So, even with an excellent QB, DeBoer's offense still has the same vulnerability. I think one thing people aren't considering is how Milroe would have done against the Pac-12. I'd wager he'd look a lot better facing those defenses as well... but there's less margin for error in the SEC and QB-centric offenses are more vulnerable.
 
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RammerJammer14

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Do the recruits really care about who the coaches are, or do they only care about the money? For instance, look at the QB that flipped from LSU to Michigan. I really can't see that Michigan's head coach is better than LSU's coach. Besides, if the players are not happy after one year, they will just transfer to another school for more money. The players are working the system to their advantage and making life-changing money that some families never make in their entire lives.
Life changing money they are blowing on fast cars, women, and jewelry. Most of these guys will be dead broke in 5-10 years with nothing to show for it
 

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Part of the problem is that this team's only issues are not on offense. I openly questioned what DeBoer would look like without Penix and it's easy enough to just place the blame on Milroe, but DeBoer's job is to sort out issues on offense. The main issue there is he overly relies on the QB, so the solution is the problem in this case, the normal reaction to not having a reliable passing game is to develop a more reliable running game but that's not really a thing his offenses do. DeBoer's offenses live and die by QB play.

Which bring us to the other giant problem. Alabama is bad against the run. Their scoring defense is actually pretty good, but both in terms of yards per game and average per rush this defense is soft against the run, creating a way to make them very beatable.

Basically, the issue is that while this is in fact a very good team, it's also a very flawed team. Stop the QB, run the ball, you have this team beat. It's not balanced in terms of both the ability to run the ball and stop the run.
Yeah... I've noticed that we are consistently vulnerable on the ground. We've given up yardage there to even the lesser teams on the schedule.

I think out DL while decent is simply less talented that we believe. Lots of misses there from 2020 on. An our ILBs have great measureable, but aren't the closes we had back in the days of Rolando and Foster.

The more concerning issue... could it be the system just doesn't work as well?
 

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Without the pick 6 and fumble, we win.
Or, if we don’t allow them to dominate the defense for 43 minutes we win.

That loss was on the D…I understand that you loathe Milroe to the point that everything that goes wrong is his fault, but in this instance you are straining to blame him.

The D lost that game and it’s really not up for much debate.
 

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The offense got the ball four times with the chance to tie or take the lead and failed miserably each time. It's a team game, and the offense had plenty of failings in that game. The defense was worse, but the offense was also poor.
And the fact that the defense was worse was the reason we lost.
 
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Or, if we don’t allow them to dominate the defense for 43 minutes we win.

That loss was on the D…I understand that you loathe Milroe to the point that everything that goes wrong is his fault, but in this instance you are straining to blame him.

The D lost that game and it’s really not up for much debate.
The defense would not have been out there for 43 minutes if the offense could possess the ball longer than 2 minutes. My God, man.
 

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The defense would not have been out there for 43 minutes if the offense could possess the ball longer than 2 minutes. My God, man.
Yes they would have. They never slowed the offense down. Heck, Vandy would have scored again at the end of the game if they wanted to. As it was they scored 40. It would have been 47 points if they needed to score again.

Yes, the offense made mistakes - two of them. The defense made about 50 mistakes in that game.
 

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Yes they would have. They never slowed the offense down. Heck, Vandy would have scored again at the end of the game if they wanted to. As it was they scored 40. It would have been 47 points if they needed to score again.

Yes, the offense made mistakes - two of them. The defense made about 50 mistakes in that game.
If Bama had possessed the ball for 30 minutes, then Vandy could only have possessed it for 30 minutes. Are you guys being serious right now? The offense had multiple opportunities to tie or take the lead and failed.
 

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Vandy pushed your defense around like they were little girls in that game. Your defense failed utterly. The offense was not perfect, but it shouldn't have had to be perfect against Vandy.
I look at the Vandy loss about 50/50 on whose fault it was.

That’s because the few chances we had to take a lead the offense vomited on the turf.

So I see it as our 3 losses are 2.5 on the Offense and more specifically #4

The Vandy game ultimately wouldn’t matter if we had a QB on the field that could put a ball near anyone’s catch radius.
 

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If Bama had possessed the ball for 30 minutes, then Vandy could only have possessed it for 30 minutes. Are you guys being serious right now? The offense had multiple opportunities to tie or take the lead and failed.
If Vandy possess the ball for 42 mins than Alabama can only possess it for 18!

Do you see how that logic is faulty?

Vandy punted twice all game and one of those punts came basically at the end of half so Alabama didn't get a real possession. The defense holds most of the blame for that game
 
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I am just as disappointed in this team as most on here are. An Iron Bowl win tomorrow can go a long way in soothing our disappointment, it would put us at 9-3 which is what I predicted in the preseason. I did not think however that two of those losses would be to two six win, unranked opponents. I am not going to go through all that has happened to cause this because it has been discussed enough and is fairly obvious. Coach DeBoer's staff, like his team, has not shown any consistency and have been an abject failure in games we should have won. I believe CKD deserves three years to upgrade both his coaching staff and quality of players to fit his system. If he cannot get this done by the end of year three then we need to move on from him.
 

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If Vandy possess the ball for 42 mins than Alabama can only possess it for 18!

Do you see how that logic is faulty?

Vandy punted twice all game and one of those punts came basically at the end of half so Alabama didn't get a real possession. The defense holds most of the blame for that game
they punted a third time, but we brilliantly ran two #2s on the field at the same time negating that
 

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I am just as disappointed in this team as most on here are. An Iron Bowl win tomorrow can go a long way in soothing our disappointment, it would put us at 9-3 which is what I predicted in the preseason. I did not think however that two of those losses would be to two six win, unranked opponents. I am not going to go through all that has happened to cause this because it has been discussed enough and is fairly obvious. Coach DeBoer's staff, like his team, has not shown any consistency and have been an abject failure in games we should have won. I believe CKD deserves three years to upgrade both his coaching staff and quality of players to fit his system. If he cannot get this done by the end of year three then we need to move on from him.
Not directed at you, but everyone should give the man a break! We are not even at the end of year one...:rolleyes:
 

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Not directed at you, but everyone should give the man a break! We are not even at the end of year one...:rolleyes:
We all know that. He also inherited a pristine program loaded with talent, projected to be the best in the country or at least top 3. I know it takes time and this was a transition year but still, the way we lost the games we lost is troubling to say the least.
 
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