After worst postseason loss in Alabama history, the Tide are on the wrong side of a 'fine line' under Kalen DeBoer

[TideMan09]

I'm sorry Coach Deboer this all falls on you my man, you've turned us into a finesse style of a football team brother, your lack of commitment to a more physical style play..

Shows it's ugly head, against the top tier teams, in college football when we play them & it's embarrassing sir..

If you dont bring that physicality back to Bama this offseason, next year will be your last at Bama, if you even make it through the season that is..

As Fred G Sanford would say..

It's time to get rid of those ice cream trucks at practice now you big dummy..

After worst postseason loss in Alabama history, the Tide are on the wrong side of a 'fine line' under Kalen DeBoer

Alabama is now 20-8 since DeBoer succeeded Nick Saban.

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[Bama9001]

I'm older than most of the guys here and have seen lots of 'dynasty' coaches step down and be replaced, both HS and college. I've seen guys fail and others succeed. One thing I've never seen is a coach come in, start racking up negative record after negative record, then turn it around and succeed.

First time to lose to Vandy in 50 years. Worst bowl loss in team history. Etc..., etc... I'm just guessing this was the worst running team in Bama history. Probably way up there in sacks and TFLs allowed. There have been others that escape me right now.

We can't pay Deboer $70 million to go away. We'll just live with the 15-20% chance he might turn this around. Hopefully at some point before he's gone we get to see some of that offensive genius. Two years in and I can't think of one single thing this staff is doing well, relative to the talent on board.

Thing is that I agree with many that think if we fix the OL many other things will fall into place. Two years in and the OL is worse than it was when he took over. Once again, maybe the worst OL in Bama history even with a first round NFL draft talent on the OL. Yes, I remember the pancake posse.

 

[TideMan09]

I'm older than most of the guys here and have seen lots of 'dynasty' coaches step down and be replaced, both HS and college. I've seen guys fail and others succeed. One thing I've never seen is a coach come in, start racking up negative record after negative record, then turn it around and succeed.

First time to lose to Vandy in 50 years. Worst bowl loss in team history. Etc..., etc... I'm just guessing this was the worst running team in Bama history. Probably way up there in sacks and TFLs allowed. There have been others that escape me right now.

We can't pay Deboer $70 million to go away. We'll just live with the 15-20% chance he might turn this around. Hopefully at some point before he's gone we get to see some of that offensive genius. Two years in and I can't think of one single thing this staff is doing well, relative to the talent on board.

Thing is that I agree with many that think if we fix the OL many other things will fall into place. Two years in and the OL is worse than it was when he took over. Once again, maybe the worst OL in Bama history even with a first round NFL draft talent on the OL. Yes, I remember the pancake posse.

I agree & hate too say this..It felt like it did when Chris Capps was on our OLine in the Shula Era, buttttt, too his credit Chris Capps at least tried his best with effort & I'll always respect that about Chris Capps..

That kinda effort simply wasn't there at allllll last night on offense or on defense as well in all honesty & Im sorry that's coaching or lack of coaching I should say..

 

[22Musso22]

I'm sorry Coach Deboer this all falls on you my man, you've turned us into a finesse style of a football team brother, your lack of commitment to a more physical style play..


It's time to get rid of those ice cream trucks at practice now you big dummy..

 

[64 Grad]

The lack of the physical part of the game is right on and not having a team mentality is the other. Indiana and Miami both showed big signs of a team mentality. Miami's last drive to beat Ohio State showed the team mentality (a solid team effort to put them away like Alabama used to do in tight games) as well as the entire game for Indiana. Good coaches develop a team mentality. Even Lou Holtz had the ability to do that. Don't know what the future holds, but Alabama did have a beat down from Nebraska in the early 1970's before rebounding for Bryant's last run. Tom Osborne struggled for a while after DeVaney at Nebraska before building a short but awesome dynasty. I would be surprised to see DeBoer turn this around, but under the circumstances he deserves the chance.

 

[rolltide_21]

The first drive of the season was smash mouth football. We all commented- “that’s what we’re looking for..” Then it just went away. It was there for one drive. There was flashes of it last year- see LSU. CKD knows how to do it. He’s got to stick with it and develop it.

 

[KrAzY3]

I think he should get another year, but I can't believe there are still people basically saying his team isn't finesse enough. What do they want to do, put them in tutus?

The problem isn't the lack of fit, it's the system and he needs to make tweaks to get make it less west coast and more physical. Don't emulate that Washington nonsense that got curb stomped by Michigan.

 

[editder]

That loss yesterday was uglier than Aunt Esther.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

FWIW - Alabama's offense is considered RPO/Pro Style Offense, not "West Coast". Arkansas, TAMU and Kentucky run the West Coast Offense.

 

[JDCrimson]

FWIW - Alabama's offense is considered RPO/Pro Style Offense, not "West Coast". Arkansas, TAMU and Kentucky run the West Coast Offense.

I think they mean its got a West Coast attitude under it.

 

[CB72]

Get him gone.

Tired of the embarrassing losses and historical lows.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I think they mean its got a West Coast attitude under it.

Oregon doesn't have that attitude. They pitched a shutout against a pretty good offense.

 

[JDCrimson]

Oregon doesn't have that attitude. They pitched a shutout against a pretty good offense.

No but what do you think about when you hear the term West Coast in most contexts? That is what they mean.

 

[CoolBreeze]

He will have a chance to turn it around. Can't say I am overly optimistic until I see the changes that need to come and that starts with the staff.

 

[davefrat]

Oregon doesn't have that attitude. They pitched a shutout against a pretty good offense.

They, along with all the rest of the teams in the semis have coaches who cut their teeth on anything but a "west coast" approach to football.

And they all share one big commonality...they all coached at one point under the greatest, most demanding, hard nosed coach of them all.

Our staff is like wet tissue paper in comparison.

 

[Tidewater]

I wish you had not posted that.
The only thing worse than losing 38-3 and looking absolutely terrible doing so is losing like that, looking terrible, and the coach saying, in effect, "We're close."
"the fine line between what we had out there today and being at the very top."
Sorry, coach, you are most decidedly not close. You are not within a country mile of being "at the very top" (as a program, not you individually, although that remains to be seen).
The statement he should have made was: "This was bad. I apologize to the university administration, the students, boosters and fans, and the entire state of Alabama. It is unacceptable. We will take a hard objective look at everything and everyone connected to the program, coaches, players, the waterboy even, and decide whether we need to part company to get the program back to where it should be: mentally tough, physically dominant, extremely disciplined, focused, always performing at the highest level. To lose sometimes in athletic competition is one thing. For Alabama to look that incompetent while losing is not acceptable. We are getting too much money for that. I promise you, I will fix this."

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I wish you had not posted that.
The only thing worse than losing 38-3 and looking absolutely terrible doing so is losing like that, looking terrible, and the coach saying, in effect, "We're close."
the fine line between what we had out there today and being at the very top
Sorry, coach, you are most decidedly not close. You are not within a country mile of being "at the very top" (as a program, not you individually, although that remains to be seen).
The statement he should have made was: "This was bad. I apologize to the university administration, the students, boosters and fans, and the entire state of Alabama. It is unacceptable. We will take a hard objective look at everything and everyone connected to the program, coaches, players, the waterboy even, and decide whether we need to part company to get the program back to where it should be: mentally tough, physically dominant, extremely disciplined, focused, always performing at the highest level. To lose sometimes in athletic competition is one thing. For Alabama to look that incompetent while losing is not acceptable. We are getting too much money for that. I promise you, I will fix this."

The "thin line" was probably a reference to the "Offensive Line"!

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

And hire who?
Who are you HONESTLY gonna hire right now who will be a big improvement?
I mean if you're gonna want the coach gone at least have a list of candidates to provide.

 

[Tidewater]

For myself, I do not want Coach DeBoer gone.
I also do not want to hear, "Well, this coach is a friend of mine and he has a family. His portion of the program is failing miserably, but he is a long-time friend, so I'm retaining him." Coach Shula was let go over a similar situation and the subordinate coach he was trying to protect from consequences of his incompetence ended up losing his job anyway along with Coach Shula and the entire staff.
Sorry. These guys are making more money than you or I ever will. Perform or move on.
If you are the o-line coach and your o-line is catastrophically sub-par and damaging the program, the program needs to thank him for trying and wish him well someplace else. There is no malice in that. It's just business.
You cannot build a successful program firing everybody every year, but those parts that are not up to standard should be shown the door, if for no other reason, then to encourage the others.

 

[TideMan09]

For myself, I do not want Coach DeBoer gone.
I also do not want to hear, "Well, this coach is a friend of mine and he has a family. His portion of the program is failing miserably, but he is a long-time friend, so I'm retaining him." Coach Shula was let go over a similar situation and the subordinate coach he was trying to protect from consequences of his incompetence ended up losing his job anyway along with Coach Shula and the entire staff.
Sorry. These guys are making more money than you or I ever will. Perform or move on.
If you are the o-line coach and your o-line is catastrophically sub-par and damaging the program, the program needs to thank him for trying and wish him well someplace else. There is no malice in that. It's just business.
You cannot build a successful program firing everybody every year, but those parts that are not up to standard should be shown the door, if for no other reason, then to encourage the others.

I get what you're saying & I agree to an extent, we Bama Fans hate losing, buttttt, we also know it's simply part of the no matter who you are..

It's how you lose that bothers us, we're literally getting out coached & curb stomped Vandy style(when they were bad) when we lose, with as much talent & university support Coach Deboer has that should neverrrr happen at Bama..

All I know it's obvious we're a more finesse team under this coaching staff & less on the physicality part of the game that's made us the most dominant football program in history..

If Coach Deboer doesn't change that type mentality & culture now his time at Bama won't last after next year..

Im sorry that's just my opinion brother..