AL Immigration Law: Just When You Thought It Couldn't Get Worse...

[bamacon]

No, I do not believe it is breaking the states. It is a convenient excuse. Does it add expenses? Of course. Is it breaking the states? Hardly.

Okie dokie.

 

[KrimsonNinja]

facts vs opinion
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters5e3f

Here's the similar report for California:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersffec

The annual cost per household is noted as being significantly higher than in Arizona: $1,183 vs. $700.

This^^

The truth hurts and the citizens of California and Arizona know the truth first hand.

 

[gmart74]

i will try to simplify this for ya- poor people tend to take in more in welfare services and medical services than they pay out in taxes. they also tend to be involved in more crime. that is a universal truth of all races in all countries. most illegal immigrants tend to be poor. thus they are a drain on the system. currently our states are bankrupt. the federal gov isnt enforcing our borders. so please use just an ounce of common sense instead of ideology and realize states cant afford the additional burden of these illegals. maybe illegals wont break the system by themselves, however what you fail to acknowledge is that the system is already broken. to ask the states to turn a blind eye to illegals and keep forking over money to them is an illogical request.

there should only be one policy in this time of fiscal crisis- troops securing the border, absolutely no services or handouts to illegals, and ALL illegals, regardless of circumstances, will be immediately deported.

(of course that might screw up our gov's sanctioned drug trade but that is a different topic for a different thread)

 

[lazlohollyfeld]

Yeah, and none of these "studies" take into account any of the value added by illegal immigrants in cost savings, taxes paid in forms other than income taxes (which many illegals actually pay anyway), or the economic growth that illegals bring to the states.

But all of this is completely irrelevant. The illegal immigration problem will only be solved by national reform that rationalizes the immigration system and provides a path to citizenship to those who are already here. Rick Perry can send all the bills he wants to the feds, the states can pass stupid little laws that drive up their construction and farming costs but are never enforced anyway, and Bachmann can draw up detailed schematics for the Great Wall of the Southwest until kingdom comes. But they are all empty, useless, foolish gestures. The only way to solve the problem is to support common sense reform. Xenophobia, fear mongering, and yes, racism, are not the solution.

Here is a breakdown of many of the "facts" that are often thrown around about illegal immigration.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

So says the guy who is about as far away from the southern border as you can be and still be in the continental US. And of the citations at the end of your article the most recent were 2006, the oldest was 2002. here is an idea, instead of looking on the Google for your facts, move to Uvalde, Texas and experience it first hand. There is a 200 acre ranch about 6-7 miles from my Aunt and Uncles. I give you under a year before you become xenophobic, fear mongered, and yes, "racist".

 

[Bamaro]

gmart, the thing I like about you is that you typically have an abundance of common sense. Do you really think militarizing the entire southern border of the United States, letting illegals die outside the emergency rooms because giving them care is illegal, and attempting the mass deportation of tens of millions of people will ever work? Or that a majority of the American people will ever accept it? The only way illegal immigration will destroy this country is if a significant majority continue to cling to either the insane strategies of blanket immunity or mass deportation.

1. if people are here illegally and need emergency treatment, we have to help them
2. As soon as they are better they need to be sent back wherever they came from
3. We have immigration laws that should be either obeyed or repealed
4. We are a nation of immigrants. Fine. That was then, this is now. We already have more people than we need.
5. Illegals cost us more than they supply via taxes
6. We need a workable seasonable guest worker program. Come here legally, work in your seasonal job, make your money, go back and live very well until next season, repeat.

 

[Bama Reb]

1. if people are here illegally and need emergency treatment, we have to help them. Yes, but EMERGENCY must be the key. If they're going to the emergency room because of a case of sniffles, then sorry. Treatment refused.
2. As soon as they are better they need to be sent back wherever they came from. Preferaably their country of origin.
3. We have immigration laws that should be either obeyed or repealed. I couldn't agree more.
4. We are a nation of immigrants. Fine. That was then, this is now. We already have more people than we need. What we need is more productive people, fewer non-productive people. The problem is that many of the non productive just happen to be US citizens as well.
5. Illegals cost us more than they supply via taxes. Maybe not individually, but as a whole, yes.
6. We need a workable seasonable guest worker program. Come here legally, work in your seasonal job, make your money, go back and live very well until next season, repeat. I would have no problem with that. As long as they cross legally, work their jobs then recross legally. If they want to stay permanently, then begin a naturalization process and apply for citizenship

 

[gmart74]

1. if people are here illegally and need emergency treatment, we have to help them
2. As soon as they are better they need to be sent back wherever they came from
3. We have immigration laws that should be either obeyed or repealed
4. We are a nation of immigrants. Fine. That was then, this is now. We already have more people than we need.
5. Illegals cost us more than they supply via taxes
6. We need a workable seasonable guest worker program. Come here legally, work in your seasonal job, make your money, go back and live very well until next season, repeat.

i believe this is the sensible reply BiB is looking for. i agree with all of it.

 

[bamacon]

i believe this is the sensible reply BiB is looking for. i agree with all of it.

No, he is saying there is no problem or that it is highly exaggerated. No one is saying kick in doors, round em up at Wal Mart by the bus load, or let them die outside the emergency room. That is hyperbolic crap that we expect from the left. I'm all for sensible approaches but the problem is that the feds are poo pooing their responsibility will claiming they are the only ones who can act on the issue. All we are saying is "Act dammit!"

 

[Bama Reb]

There's an article in today's Tuscaloosa News concerning this, and those illegals that are in the process of self-deporting to Mexico.

Driven out of Tuscaloosa
The fear of deportation and separation from family has many of Tuscaloosa's illegal immigrants heading to other states, Mexico

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20110828/news/110829723?tc=ar

All I can say is "I'm all broken up inside."

 

[gmart74]

gmart, the thing I like about you is that you typically have an abundance of common sense. Do you really think militarizing the entire southern border of the United States, letting illegals die outside the emergency rooms because giving them care is illegal, and attempting the mass deportation of tens of millions of people will ever work? Or that a majority of the American people will ever accept it? The only way illegal immigration will destroy this country is if a significant majority continue to cling to either the insane strategies of blanket immunity or mass deportation.

now that i am sober i will answer your question. i still agree with everything bamaro said. to add a couple points:
the southern border is already militarized. we have juarez right on the border, gun running and drugs freely flowing across it, border agents being shot at, mexicans being left for dead in the desert, and more and more violent mexican gangs setting up shop in the US. so if the border is already militarize, the least we can do is send in our military and defend our borders, which last time i checked was a basic duty of our fed gov.

i think any emergency medical situation should be treated. at the time they are stable, they should be deported.
i think most people in this country already do support the deportation of all illegals. there is nothing beneficial to this country by harboring illegals in a state where they can never be citizens and have more loyalty to their home country than the one they are living in.

 

[Bama Reb]

Personally, I don't think deportation is going to be as big a deal as some think, especially here in Alabama. I've said many times that if we make it difficult for them to work here, send money to back Mexico and take advantage of our schools, medical care and social programs then a large portion of them will self-deport, or at least move on to more friendly states (anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line will do. :biggrin:.) My only suggestion would be for other states to enact laws similar to the ones in Alabama and Arizona. If more states show the feds that they won't be bullied, then perhaps the feds will finally get the message. They'll either secure our borders and start enforcing existing immigration laws or they'll step out of the way and let the states handle it on their own. Either way the problem will be resolved to most people's satisfaction.

 

[bamacon]

We don't need fences or a militarized border although both could be effective in stopping the flow until a solution can be arrived at. Honestly, if employers would forced to hire legal workers this would solve itself. The folks here keep saying that they are leaving b/c of the "unfair discrimination" in the law. However, when I spoke to some I knew they were all headed to Joplin in look for....jobs. Well shazam!!! No job, no stay.

 

[gmart74]

We don't need fences or a militarized border although both could be effective in stopping the flow until a solution can be arrived at. Honestly, if employers would forced to hire legal workers this would solve itself. The folks here keep saying that they are leaving b/c of the "unfair discrimination" in the law. However, when I spoke to some I knew they were all headed to Joplin in look for....jobs. Well shazam!!! No job, no stay.

actually that is simple and would probably be the most effective strategy to implement. but let's not let a crisis go to waste. we should use them to roll back federal legislation on housing, energy and education within the state of alabama. oh and also earmark some funds for me to study the behavior of waves at gulf shores.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

This has been blocked...at least temporarily.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/08/alabama_immigration_law_blocked.html

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- U.S. District Judge Sharon Lovelace Blackburn has decided to block Alabama's new immigration law for a month to give herself more time to rule on whether parts or all of the far-reaching law are constitutional.

It was set to go into effect Sept. 1.

The court announced the one-month preliminary injunction at 1:30 p.m. today and said the temporary stay is not based on the merits of the law. The injunction would be lifted prior to Sept. 29 if Blackburn issues her ruling in the case.

 

[cbi1972]

So it will take a month for her to survey and warn all her friends to switch to American housekeepers and gardeners.

 

[CrimsonChuck]

Injunction was expected in this type of case, but it really doesn't say anything about the eventual outcome.

True...it said the following.

The court announced the one-month preliminary injunction at 1:30 p.m. today and said the temporary stay is not based on the merits of the law.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'm not sayin gyou are, but there are many, many people saying we should round them up and deport them, by pretty much any means necessary. And I am not on the Left.

This simply isn't possible with the numbers we've been told. Upwards of 30 MILLION people? Where do people think our government will suddenly discover the level of planning and efficiency that would be required to pull something off?

No, the answer is to make the condition s here such that it's not beneficial to live here illegally. NO benefits (NONE, no medical, no welfare, no school, nothing), heavy fines for those found employing illegals etc.

Sure, shoring up the border will help some, but to get rid of the current illegals, it does nothing.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Yah, I understand, and am on the fence about it, honestly. Not for the reasons you listed, but due tot he fact that I'm against the government penalizing businesses for not doing the government's job for them.

Regardless, if the government made it uncomfortable enough, most would leave of their own free will.

 

[RollTideMustang]

I for one is for the Immigration Law some of it is just non-sense such as drive to the store? That is a laugh lol! We all have our own opinion about the law. Now those who oppose the law & say it's ok to be illegal just come to American it's free just cross the border & pay NO TAXES! The illegals get the free health care while we the legal citizens fit there bill to stay here for free! Now you tell me that is right? This is what I assume the one's who argue against the law that it's ok to be illegal. It is ok not to pay there fair share of taxes & it's ok to do what-ever the illegal please. I for one think it is not right they are here illegal taking our jobs at a cheaper rate by a greedy company. I have nothing against any race just go through the proper channel get your legal papers & S.S. Card & pay your taxes like everybody else. This is my opinion & sticking to it. RTR!

 

[Bama Reb]

If anyone wondered why the feds are so lax on our immigration laws, here's a tidbit for you.

Obama's uncle held by immigration authorities
President Barack Obama's uncle was stopped on suspicion of drunken driving in Massachusetts, told police he planned to arrange bail through the White House and is being held without bail by federal immigration officials, authorities said Monday.

http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-uncle-held-immigration-authorities-222253327.html

Yep. So it's when you thought ALABAMA's immigration law couldn't get any worse? Uh huh...