Alabama QBs in 2024

[BamaMoon]

Agreed and well stated. If I had to make a guess right now, JM is absolutely the best guess as to who will start the first game. He has a full year starting experience in the SEC, won a conf title, led his team to the playoffs, had a surprisingly high QBR rating, and by all accounts proved himself to be an absolutely WONDERFUL teammate.

Why Bama fans want to come on here and berate a young man like him is completely beyond me.

Bty the way I understand and agree there will obviously be open competition at every position and it should be that way. I am just NOT ready to write off Milroe.

Another post stating any critique of JM's skills equals one "berating a young man."

You realize there were players like our center and left guard who were critiqued during the season due to their lackluster play? This is why discussion boards exist.

It's not about "the young man" it's about his shortcomings as a QB and now this is being driven even more so by looking at the type of QB CKD needs to run his offense.

It's like @Cruloc (IIRC) recently posted that what the new offensive scheme requires is the opposite of some of Jalen's worse weaknesses (presnap reads/quick passes).

None of this means JM might not overcome these weaknesses and ascend to the starting role, it just means he has a steeper curve to do so.

And, as many have said before, if he could make the changes and do it, this will be a great story to add to JM's story. Nobody is rooting against him doing it. The "discussions" about him are just discussions about "football" not him as a person.

 

[BamaSully]

Another post stating any critique of JM's skills equals one "berating a young man."

You realize there were players like our center and left guard who were critiqued during the season due to their lackluster play? This is why discussion boards exist.

It's not about "the young man" it's about his shortcomings as a QB and now this is being driven even more so by looking at the type of QB CKD needs to run his offense.

It's like @Cruloc (IIRC) recently posted that what the new offensive scheme requires is the opposite of some of Jalen's worse weaknesses (presnap reads/quick passes).

None of this means JM might not overcome these weaknesses and ascend to the starting role, it just means he has a steeper curve to do so.

And, as many have said before, if he could make the changes and do it, this will be a great story to add to JM's story. Nobody is rooting against him doing it. The "discussions" about him are just discussions about "football" not him as a person.

Well if everyone said what you just said my post would not have been necessary. Maybe “berate” was a touch dramatic on my part. My issue is with just writing him off as if the coaches should just tell him to leave and go ahead and start working with someone else now. As if what he brings to the table is worthless. That is what is I hate to see. He does bring something to the table and I am anxiously and eagerly waiting to see how much progress he can make in the new system.

I would like to think most anything I post on here I would also stand and say face to face to the person. If not, then I shouldn’t post it. I would hate to think some of you would be willing to stand and tell JM “you ain’t no QB and you need to leave”. If you would, I don’t want to be a fellow fan of the same team with you.

 

[Ledsteplin]

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In response to part of your post:
What else is JM supposed to say?
I don't know if he can pick up the new offense or not. If he does then great and if he doesn't then at least he will give it his best shot.
I can agree with you on a couple of things w/JM: he seems like a very good "kid" and certainly seems like a good leader. I don't think those things can be disputed by anyone regardless of where anyone stands on his QB ability.

At this point, I don't know that any of the QBs can pick it up, save for Mack who's been in the system in practice for a year. But to say Jalen can't do it is just silly.

 

[BamaMoon]

Well if everyone said what you just said my post would not have been necessary. Maybe “berate” was a touch dramatic on my part. My issue is with just writing him off as if the coaches should just tell him to leave and go ahead and start working with someone else now. As if what he brings to the table is worthless. That is what is I hate to see. He does bring something to the table and I am anxiously and eagerly waiting to see how much progress he can make in the new system.

I would like to think most anything I post on here I would also stand and say face to face to the person. If not, then I shouldn’t post it. I would hate to think some of you would be willing to stand and tell JM “you ain’t no QB and you need to leave”. If you would, I don’t want to be a fellow fan of the same team with you.

I think we all struggle with "hyperbole" at times. I think if someone says "JM isn't a QB" or "Coach should just tell him to leave" it's hyperbolic, but probably based on the belief he won't be able to make the adjustment. It would be better to say he's going to struggle than to say he can't, but again it's easy to drift to hyperbole.

I'm guilty. I said Jalen Hurts would never play a down in the NFL. Boy was I wrong. It's why I won't say Milroe CAN'T change. But I can say, he's got a lot of changes to make and I think that's accurate.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I think we all struggle with "hyperbole" at times. I think if someone says "JM isn't a QB" or "Coach should just tell him to leave" it's hyperbolic, but probably based on the belief he won't be able to make the adjustment. It would be better to say he's going to struggle than to say he can't, but again it's easy to drift to hyperbole.

I'm guilty. I said Jalen Hurts would never play a down in the NFL. Boy was I wrong. It's why I won't say Milroe CAN'T change. But I can say, he's got a lot of changes to make and I think that's accurate.

so you are saying Milroe needs Lincoln Riley?

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Well if everyone said what you just said my post would not have been necessary. Maybe “berate” was a touch dramatic on my part. My issue is with just writing him off as if the coaches should just tell him to leave and go ahead and start working with someone else now. As if what he brings to the table is worthless. That is what is I hate to see. He does bring something to the table and I am anxiously and eagerly waiting to see how much progress he can make in the new system.

I would like to think most anything I post on here I would also stand and say face to face to the person. If not, then I shouldn’t post it. I would hate to think some of you would be willing to stand and tell JM “you ain’t no QB and you need to leave”. If you would, I don’t want to be a fellow fan of the same team with you.

Honest question here: What did you see last year that most others did not? Because most of us did not see quick throws or quick decision making. Now, if we have missed something please enlighten the rest of us. We'll wait.

Second, please don't come on a MESSAGE BOARD and tell others what opinion they should and should not have.

Third, unless you have this same message for people who were critiquing the oline, receivers (at times), the defensive line play (at times), don't come in here getting all in a wad over one player. And I'll venture to say that you were not this passionately outspoken on the critique of any other players/units.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

At this point, I don't know that any of the QBs can pick it up, save for Mack who's been in the system in practice for a year. But to say Jalen can't do it is just silly.

The rest of us don't know either but would like to see a truly open qb competition to see who can and a decision made by a coach as to who will be best suited to help the team win and not just who is most liked in the locker room/by the fans.

 

[BamaMoon]

so you are saying Milroe needs Lincoln Riley?

Yeah, the JH did it so why can't JM argument, often leaves off that little bit of reality and it forgets JH sat a year behind Tua even before going to OK.

So it's not "6 one; half dozen the other" type analogy but it also doesn't mean JM can't change. Anything's possible.

 

[Scobaman]

At this point, I don't know that any of the QBs can pick it up, save for Mack who's been in the system in practice for a year. But to say Jalen can't do it is just silly.

All of our QB's need the opportunity to excel in the new offense. CKD will play the one or two who give Bama the best chance to win. It doesn't matter which QB starts as long as he runs the offense better than the players in line behind him.

 

[Tidelines]

It's amazing to me how some don't see Milroe's faults as a QB. I see his strengths. I see how good a runner he is. I see how pretty a ball he throws. I saw how affective his deep throws were early in the season. I guess that's what his supporters see. So how come they can't see what he does poorly? If you know much about the game it's pretty evident. It's about football man. Who gives us the best chance to win against the big boys. To be accused of hating our own player of is low rent.

 

[gtgilbert]

Yeah, the JH did it so why can't JM argument, often leaves off that little bit of reality and it forgets JH sat a year behind Tua even before going to OK.

So it's not "6 one; half dozen the other" type analogy but it also doesn't mean JM can't change. Anything's possible.

it also leaves out the part I've said over and over, that Hurts as a true freshman was significantly further along in mechanics, arm strength, accuracy, field vision, ability to process the field, and ability to make reads than Milroe was at the end of his third year. That doesn't mean Milroe couldn't some how close the gap, it's just that it's a really, really big gap to close. If Milroe, right now, had been doing a lot of the things Hurts was doing at the end of his first year, then I'd be more optimistic, but that's just not the case unfortunately.

 

[bamadwain]

I have nothing against Milroe, but he is a run first QB, he does throw a very good deep ball but good defense will take that away, if Ty Simpson wins the job he'll be a Heisman finalist

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I have nothing against Milroe, but he is a run first QB, he does throw a very good deep ball but good defense will take that away, if Ty Simpson wins the job he'll be a Heisman finalist

He is more of a "throw it deep" first type of QB than a run first. He would overlook or not see open receivers in intermediate routes to throw deep to a guy who was either blanketed or double-covered. That's one of several things that he never seemed to get better at as the season went on. I have no issue hitting the deep ball, but when you've got a receiver or multiple receivers wide open in the 10-20 yard range in the middle of the field that's where the ball needs to go, not thrown to a wr already covered deep down the field.

 

[smith5753]

True, but Hurts as a freshman was further ahead in knowing/reading/reacting to defenses than Milroe was at the end of his 3rd year. In the first season, Hurts was making a couple of reads on each play at least; typically the give/keep on run option, then the run/pass on the pass read if he didn't give. There were some instances of multiple pass reads as well, but that was kinda a growth area for sure. Contrast that to Milroe, who at the end of his third season, wasn't executing RPOs and was being told from the sideline before the snap if he should give or keep based on an assistants guess. Hurts in his 3rd year at 'Bama was getting through progressions and was miles and miles and miles ahead of where Milroe is now. The time at UO definitely put a lot of final polish on the skillset, but Hurts did make steady, visible progress in his 3 years. I think what kinda set Hurts back was in having to start the first season, and in having to have the passing game and read packages developed for him slowly (not a knock on him, there is a reason there are not that many true freshmen starters at QB), he ended up with a lot more trust in his legs (and rightfully so at the time) than his arm, and that stuck with him to the point that the next year he ended up running more than he should have, when he should have passed, and he had 4 first round receivers who were often open and not getting the ball.

I agree with what you’re saying for sure. For our sake and Milroe’s, we have to hope his lack of development falls back on the coaching he received from BOB and that maybe this staff can unlock his potential.

 

[smith5753]

I have nothing against Milroe, but he is a run first QB, he does throw a very good deep ball but good defense will take that away, if Ty Simpson wins the job he'll be a Heisman finalist

Ty has wheels as well!

 

[BamaSully]

Honest question here: What did you see last year that most others did not? Because most of us did not see quick throws or quick decision making. Now, if we have missed something please enlighten the rest of us. We'll wait.

Second, please don't come on a MESSAGE BOARD and tell others what opinion they should and should not have.

Third, unless you have this same message for people who were critiquing the oline, receivers (at times), the defensive line play (at times), don't come in here getting all in a wad over one player. And I'll venture to say that you were not this passionately outspoken on the critique of any other players/units.

I’ll do my best…

I didn’t see anything you didn’t see. I am just not willing to write the kid off until we see how much progress he makes between now and September.

2nd…of course I can come on here and tell you what I think about your comments. In fact I’ll double down and say it again. If you’re one of those who will say JM will never be our starter this fall, before you’ve given him a chance to learn the system and improve and before you’ve given the coaches a chance to evaluate and determine if he actually might give us the best chance of winning this fall, then I say you’re just a little dumb. JK


My message is the same for anyone. Please be nice and please be realistic and give the kids a chance. That’s the message.

thank you sir

 

[BamaMoon]

He is more of a "throw it deep" first type of QB than a run first. He would overlook or not see open receivers in intermediate routes to throw deep to a guy who was either blanketed or double-covered. That's one of several things that he never seemed to get better at as the season went on. I have no issue hitting the deep ball, but when you've got a receiver or multiple receivers wide open in the 10-20 yard range in the middle of the field that's where the ball needs to go, not thrown to a wr already covered deep down the field.

The is so nuanced. You are right that he'd rather "throw deep" than run. The irony is his legs help him more as a passer and could potentially cause those DBs who are deep in double coverage to stop the long ball to start drifting up so he could throw the long ball. But instead, he struggles to "read" the RPO and abandon the pocket to do the things he's the very best at, which is to get north and south.

It's what makes his case so multi-featured. It's not just one thing he's got to fix but a sequence of things.

 

[BamaSully]

It's amazing to me how some don't see Milroe's faults as a QB. I see his strengths. I see how good a runner he is. I see how pretty a ball he throws. I saw how affective his deep throws were early in the season. I guess that's what his supporters see. So how come they can't see what he does poorly? If you know much about the game it's pretty evident. It's about football man. Who gives us the best chance to win against the big boys. To be accused of hating our own player of is low rent.

I see the weaknesses. He made a lot of improvement during the season and then the better defensive staffs caught up to those improvements by seasons end. He was going to need to make more improvements this off-season with or without the coaching change.

I think the difference is that I still believe in his ability to improve and I can’t wait to see how he does and I hope he doesn’t read tidefans and find out a bunch of Bama fans have completely given up on him and written him off!

 

[cbi1972]

I hope he doesn’t read tidefans and find out a bunch of Bama fans have completely given up on him and written him off!

He already has a trademarked slogan for them.

We all hope he can do it, but whether doubt is pessimism or realism remains to be seen.

 

[BamaSully]

He already has a trademarked slogan for them.

We all hope he can do it, but whether doubt is pessimism or realism remains to be seen.

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