Alabama's 1978 schedule vs. 2015

[81usaf92]

A perfect example of being misleading. O'Leary never coached a game and Baer was interim coach for 1 game. And you left off a very good coach in Kelly. With that being said, your overall point was valid.

Visionary ? You seem to have trouble interpreting or even reporting the past and present.

He has a valid point considering he is being arbitrary in regards to the time period he was tasked to explain. I said 75, which that would include Dan Devine,Gerry Faust, and Lou Holtz. I know Faust and many others from 75 til now were horrible, but its not like Bama didn't have our share of horrible coaches as well. Point is he has no argument if he includes Dan Devine , Lou Holtz, and Brian Kelly to his point. Its like saying Mike Dubose to Mike Shula.

 

[TUSKtimes]

You keep referring to the '78 season as though it was murder's row. As I've noted before, but of course no response from you, the '78 team played 5 ranked teams, last year's team played 8. In the last 8 years Bama has AVERAGED more games against ranked teams, 6.5, than the '78 team played, 5.


You and pertinent facts seem to be strangers. What is your agenda ?

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you. I mentioned the 1978 schedule because we were playing major college teams. How meaningful that is to you today is entirely up to you. Coach Bryant thought the schedule was highly significant at the time. Me too.

My point is that it was a more enjoyable weekly experience for the fans. Not advocating any particular past schedule. I'm ready for an upgrade.

 

[TUSKtimes]

He has a valid point considering he is being arbitrary in regards to the time period he was tasked to explain. I said 75, which that would include Dan Devine,Gerry Faust, and Lou Holtz. I know Faust and many others from 75 til now were horrible, but its not like Bama didn't have our share of horrible coaches as well. Point is he has no argument if he includes Dan Devine , Lou Holtz, and Brian Kelly to his point. Its like saying Mike Dubose to Mike Shula.

Dan Devin and Lou Holtz won titles. Those were not hard times during their reign. If you blame ND's fall on the SOS, it won't work after Holtz.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Quit feeding in to the idiocy guys.

Until we install a video game like schedule, playing 12 ranked teams every year, some people won't be happy. Those people don't care about winning, don't care about the athletes, and certainly don't care about reasonable opinions (or facts), they just want to be entertained like a Roman plebian watching two gladiators battle to the death.
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I said small beginnings. I'll take an extra conference game to start. I'll take an elimination of all FCS opponents to start. Reasonableness is the ability to compromise.

What are you reading?

 

[Con]

I was enjoying this thread until it turned into the same thread about "Adding the Citadel" to our schedule, but I will continue reading it anyway.

 

[BamaInBham]

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you. I mentioned the 1978 schedule because we were playing major college teams. How meaningful that is to you today is entirely up to you. Coach Bryant thought the schedule was highly significant at the time. Me too.

My point is that it was a more enjoyable weekly experience for the fans. Not advocating any particular past schedule. I'm ready for an upgrade.

You are right that name teams are more fun to play, but it is primarily a matter of money. P5 teams insist on a home and home series which means that Bama would lose a home game every 2 years for each P5 team played in lieu of a non-P5 team. That is a lot of money.

I agree it is more fun to play Purdue | Rutgers | Iowa State | Wake | etc. than Mid Tenn, but Mid Tenn was probably better than one or two of those last year. Not counting the money factor. West Ky last year, who Bama plays this year, ended up ranked num 24 in the final AP. But of course the name means little, thus not as much fun as Purdue or Maryland - though better.

Btw, I was around for the '78 season, it was a blast, but no more fun, IMO, than the last 8 Bama seasons.

 

[Matt0424]

I said small beginnings. I'll take an extra conference game to start. I'll take an elimination of all FCS opponents to start. Reasonableness is the ability to compromise.

What are you reading?

I'm sorry, and I don't want to be offensive, but you just don't get it.

There will never be a level playing field between the conferences. When the SEC fields the majority of the toughest schedules, making them tougher benefits only the other teams.

I have been a proponent of a 9 game SEC schedule ever since expansion began, but it makes little sense when OUR 8 game schedule is BETTER than anyone else's 9 game.

Unless you want to completely realign conferences, have everyone's schedules made via a computer program like the NFL, and move away from any resemblance of College football yoursuggestions come of as asinine.

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[BamaInBham]

I'm sorry, and I don't want to be offensive, but you just don't get it.

There will never be a level playing field between the conferences. When the SEC fields the majority of the toughest schedules, making them tougher benefits only the other teams.

I have been a proponent of a 9 game SEC schedule ever since expansion began, but it makes little sense when OUR 8 game schedule is BETTER than anyone else's 9 game.

Unless you want to completely realign conferences, have everyone's schedules made via a computer program like the NFL, and move away from any resemblance of College football yoursuggestions come of as asinine.

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Exactly. And Bama has been ranked 1 or 2 by the POC the first 2 years. And the highest ranked 1 loss team each year. The POC recognizes what you are saying.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Fan excitement? So you think it's more enjoyable watching the schedule Ohio State plays than the one Bama plays?

Seriously, tell the truth, you didn't read yourself to this point?

 

[TUSKtimes]

I'm sorry, and I don't want to be offensive, but you just don't get it.

There will never be a level playing field between the conferences. When the SEC fields the majority of the toughest schedules, making them tougher benefits only the other teams.

I have been a proponent of a 9 game SEC schedule ever since expansion began, but it makes little sense when OUR 8 game schedule is BETTER than anyone else's 9 game.

Unless you want to completely realign conferences, have everyone's schedules made via a computer program like the NFL, and move away from any resemblance of College football yoursuggestions come of as asinine.
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You had some reasonable thoughts in there. Maybe it's generational? We are moving to 9 games, that's a belief. That will move you a little closer over here. It's not far fetched that FCS schools go the way of the dinosaur, others speak on it now. That brings you another step this way. If we do make a total transition back to power 5, we are only doing what college football has already accomplished for the vast majority of it's history.
Maybe not so asinine.

 

[81usaf92]

Seriously, tell the truth, you didn't read yourself to this point?

tosu since Urban vs Bama

2012

I doubt even you could argue Bama's is better, unless you are one of those that think UAB is such a great football team

2013

Here we play a OOC P5 where they don't, but I suppose you would hold it against us that we play a FCS team

2014

Gee I wonder why they beat us in NOLA when WV was a better FPI than almost everyone on their schedule.

2015

WMU,VT,NIU,and flippin Hawaii are far better than Wisconsin,MTSU,La Monroe, and CSU

I think your only true argument may lie in the 2016 schedule, but that comes down to whether you like to play USC in the Jerry's world or Oklahoma in Norman, but overall pretty equal in OOC, but nowhere near each other in difficulty.

now if you prefer Scarlet over Crimson I can understand, but I don't see any big trial or tribulation that Ohio State has gone through in schedules nor do I see any huge excitement value in their scheduling since Urban landed in Columbus.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

In the continuing saga of 78 vs 15.....


OPPONENTS WITH A WEEK OFF BEFORE PLAYING ALABAMA*

(not including the opener or bowl games)

1978 Alabama
Tennessee (like....always)
Auburn

(Alabama had off weeks prior to the Missouri game and THREE WEEKS to get ready for Auburn)


2015
ULM
Texas AM
Tennessee
LSU
Miss St (did not have an off week but DID have TWO EXTRA DAYS while Alabama was playing LSU)

Alabama had one off-week prior to LSU.

 

[KrAzY3]

I was enjoying this thread until it turned into the same thread about "Adding the Citadel" to our schedule, but I will continue reading it anyway.

I was hoping for a bit of the actual discussion of, you know 1978 vs 2015, then and now sort of thing, heh. No one seems to want to argue about the assertions I made though, so go figure.

The closest we've come to discussing the schedule was Notre Dame, which is a bit of a throw-back to the era in which there was a small conference schedule and a team could really pick how they wanted it to be. By the way, I still commend them on their 2012 schedule. They didn't dodge tough matchups. Having said that, Alabama still had a higher SoS than Notre Dame did that year. So there's Notre Dame, with 0 FCS opponents, all Power 5 with the exception of Navy and BYU, huge name recognition, and their schedule was still easier than Alabama's! Now imagine how hard Alabama's schedule would be if they added that on top of the SEC West schedule? It would be insane. The irony is that the field was only leveled when Notre Dame did it and Alabama didn't. That's how to level the playing field, they have to do it, the SEC West doesn't. If anyone wants to talk about a level playing field they should acknowledge that.

The one big takeaway I get from the schedules is that unless you are independent, you just can't make schedules like you used to be able to do in the 70s and the truth is an SEC West schedule is tougher now anyway. The reason you can't schedule like that is because of more conference games! You can't really argue for both, there's no room to expand the conference schedule and then still go around the country scheduling Power 5 schools. No one is doing that. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the Pac 12 and Big 10 did have plans for there to be an annual cross conference game, the Pac-12 Big 10 Alliance. They backed out of that, and on what grounds? It would make the schedule too difficult...

Generally speaking I do want to say this. I don't really have a problem with someone saying I want a ninth conference game, or I don't want to see FCS opponents. Everyone has a right to that opinion. I just want people to be aware of the consequences. That's why I think comparing past and present helps. FCS games replace what used to be a bye week for instance. Additional conference games replace what used to be bigger OOC opponents. So, I think it is fine to talk about what we want, but what is sacrificed to gain that is part of the discussion.

Seriously, tell the truth, you didn't read yourself to this point?

I get the feeling I'm being ignored by you, but look... I'd otherwise feel a bit sorry for you because you are obviously outnumbered. The thing is, when I started clicking dislike in the other thread (and you retaliated by just finding my last few posts and doing the same) is you started getting necessarily snide with your remarks. Posts like this contribute nothing at all to the conversation, and the fact is people here have indulged you a great deal. We've cited statistics, we've done research, we're not just saying you're wrong, we're providing information. Retorts like this, or "You mean in your alternate universe?", or making a comment about tax returns when someone posts significant statistical information rebutting your assertions... c'mon man. You can disagree and have your own view of how you want things to be but you're not strengthening your argument with things like that.

 

[TUSKtimes]

A Graphic twilight zone moment. Thanks 81.

 

[81usaf92]

A Graphic twilight zone moment. Thanks 81.

Another 5th grade remark from a person that claims to have lived through the 78 season.


I'm done arguing with you if all you are going to do is give snide remarks and offer little to no evidence to support your often erroneous claims and points of emphasis.I along with many others have given you facts to support our side of the conversation and yet you can't produce one once of solid evidence or atleast attempt to have a somewhat intelligent conversation while hiding behind your self titled assertion that you are a "rational" fan. Like Krazy said, there is a difference between not agreeing and being condescending.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Another 5th grade remark from a person that claims to have lived through the 78 season.




I'm done arguing with you if all you are going to do is give snide remarks and offer little to no evidence to support your often erroneous claims and points of emphasis.I along with many others have given you facts to support our side of the conversation and yet you can't produce one once of solid evidence or atleast attempt to have a somewhat intelligent conversation while hiding behind your self titled assertion that you are a "rational" fan. Like Krazy said, there is a difference between not agreeing and being condescending.

You are not addressing any single point I've made. Your not even acknowledging the point of difference. For some reason you think I'm comparing team's schedule to each other. Then I see one chart in front of the other to explain we have a tougher schedule than Ohio State and the gang.

It's just not my argument. I'm more than willing to concede Bama had the best SOS last season. Bama fans take immense pride in such stuff. I take special pride in knowing that we keep getting everyone's best effort after their bye week. You would think the noise we've made at the SEC office would have stopped so much of it. I think we had 4.

All to say, Bama being number one and still overcoming all this adversity, just makes the NC that much more memorable. But I'm discussing getting rid of some cupcake OOC games off every team's schedule in the power 5.

 

[81usaf92]

You are not addressing any single point I've made. Your not even acknowledging the point of difference. For some reason you think I'm comparing team's schedule to each other. Then I see one chart in front of the other to explain we have a tougher schedule than Ohio State and the gang.

It's just not my argument. I'm more than willing to concede Bama had the best SOS last season. Bama fans take immense pride in such stuff. I take special pride in knowing that we keep getting everyone's best effort after their bye week. You would think the noise we've made at the SEC office would have stopped so much of it. I think we had 4.

All to say, Bama being number one and still overcoming all this adversity, just makes the NC that much more memorable. But I'm discussing getting rid of some cupcake OOC games off every team's schedule in the power 5.

you are hopeless and in denial or just a troll getting kicks. Again there is enough evidence to rebutt but I'm expecting another snide or beat around the bush remark instead of a solid point. Also your argument changes by every post so what is your central argument what is your central evidence.because you keep citing on how great tosu is for not scheduling fcs opponents, then we show you the SOS rankings. But then you say that you are talking about the "excitement" factor, and so I show you it's really no difference between the two with the exception of Alabama having a harder road overall. Then you revert to childish remarks when we address each individual remark, and also say we haven't addressed one of your issues with the subject.

 

[chris]

Brings back memories........first Bama game my dad and I attended together was USC,Charles White ran all over us,went to the Florida,Miss St.,and L.S.U. games(was married following L.S.U. game) and saw Washington game on cctv in Coleman Coliseum.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

If we eliminate FCS opponents the biggest losers are the FCS schools that we (corporate SEC we) pay to play every year. A significant portion of the athletic budgets from these schools comes from the revenue they make traveling to play BCS teams.

http://www.athleticbusiness.com/spo...-likely-to-impact-scheduling-fcs-budgets.html


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[dtgreg]

You are not addressing any single point I've made. Your not even acknowledging the point of difference. For some reason you think I'm comparing team's schedule to each other. Then I see one chart in front of the other to explain we have a tougher schedule than Ohio State and the gang.

It's just not my argument. I'm more than willing to concede Bama had the best SOS last season. Bama fans take immense pride in such stuff. I take special pride in knowing that we keep getting everyone's best effort after their bye week. You would think the noise we've made at the SEC office would have stopped so much of it. I think we had 4.

All to say, Bama being number one and still overcoming all this adversity, just makes the NC that much more memorable. But I'm discussing getting rid of some cupcake OOC games off every team's schedule in the power 5.

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