another idiot protecting us from tyranny or something

[uafan4life]

Maybe a small point but the Army term is "locked and loaded " (and an adjective) or "lock and load" (as a verb, a command from the control tower on a firing range).
This means that the magazine is locked in the magazine well, and the first round is chambered, ready for firing.
"Cocked and locked" seems out of sequence.
Admittedly, I have scant experience with revolvers.

Oh, I'm very familiar with the Army phrase.

I'm not sure about it's origin - and it's most likely a misuse common among civilians - but it comes from the phrase "cocked, locked, and ready to rock".

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Oh, I'm very familiar with the Army phrase.

I'm not sure about it's origin - and it's most likely a misuse common among civilians - but it comes from the phrase "cocked, locked, and ready to rock".

With all my guns, my finger doesn't go through that trigger guard until I'm ready to fire. From the witness reports, these guys had their fingers through the guard and on the trigger. That's just begging for a ND...

 

[mittman]

With all my guns, my finger doesn't go through that trigger guard until I'm ready to fire. From the witness reports, these guys had their fingers through the guard and on the trigger. That's just begging for a ND...

Yup, that's Plaxico Burress level dumb

 

[Tidewater]

Yup, that's Plaxico Burress level dumb

I remember Burruss explaining why he was packing (illegally): "Man, that place is dangerous. You have to pack just to go there."
I thought, "Heck, Plaxico, how about not going someplace that dangerous."

 

[Crimson1967]

I remember Burruss explaining why he was packing (illegally): "Man, that place is dangerous. You have to pack just to go there."
I thought, "Heck, Plaxico, how about not going someplace that dangerous."

I tend to steer clear of bars where you need a gun to feel safe.


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[Tidewater]

I tend to steer clear of bars where you need a gun to feel safe.

Ditto. I was just imagining Burrus' handlers saying, "Hey, Plaxico, let's just stay in, and order some beers be brought to us?"

 

[uafan4life]

With all my guns, my finger doesn't go through that trigger guard until I'm ready to fire. From the witness reports, these guys had their fingers through the guard and on the trigger. That's just begging for a ND...

Like I said - whatever the reason, stupidity was involved.

 

[Tidewater]

Oh, I'm very familiar with the Army phrase.

I'm not sure about it's origin - and it's most likely a misuse common among civilians - but it comes from the phrase "cocked, locked, and ready to rock".

Sorry. I wasn't trying to be patronizing. I had forgotten about your military experience.

If these jokers were carrying AR-15s, and they chamber a round, i don't see how the hammer cannot be back. The only thing keeping it from going off is the safety being engaged and the owner keeping his finger out of the trigger well. That said, I seriously doubt dropping it, if safe, would cause it to go off. Military-grade AR-15s are engineered to not go off. Now some knock-off AR-15 might allow a cocked hammer to fall if the rifle is dropped accidentally, but I doubt a Colt would.
The whole thing is weird. I'd bet the dude had clicked off the safe and had a round chambered and was not trigger aware, then made the "I dropped my rifle and it went off" story up.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Sorry. I wasn't trying to be patronizing. I had forgotten about your military experience.

If these jokers were carrying AR-15s, and they chamber a round, i don't see how the hammer cannot be back. The only thing keeping it from going off is the safety being engaged and the owner keeping his finger out of the trigger well. That said, I seriously doubt dropping it, if safe, would cause it to go off. Military-grade AR-15s are engineered to not go off. Now some knock-off AR-15 might allow a cocked hammer to fall if the rifle is dropped accidentally, but I doubt a Colt would.
The whole thing is weird. I'd bet the dude had clicked off the safe and had a round chambered and was not trigger aware, then made the "I dropped my rifle and it went off" story up.

I don't think even the so-called "FrankenARs" would discharge upon being dropped. I know that the brand names never would. (Mine is an S&W.) I personally believe that weapons intended for home defense (HD) without a round chambered are almost useless. I have a variety of defense layers to let me know that I have intruders before they know I know. The last thing I want is for them to hear me chambering a round with my AR's charging handle or racking the slide on my 9mm...

 

[nx4bama]

I don't think even the so-called "FrankenARs" would discharge upon being dropped. I know that the brand names never would. (Mine is an S&W.) I personally believe that weapons intended for home defense (HD) without a round chambered are almost useless. I have a variety of defense layers to let me know that I have intruders before they know I know. The last thing I want is for them to hear me chambering a round with my AR's charging handle or racking the slide on my 9mm...

I bought a pump shotgun for exactly the opposite reason. I thought, "Maybe I won't actually have to shoot someone if they hear me chamber a round..." I have 2 very young little boys though, so I'd be afraid to keep a loaded gun in the house anyway.

 

[KentuckianaBFan]

I don't think even the so-called "FrankenARs" would discharge upon being dropped. I know that the brand names never would. (Mine is an S&W.) I personally believe that weapons intended for home defense (HD) without a round chambered are almost useless. I have a variety of defense layers to let me know that I have intruders before they know I know. The last thing I want is for them to hear me chambering a round with my AR's charging handle or racking the slide on my 9mm...

Now there's an idea for an intruder alarm--in stead of a horn or tone, the sound of 8 or 10 9mm slides slamming shut...

 

[Tidewater]

I bought a pump shotgun for exactly the opposite reason. I thought, "Maybe I won't actually have to shoot someone if they hear me chamber a round..." I have 2 very young little boys though, so I'd be afraid to keep a loaded gun in the house anyway.

I was thinking the same thing as I read Earl's post. He said, "The last thing I want is for them to hear me chambering a round with my AR's charging handle or racking the slide on my 9mm..."
I thought, maybe that is exactly the thing you want them to hear. And then I recalled someone who said (maybe on this very forum) that for an intruder, "the scariest sound in the world is a pump-action shotgun being loaded."
I guess it depends on your objective. Earl's seems to be, if someone breaks into his house, well, they may be unlikely to survive. You seem to be aiming for the "scare them out of the house" approach. Either is fine in my book. The presence of young children would seem to be a deciding factor. I'm pretty sure Earl does not have young'uns around the house.

 

[92tide]

I bought a pump shotgun for exactly the opposite reason. I thought, "Maybe I won't actually have to shoot someone if they hear me chamber a round..." I have 2 very young little boys though, so I'd be afraid to keep a loaded gun in the house anyway.

with a young 'un in the house, my guns are all unloaded, trigger locked and put away and the ammo is stored separately. someone comes in my house, i'll have to handle it with baseball bats and kitchen knives

 

[Tidewater]

Now there's an idea for an intruder alarm--in stead of a horn or tone, the sound of 8 or 10 9mm slides slamming shut...

I was just thinking. If I was a member of a grand jury (or trial) jury and a member of my community shot and killed an intruder in his own house, it would take a lot for me to bring a true bill (or convict). Like, after shooting the intruder, posing with the body like it was a big game trophy kind of "a lot" or all the wounds were in the intruders back after he had left the property and run across the street, kind of "a lot." I would just be really unlikely to return a true bill or convict for anything less than that. The intruder knows he does not live there. He deserves pretty much whatever happens to him once he breaks into a house.
Don't want to get shot by a home owner? Don't break in to someone else's house.

A Columbus, Ohio man was indicted for shooting an intruder three times in the back on his own patio. The grand jury determined the intruder was fleeing and no longer a threat. I just don't know I would have returned a true bill on that. I may be in the minority but I have little patience with folks who engage in B&E.

 

[nx4bama]

I was thinking the same thing as I read Earl's post. He said, "The last thing I want is for them to hear me chambering a round with my AR's charging handle or racking the slide on my 9mm..."
I thought, maybe that is exactly the thing you want them to hear. And then I recalled someone who said (maybe on this very forum) that for an intruder, "the scariest sound in the world is a pump-action shotgun being loaded."
I guess it depends on your objective. Earl's seems to be, if someone breaks into his house, well, they may be unlikely to survive. You seem to be aiming for the "scare them out of the house" approach. Either is fine in my book. The presence of young children would seem to be a deciding factor. I'm pretty sure Earl does not have young'uns around the house.

My dad always said he was firing the first shot through the floor or the ceiling.... and I thought, I don't think I want to repair a hole in either of those. So I opted for pump action to potentially serve the same purpose.

 

[nx4bama]

with a young 'un in the house, my guns are all unloaded, trigger locked and put away and the ammo is stored separately. someone comes in my house, i'll have to handle it with baseball bats and kitchen knives

I have mine in a gun safe with the aforementioned pump shotgun stowed away in the closet where neither of my boys can get to it ... yet. I'm sure I'll have to rethink my strategy in the next few years.

 

[Tidewater]

My dad always said he was firing the first shot through the floor or the ceiling.... and I thought, I don't think I want to repair a hole in either of those. So I opted for pump action to potentially serve the same purpose.

Yup. Of course, you might need to clean up a stain as the intruder soils himself on the way out the door.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Well, for starters, we are empty nesters. I have had to change my habits when we have small grandchildren in house. Of course, there aren't even many of those left. My situation is unique in several ways. In my house, it's probably 35' from my bedside, where my AR resides, to a sharp corner and then only 10' or so between me and the door where there would be at least a 95% chance entry of choice, particularly if forcible, for quite a number of reasons, would be attempted. IOW, not much room for error. My AR is set up with a red dot sight for quick target acquisition and a blinding tactical light. So my battle plan, if you will, is to round the corner, turn on the light and acquire target - all silently until the light comes on. I will be alerted before they know I'm ready. I don't want to alert them - in any way. The way home invasions have been going around here, they come in twos and threes, usually the latter. My house, sitting in the middle of 3 acres of woods is such a good target, I'm surprised it hasn't happened before. I simply need the surprise factor the way my house is built. (YMMV) I don't think any of you are familiar enough with my house or with my defense plan to second guess me. In fact, I'm mildly surprised that anyone who knows me, even casually as through this board, would do so...

 

[crimsonaudio]

I bought a pump shotgun for exactly the opposite reason. I thought, "Maybe I won't actually have to shoot someone if they hear me chamber a round..."

I'm not giving away where I am and risking getting shot by chambering a round - if someone is in my home, they've chosen to give up the right to be 'warned' as I automatically assume they are here to harm me or my family. If they have exquisite hearing they might hear the soft click to the safety switch on my shotgun, but after that it's going to get really loud really fast.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I'm not giving away where I am and risking getting shot by chambering a round - if someone is in my home, they've chosen to give up the right to be 'warned' as I automatically assume they are here to harm me or my family. If they have exquisite hearing they might hear the soft click to the safety switch on my shotgun, but after that it's going to get really loud really fast.

Since we don't currently have the "like" button, I'll have to agree wordily. When handled by knowledgeable adults, an AR with a round chambered (and a shotgun) is a safe weapon. Recently I had my oldest friend stay with us a couple of days. He wanted to see my AR. (He's an army vet and trained and used an M-16.) I told him it was chambered and on safe. I wish my AR didn't make an audible click, but, if I ever have to take it up, I'll take the safety off as soon as I lay hands on it...