And yet since Coach Bryant passed we've won 4 national titles and they've won 1. Yes the series is close but the overall success of the program isn't. Which matters more?
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Much, much better than Auburn leading 18-15. It hurts to be called out by Ms. Terry as a spoiled fan base but every day this week I'm being reminded that this could very well be true. Jess N is probably correct in his article starting this thread but he might be as spoiled as the rest of us. No one enjoys losing, especially to the Barn and the spoiled Bama fan base didn't lose this game. The point is that we stick together and quit passing blame around and become stronger because of this loss. I've dealt with set backs all my life and I learned early on that it is better to use that setback to my advantage and become stronger because of it than to dwell on it and let it ruin my life. Hey! We've got another #1 recruiting class coming in and we're just going to be stronger. If every team in the SEC was truthful, they would admit that they would love to have what we have at the Capstone. Roll Tide
Funny you mention this I had an LSU friend of mind call me the day after the game to tell me he'd give his left (insert whatever example makes you laugh) for LSU to have gone on the run Bama has even if it meant ending the run the way it ended Saturday night. He said what we've won FAAAAAR outweighs what we lost. He's right.
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This thread makes the vein on the side of my head throb. The notion that Saban hasn't dominated Auburn is reactionary in the worst way. If the ball doesn't leave Mark Inrgram's hands, then travel 20 yards parallel to the side line out the back of the end zone, and we make one FG Saturday, the narrative would be completely different.
CNS lost with an inferior roster in 2007 and since has completely destroyed API 3 times, lost a couple of nail biters, and won a nail biter. He's also managed to stock the trophy case in a way that nobody ever dreamed was possible. It's an oblong ball that takes funny hops sometimes folks. Implying that something is broken or that a drastic change is needed because of one outcome would be the definition of results oriented thinking.
CNS lost with an inferior roster in 2007 and since has completely destroyed API 3 times, lost a couple of nail biters, and won a nail biter. He's also managed to stock the trophy case in a way that nobody ever dreamed was possible. It's an oblong ball that takes funny hops sometimes folks. Implying that something is broken or that a drastic change is needed because of one outcome would be the definition of results oriented thinking.
I think we all agree what matters more. I was just pointing out the series is closer than you'd expect. Maybe that's because the game is their NC game, but not ours?
Since the record implies that they upset us a good bit, then that leads to asking the question of how many of these upsets have cost us championships?
With Nick Saban, Alabama is 4-1 vs Auburn when Alabama has the better team. They could easily be 5-0.
Auburn, on the other hand, is 1-4 when Alabama has the better team, and they had no chance at all in the 3 of the 4 losses. None. They were DESTROYED.
I am only talking about seasons in which Alabama had the better team for a reason - because Alabama is going to have the better team every year for the forseeable future. You will probably continue to win 80% of your games against Auburn during that span.
No, you will not be perfect. You are going to slip up every once in a while, and it is going to hurt. But Saban is not Cooper, and Cooper was no slouch as a head coach.
Auburn, on the other hand, is 1-4 when Alabama has the better team, and they had no chance at all in the 3 of the 4 losses. None. They were DESTROYED.
I am only talking about seasons in which Alabama had the better team for a reason - because Alabama is going to have the better team every year for the forseeable future. You will probably continue to win 80% of your games against Auburn during that span.
No, you will not be perfect. You are going to slip up every once in a while, and it is going to hurt. But Saban is not Cooper, and Cooper was no slouch as a head coach.
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With Saban as your head coach, you have only lost once (this past week) with the better team. They had the better team in 2007 and 2010.
Possibly so. But looking at the big picture has it really killed us?
Alabama
2008: 12-2
2009: 14-0 (National Title)
2010: 10-3
2011: 12-1 (National Title)
2012: 13-1 (National Title)
2013: 11-1 (Bowl game yet to be played)
Auburn
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010: 14-0 (National Title)
2011: 8-5
2012: 3-9
2013: 11-1 (Bowl game yet to be played)
It may very well change Saturday, but right now - none.
Btw I agreed with your previous post. Maybe said better this is it in a nutshell.
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I agree about the Saban era, but I wasn't talking about just the Saban era. I'm talking overall record. We're only about 8 wins ahead on the series record.
I see - I guess that I really don't care about that stuff because it is not a leading indicator of future results. What has happened under Saban is, as he is still here. Too many other things played into previous results that are no longer in play.
I wasn't trying to analyze it. I just noted it's a curious thing and was scratching my head at the implications is all.
I think the biggest concern should be for Auburn. How can the series be that close yet the overall success of the two programs since Bryant left be so far apart? What conclusions can one draw from that fact?
I was including Bryant in my comments. The conclusion I would draw from what you said is that our highs are higher, but our lows are lower. Considering the Mike years, that's probably a fair assessment.
We lead the series by winning 54 percent of the games. Coach Saban: 57 percent. Give them some credit.
And yes, I think it arrogant to say that they win only because we don't take the game as seriously. Sure, they are the perpetual underdog, but sometimes they are better than us and sometimes they are inexplicably lucky. That's sports, particularly in rivalry games.
The easy one, which is too simple an answer, is that they focus too much attention on Alabama to the detriment of their overall program. Success in the one area is outweighed by failures everywhere else.
And I'll take that. Because EVERY program experiences both. But if our highs mean periods of dominance and NC's then I'll gladly take our lows being lower.
Yall are reading way too much into what I'm saying. I just made the observation, that, that winning percentage is out of line when you compare the overall production of both programs. Wikipedia lists us with 832, Auburn with 714. We both know the NC and Conf Champ. differences.
I'm done picking nits on this thread.
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