Auburns fans coming unglued over Yeldon's change of heart

[BamaRevT]

Welcome to the TIDE Mr. Yeldon !! Looking for great things as we follow your career at the Capstone !!

 

[davefrat]

i see what you are saying, but how do you explain the stats showing a higher average act score for auburn admissions vs those to bama?

one reason may be that in many areas, the ACT is hardly ever taken. where i'm from no one takes it, they all take the SAT. in fact, until i went to alabama, i don't think i'd ever heard of anyone taking the ACT.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

so, where you in the Navy???

Well, he comes across as a troll, not a Bama fan. If he can't come up with a slim bona fides as a Bama fan, he'll be gone for good. He may have been in the Navy, or this whole persona may just be an invention...

 

[TideFan in AU]

Well, he comes across as a troll, not a Bama fan. If he can't come up with a slim bona fides as a Bama fan, he'll be gone for good. He may have been in the Navy, or this whole persona may just be an invention...

The longer they stay, the easier they are to sniff out.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

i see what you are saying, but how do you explain the stats showing a higher average act score for auburn admissions vs those to bama?

Part of the issue comes in what is called in academic circles "aggregation of test scores"....Alabama is one of the few schools in the country that doesn't allow it.

Here's the deal: the ACT consists of at least four parts -- maybe more now, I'm out of date. But for sake of illustration, let's say it's four. Alabama reports the highest score across all four segments achieved at any one sitting.

Most schools, including Auburn, report the highest score for each individual segment across however many times an individual sits for the test, then aggregates all of those highest segment scores into one reported score. In all probability, that reported score aggregates segment scores achieved across multiple sittings.

Run the numbers. It translates into a solid 1 - 3 points difference in reported scores.

But the eyes of a significant majority of people out there glaze over when having to deal with this level of statistical differentiation. So the boogs get away with it.

Yes, I know: We're shooting ourselves in the foot, and the UA folks should do a better job of reporting this.

They should say something along the lines of, "We believe the highest ACT score achieved in any one sitting is the best predictor of academic success in college. Based on that, the average score across all enrollees in our freshman class was XX. But if we calculated that average based on aggregation of segment scores achieved across multiple sittings, as most schools including other major in state schools, it would be YY. Which compares to their reported average of ZZ"

In fact, the practice of aggregation is so prevalent among major colleges that UA had to get the vendor to re-program the applicable software to accommodate their self-punitive logic.

This self-imposed handicap is incredibly frustrating on several fronts, and I've beaten my head against the proverbial wall trying to get them to change the approach. If anybody out there has more sway, please use it.

 

[JPT4Bama]

Part of the issue comes in what is called in academic circles "aggregation of test scores"....Alabama is one of the few schools in the country that doesn't allow it.

Here's the deal: the ACT consists of at least four parts -- maybe more now, I'm out of date. But for sake of illustration, let's say it's four. Alabama reports the highest score across all four segments achieved at any one sitting.

Most schools, including Auburn, report the highest score for each individual segment across however many times an individual sits for the test, then aggregates all of those highest segment scores into one reported score. In all probability, that reported score aggregates segment scores achieved across multiple sittings.

Run the numbers. It translates into a solid 1 - 3 points difference in reported scores.

But the eyes of a significant majority of people out there glaze over when having to deal with this level of statistical differentiation. So the boogs get away with it.

Yes, I know: We're shooting ourselves in the foot, and the UA folks should do a better job of reporting this.

They should say something along the lines of, "We believe the highest ACT score achieved in any one sitting is the best predictor of academic success in college. Based on that, the average score across all enrollees in our freshman class was XX. But if we calculated that average based on aggregation of segment scores achieved across multiple sittings, as most schools including other major in state schools, it would be YY. Which compares to their reported average of ZZ"

In fact, the practice of aggregation is so prevalent among major colleges that UA had to get the vendor to re-program the applicable software to accommodate their self-punitive logic.

This self-imposed handicap is incredibly frustrating on several fronts, and I've beaten my head against the proverbial wall trying to get them to change the approach. If anybody out there has more sway, please use it.

Well thanks, as I feel smarter just having read this. Seriously a very good explanation. :BigA: