Bama fans do understand that Mizzou fans stopped thinking Big10 long ago, right?

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Thank you.

I think there are several reasons for thinking Mizzou would be a good addition to the SEC.
Just reading this thread for the 1st time this morning. Thanks (and other Mizzou posters) for coming here and stating your case in such a professional way. There is change in the air and some of us adapt better than others. But at least some adapting is going to have to take place and we are going to have to get used to it. Looking at the landscape I personally think Mizzou would be a fit in the SEC. 1968 was my 1st yr at the Capstone and I still remember the Gator bowl that year. Dan Devine was a good coach and you gave us a butt whooping that day. I personally would enjoy indulging in a little pay back for that. I would not oppose (not that my opinion counts for anything) seeing Mizzou becoming a part of the SEC. Time will tell and if it happens, as for me welcome.
 

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Per last nite on ESPN a majority of SEC schools want Mizzou, but not the 9 required, meaning at least 4 teams object. Which schools would object to Mizzou? As others have pointed out they are the best geographic and financial fit of available teams (at least of the serious ones). They add to the conference in terms of academics and overall athletics. They bring much needed basketball strength to the conference. And it appears they truly want to be in the SEC. With the St. Louis market in hand, they bring to the SEC the ability to renogiate the TV contract up enough to cover their cost. I've been on the Mizzou bandwagon since day one and don't get the opposition. Anyone know which schools are objecting?
 

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Hello. I'm a new member and first time poster, but had recently seen a pretty decent summary someone had posted as to why Missouri would be an asset to your esteemed conference.

20 Facts About Missouri


Sorry if already posted, I haven't read through the entire thread yet.

(edit) I forgot to add a link to a site one of our fans put together a little while back trying to convince basically anyone at all that Missouri would be a good fit in the SEC. Mizzou2SEC

He posts as etherice over on Tigerboard, which I should warn may be a bit more raucous than you're used to here.
Jeff, thanks for the links. Just a word about our language policy. We pride ourselves on being a family board - one of the few out there - where even the kids can read without having to ask a parent what a four-letter word means. I haven't done more than glance at your board, but, if the language there doesn't meet our standards, we'll have to remove the links. Nothing against MU - links to some of the Bama boards get removed for the same reasons...
 

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Sorry. I just don't like it. Maybe if I knew more about your school, but it just seems to me it will take ya'll years to be competitive in the SEC football wise that is. I just like things to remain the same, but I guess it's going to happen rather I want it to or not.
Your point has validity to. The Big 12 North and South are like two different conferences imo, and as Missouri came from the much weaker North, they are in for a rude SEC awakening. Missouri's football program has to know that they might get pummeled for years. They would have to change their entire culture to compete against the top of the SEC in football. They will range somewhere between a good Kentucky football team of a few years ago and South Carolina.

They are used to competing with Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado and a weak Nebraska for the championship. Nebraska's departure made the schedule no harder than the WAC imo.
 
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Your point has validity to. The Big 12 North and South are like two different conferences imo, and as Missouri came from the much weaker North, they are in for a rude SEC awakening. Missouri's football program has to know that they might get pummeled for years. They would have to change their entire culture to compete against the top of the SEC in football. They will range somewhere between a good Kentucky football team of a few years ago and South Carolina.

They are used to competing with Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Colorado and a weak Nebraska for the championship. Nebraska's departure made the schedule no harder than the WAC imo.
I agree. And to be honest, I know nothing about their program, how good they recruit, etc. I've just seen what others have posted in this thread, which looks promising. I'm not saying MO will be bottom feeders in SEC football like a Vandy or the occasional Ole Miss/Miss. State, but IMO it will take them years to even nearly sniff the SECCG.

The SEC is a totally different animal.
 
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No one knows who is voting for what yet wrt SEC officials and MO, but I'm betting that the barn is voting for it (as they want to move east) and we're voting against it (as we don't want to lose one of our rivalry games).
 

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No one knows who is voting for what yet wrt SEC officials and MO, but I'm betting that the barn is voting for it (as they want to move east) and we're voting against it (as we don't want to lose one of our rivalry games).
Never thought I would ever say this, but I don't think I would have any problems giving up the Barn game. 7 yrs ago I would have said the same thing about Tennessee. CDD has cooled my hatred for Tennessee. If the Barn would get rid of Lowder, Hall, Dye, Trooper, and Luper my feelings about the Barn would cool down.
 

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Never thought I would ever say this, but I don't think I would have any problems giving up the Barn game. 7 yrs ago I would have said the same thing about Tennessee. CDD has cooled my hatred for Tennessee. If the Barn would get rid of Lowder, Hall, Dye, Trooper, and Luper my feelings about the Barn would cool down.
Yah, I don't care enough about the barn to care either way - UT has always been our #1 rival in my book (but then, I only lived in AL while attending UA - I didn't grow up dealing with the rivalry).

Just throwing out what I suspect is happening.
 

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I am a die-hard Mizzou fan/alum who has been living in Alabama for several years now. Can't tell you how excited I am to see us joining (hopefully) the SEC. Living here, I understand exactly why Mizzou seems so strange and unfamiliar to ya'll. SEC football is dominant in the Southeast and little else matters here.

For those of you who know little about it, I wanted to expand on Craig's thoughts and help in getting to know Mizzou Football. We are not a perennial powerhouse, our success is very recent. We did play some pretty good football through the 60's, 70's and early 80's. However, in between 1984-1996, we became a doormat of a program and it killed nearly a generation of Tiger football fans. This was in part to blame on an Administration at the time that wanted us to become the Harvard of the Midwest and did not support the athletic program and made it difficult to recruit and fund; hence we became a basketball school. That all changed briefly in 1997 and 1998 with the late HC Larry Smith who had two consecutive bowl seasons and ranked as high as #13 at one point. But just as the fan base started to wake up, Larry couldn't maintain it and we quickly fell off the map again.

Finally in 2001, the Gary Pinkel era began. It started out rocky and fans were pretty apathetic and hesitant to get their hopes up, but that all changed in 2002 when a young unknown, athletic kid named Brad Smith, exploded onto the scene against Illinois at the Dome in STL and while we only finished 5-7, you could sense some momentum. 2003 we won 8 games including a huge win over Neb at home but lost to Arkansas in the Indy bowl. 2004 was a terrible year, including a road loss to Troy and was a year that the whole thing almost came apart and sent Pinkel packing. But the Admin stuck with him and it's good thing they did. Since 2003 we have been to 7 bowls, won 10 or more games at least 3 times, spent at least part of 2007, 2008 and 2010 ranked in the top 10, including a week at #1 in 2007, which we finished #4.

Before 2007, we had very little success in getting players drafted, but since then, we have had ~20, including 5 first Rd draft picks in the past 3 yrs: DL Ziggy Hood (Steelers), WR Jeremy Maclin (Eagles), QB Blaine Gabbert (Jaguars), DE Aldon Smith (49ers), LB Sean Weatherspoon (Falcons). Other guys of note in the NFL from recent years are QB Chase Daniel, TE Chase Coffman, TE Martin Rucker, S William Moore, QB/WR Brad Smith, WR Denario Alexander, DE Justin Smith (1999).

On our current roster, we have several guys that have a future on Sundays at some point: WR/TE Michael Egnew (all american), WR Marcus Lucas, OT Dan Hoch, WR TJ Moe (Wes Welker type guy), LB Zavier Gooden, DT Dominique Hamilton, DT Sheldon Richardson, DE Kony Ealy. So I firmly believe on talent alone, we are a middle pack SEC team right now, but certainly not capable of beating LSU or Bama.

Bottom line, when I lived in Missouri in the 90's, people were very apathetic toward Mizzou football and attendance rarely broke 45k; basketball with Norm was king then. Now when I go back, even for Baylor 2 yrs ago, we draw 66k in Nov. Used to be hard to find Mizzou apparel in any department store, now it is all over the place. We ranked #18 in the most recent apparel rankings; certainly surprised me. We are program whose stock is rising and you definitely want to buy now because we are only going to get better. And being apart of the best football conference will only help to accelerate that.

Roll Tide and MIZ
 
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So,,,,,, I think the impact on the general public changes quite a bit when KS, IS, Colorado, etc... is replaced with a steady diet of FL, LSU, UA, GA etc.....
 

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CBS sports troller at bottom of page on DirecTV 613 says that while MooZoo has a majority amount of prez's approving them, they DO NOT have the needed majority, thus no invite.
 

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Travel for out other sports would suck, but honestly no.
I disagree, my Mizzou friend. Obviously the travel distance would pose a problem, but I think new teams in a conference have to pay a price. If that's the price of admission...

But you're right, there are probably many people who would have a problem with that. But the truth is, the East Coast is really not much farther away than parts of Texas we travel to now.
 

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Certainly if we go to the SEC and can't compete, fan enthusiasm will wain. And certainly more years than not, getting KSU, ISU, KU and CU on the schedule were cupcake wins, but remember, we also get/got a steady diet of Nebraska, OU, UT, A&M, Tech and Ok State. Not exactly pushovers most years.

However, I think we will hold our own in the SEC, but it will be tougher and we will have to continue to improve and recruit at a high level. Will be interesting to see how the divisions and cross division opponents shake out. Certainly, I like our chances with Vandy, UK, Ole Miss and Miss St. We have beaten Ole Miss (badly) twice in recent years. We beat A&M 30-9 last year in College Station, but return there again this year, and they may be a tough win to repeat.

My honest opinion is that LSU and Bama are the only two teams this year that we likely cannot beat home or away. I have watched Georgia play a few times and they are not the Georgia of past years right now. Neither is Auburn and Florida still hasn't recovered completely from Tebow. Those are games I think we could win at home, where our fans have proven to create a pretty tough environment for the big games on our schedule (OU, Neb). We just went to #1 OU 2 wks ago and were competitive. Unfortunately 2 missed FG's and an offensive slump in the 2nd Qtr did us in; we have a young QB who is still learning the ropes. A missed FG also robbed us of a win @ Arizona St. Place kicking, normally a strength for us, has hurt us quite abit this year.

But more than not, we are looking at .500 records in SEC conference play instead of the 5-3 or 6-2 seasons we have enjoyed in the Big 12. But we will have the occasional good year where we might get 9 or 10 wins. I think our 2007 squad for example, which beat Arky 38-7 in the Cotton, could have challenged for a division title in the SEC. Our 2008, 2009 and 2010 teams, not so much.

Pleasure chatting with you
 

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CBS sports troller at bottom of page on DirecTV 613 says that while MooZoo has a majority amount of prez's approving them, they DO NOT have the needed majority, thus no invite.

For the record, almost the exact same report came out about Texas A&M when they were in the limbo state that we are. I'm just sayin'...if you listen to the daily ESPN chatter, there will be times you'll be misled. But we'll see.
 

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CBS sports troller at bottom of page on DirecTV 613 says that while MooZoo has a majority amount of prez's approving them, they DO NOT have the needed majority, thus no invite.
I wouldn't pay much attention to that at this point. That's just part of the intra-conference negotiations...
 

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For the record, almost the exact same report came out about Texas A&M when they were in the limbo state that we are. I'm just sayin'...if you listen to the daily ESPN chatter, there will be times you'll be misled. But we'll see.
I just passed along what I saw for FYI. Take it and do what you might with it.
 

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